Part 1: the origin of chakra

[guts2nevergiveup]

The ninshu that that Rikudou created is from when he became the juubi's jinchuriki.

The fruit's chakra is stopped at Rikudou and his brother. After that the juubi's own chakra is what was handed down to the shinobi.

Very interesting, so you think that there are two different types of chakra completely. I would love to know what's your take regarding Obito and what do you think about the fruit?

 

[Antichrist]

Thanks for reading man!

I forgot about Danzo haha thank you for saying that. It would make more sense then, and also as to why he and orochimaru never succeeded in their experiments. Do you think that It's just a different type of chakra completely then?

I really don't know why they didn't succeeded . It is wired why madara was able to use hashirama's ( Moktone ) full power , and

orochi and danzo were failure . in my opinion I think madara was better than them , because of gedo mazo .

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I really don't know why they didn't succeeded . It is wired why madara was able to use hashirama's ( Moktone ) full power , and

orochi and danzo were failure . in my opinion I think madara was better than them , because of gedo mazo .

Well maybe the way they got it changed the outcome. We can assume but it was never explained how madara got it lol.

I'm gonna ask this question again though cause I would love to know what you thinko you think that It's just a different type of chakra completely then?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Great thread,it was a very interesting read.

 

[David1996]

Amazing as always Mr. guts !

 

[ANiMUS]

Very nice! Like I said I always love to hear what you have to say.

I like what you said about the shinju being like god and it being a vessel. I also agree with what you said about Hagoromo but he also said that Kaguya came from another land but then said that it didn't matter where she came from so Idk.

Do you think that the chakra of the fruit is so powerful that it imposes the will of the shinju on whoever gets it and is not able to control it?

I don't think it impresses the will of the Shinju into ppl, but I do think that is just a power that shouldn't be handled by mortals. Becuz of which I believe that it simply warps the minds of mortals who obtain the chakra of origin.

If the rinnengan is indeed a product of the chakra of origin then u could use Obito as an example of how he lost to even the power of just one rinnengan. I am toying with the theory of Kaguya's will also passing down to the Sage's son Indra through the Juubi. I also believe that it was Kaguya's will that saved Madara at the Valley of the End (his will and desires aligned with hers) and from that point on a portion of her will was active within Madara and this would explain why BZ was Kaguya's will and not Madara's

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Well maybe the way they got it changed the outcome. We can assume but it was never explained how madara got it lol.

I'm gonna ask this question again though cause I would love to know what you thinko you think that It's just a different type of chakra completely then?

I believe the reason Madara could use Hashirama's power and Orochimaru/Danzo could'nt is because he had Indra"s chakra.

 

[Antichrist]

Well maybe the way they got it changed the outcome. We can assume but it was never explained how madara got it lol.

I'm gonna ask this question again though cause I would love to know what you thinko you think that It's just a different type of chakra completely then?

I really don't know what do you mean by different chakra .

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I don't think it impresses the will of the Shinju into ppl, but I do think that is just a power that shouldn't be handled by mortals. Becuz of which I believe that it simply warps the minds of mortals who obtain the chakra of origin.

If the rinnengan is indeed a product of the chakra of origin then u could use Obito as an example of how he lost to even the power of just one rinnengan. I am toying with the theory of Kaguya's will also passing down to the Sage's son Indra through the Juubi. I also believe that it was Kaguya's will that saved Madara at the Valley of the End (his will and desires aligned with hers) and from that point on a portion of her will was active within Madara and this would explain why BZ was Kaguya's will and not Madara's

Once again man, very interesting. I was thinking something similar on how Madara survived. It would also explain why he thought he was the one who created BZ when actually it was kaguya's will and not his. I agree with what you said about Obito but do you think kaguya was affected by the power of the fruit even though Kaguya was said to have come from a different land and thus not being a mortal(I think haha)

Btw if you make a theory please let me know when it is done, I would love to see it

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I believe the reason Madara could use Hashirama's power and Orochimaru/Danzo could'nt is because he had Indra"s chakra.

How does that affect his ability to use hashirama's power though?

 

[Trance]

1- what you said about the fruit was very interesting , but we still don't have a prof if it was the origin .

2- you said you ( need to be a transmigration of ashura or indra and mix both of their powers together to unlock the rinnegan ) .

If this was true , I think this will be the reason why danzo couldn't awaken the rinnegan , because danzo had the the power of both uchiha and senju , and he also was old almost like madara . so maybe you are right about this .

He was no where near death tho?

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I really don't know what do you mean by different chakra .

Well since the beginning of part 1 in Naruto we have been introduced to chakra but the chakra that we are seeing right now from Sasuke, Naruto, and Madara are on another level lol (limbo for example his completely different than regular chakra which is why madara said no one should be able to see it) so I was wondering, do you think it is just because it is closer to it's origin or do you think it is just completely different. Hope that made sense haha

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

How does that affect his ability to use hashirama's power though?

My guess is because Indra and Ashura's chakra used to be part of a whole(the Sage),that's why Madara can use Hashirama's power to full effect while others paled in comparison.When both are brought together in one the user can use their chakra and unlock the Sage's power(Rinnegan).

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

My guess is because Indra and Ashura's chakra used to be part of a whole(the Sage),that's why Madara can use Hashirama's power to full effect while others paled in comparison.When both are brought together in one the user can use their chakra and unlock the Sage's power(Rinnegan).

Oh ok makes sense. It's possible. I'm guessing that would also be your explanation as to why Obito wasn't able to unlock the rinnegan himself during all this time. Again, it makes sense. Do you think that the sage's chakra is completely different than regular chakra then?

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Great thread,it was a very interesting read.

Thank you btw haha

 

[ANiMUS]

Once again man, very interesting. I was thinking something similar on how Madara survived. It would also explain why he thought he was the one who created BZ when actually it was kaguya's will and not his. I agree with what you said about Obito but do you think kaguya was affected by the power of the fruit even though Kaguya was said to have come from a different land and thus not being a mortal(I think haha)

Btw if you make a theory please let me know when it is done, I would love to see it

If u mean affected as in gave her the desire to put ppl in the trees with IT, I would say no becuz Kaguya intends on eating the Fruit again which was supposed to be a no no. I believe that before Kaguya came the Shinju was almost mindless just like the Juubi. At most I think it just warped her thinking and gave her a God complex.
Also, I probably won't do a theory on how Madara survived and if I do it will be short becuz there aren't many facts to go on. Oh, yeah I am pretty sure I sent u a link to my latest theory, did u get a chance to read it? If not its located in my signature

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

If u mean affected as in gave her the desire to put ppl in the trees with IT, I would say no becuz Kaguya intends on eating the Fruit again which was supposed to be a no no. I believe that before Kaguya came the Shinju was almost mindless just like the Juubi. At most I think it just warped her thinking and gave her a God complex.
Also, I probably won't do a theory on how Madara survived and if I do it will be short becuz there aren't many facts to go on. Oh, yeah I am pretty sure I sent u a link to my latest theory, did u get a chance to read it? If not its located in my signature

Ya I agree with the god complex that you are referring to and I believe Madara was similar.

And sh*t no I din't get a chance to read it yet, I've been busy and I forgot, i'mso sorry. I will definitely check it out!

 

[Antichrist]

Well since the beginning of part 1 in Naruto we have been introduced to chakra but the chakra that we are seeing right now from Sasuke, Naruto, and Madara are on another level lol (limbo for example his completely different than regular chakra which is why madara said no one should be able to see it) so I was wondering, do you think it is just because it is closer to it's origin or do you think it is just completely different. Hope that made sense haha

each MS has unique technique like the MS of ( obito , itachi , shisui ,......) , so here is my question ,

what is the unique technique of madara's MS ?

in my opinion it might be the ( limpo ) .

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Oh ok makes sense. It's possible. I'm guessing that would also be your explanation as to why Obito wasn't able to unlock the rinnegan himself during all this time. Again, it makes sense. Do you think that the sage's chakra is completely different than regular chakra then?

I believe so,look at what Sasuke and Naruto are able to do with just half of the Sage's power.It's on a whole different scale compared to what normal chakra is capable of.Before Naruto would'nt be able to restore someone's eye or save a person from certain death,and Sasuke is definitely stronger than what he used to be.

Both are products of the Sage's chakra which is very unique.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

each MS has unique technique like the MS of ( obito , itachi , shisui ,......) , so here is my question ,

what is the unique technique of madara's MS ?

in my opinion it might be the ( limpo ) .

Limbo is a Rinnegan tech,Madara's MS ability might have something to do with Yin chakra though considering his mastery of Susanoo.