Pain and Konan vs Kabuto

[Brother Numpsay]

A single Shinra Tensei can completely change the battlefield to favor Pain.

That would mean all other Pains body will shut down.

White Rage isn't doing anything against corpses, and Konan can turn her body to paper.

Yes it will, as Sound Genjutsu allow the corpses to respond to the Genjutsu, via stimulation, sight, and paralyses.

Paper can counter vibrations? Im not sure.

Shinra tensei > Muki tensei.

Not really. ST can destroy MT, but that wouldn't revert MT back to normal.

Nagato can disturb his chakra through the chakra rods to break them out of Tayuya's genjutsu.

I am iffy about this one. I see this plausible, but question why he didnt against Ma and Pa's. Ma and Pa's is stronger though, so.

Even if Konan dies, Naraka path revives her.

True, if Naraka is still alive

And Kabuto has no counter to Konan bombarding him with paper bombs, Asura path spamming missiles, or Nagato's pterodactyl flying from above and raining egg-bombs down on him.

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Chibaku tensei finishes him if nothing else. That's why I didn't restrict ET, to make this matchup fair.

(assuming all pains are done or shut down) Muki Tensei can be rearrange to platforms.

 

[Unorthodox]

muki tensei isnt controlling something as large as CT just dont see it happening gg kabuto

 

[Brother Numpsay]

muki tensei isnt controlling something as large as CT just dont see it happening gg kabuto

You dont see it happening does not matter. As Kabuto clearly had the will to control the whole battlefield he was in via the whole cave.

 

[shelke]

With Intel team one takes this. This orb of White Rage is blasted back with Shinra Tensai. Inorganic Transmigration will be a problem, as they are in a cave and since none of them have anything that even remotely matches Amaterasu's heat to destroy Natural Energy, it isn't reverting back. So their only hope is to use Bansho Tenin to pull or ST to Push him back to disrupt the use of NE to animate the environment.

They will stay on their toes though. However, Kabuto has Takuya's Sound Genjutsu as well. I take it back, Kabuto wins. His snake summons can be used on the pillars to keep him safe from ST and BT. Nakara Path is taken out by Blitzing and I cannot see what they do about Sound Four Member's webs, especially used within cool down period.

 

[Beans2]

That would mean all other Pains body will shut down.

Pretty sure Nagato can make his Shinra Tensei more focused than that if he so chooses (in his fight with Bee and Naruto, he used Shinra Tensei to deflect Bee's sword while he was standing on top of his flying pterodactyl. The pterodactyl wasn't pushed away at all, but the sword was.)

Yes it will, as Sound Genjutsu allow the corpses to respond to the Genjutsu, via stimulation, sight, and paralyses.
Paper can counter vibrations? Im not sure.

Preta path could absorb the light and sound. Nagato could destroy the dragon with the orb before it explodes with Asura Path or Shinra Tensei. Even if white rage does happen, Nagato knows exactly where Kabuto is without his vision:

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. Paper, I'm not so sure, but who cares if Konan dies? Naraka path :hooray:

Not really. ST can destroy MT, but that wouldn't revert MT back to normal.

Well, Nagato doesn't need it to revert back to normal. Nagato can use Katon if he wants it to though.

I am iffy about this one. I see this plausible, but question why he didnt against Ma and Pa's. Ma and Pa's is stronger though, so.

An alternative method would for Konan to cut herself with paper shuriken and break everyone out of genjutsu, just like Shikamaru broke his finger with his shadow to break out.

(assuming all pains are done or shut down) Muki Tensei can be rearrange to platforms.

Well...Muki Tensei on that level is really iffy...we know so little about the jutsu.

 

[VongolaX]

muki tensei isnt controlling something as large as CT just dont see it happening gg kabuto

Muki tensei controls all non-living things, which doesn't limit itself from CT.

Kabuto witness Madara summon two meteors, and he was still confident in his power.

Ct shouldn't be a problem...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Pretty sure Nagato can make his Shinra Tensei more focused than that if he so chooses (in his fight with Bee and Naruto, he used Shinra Tensei to deflect Bee's sword while he was standing on top of his flying pterodactyl. The pterodactyl wasn't pushed away at all, but the sword was.)

Nagato's body is superior the the ones he is transmitting chakra to its corpse.

Preta path could absorb the light and sound. Nagato could destroy the dragon with the orb before it explodes with Asura Path or Shinra Tensei. Even if white rage does happen, Nagato knows exactly where Kabuto is without his vision:

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. Paper, I'm not so sure, but who cares if Konan dies? Naraka path :hooray:

1.Light and Sound it not made out of chakra (only the dragon is),
2. The dragon knows how to maneuver, so it should be able to dodge, if not Kabuto can support the dragon
3. Pain bodies are not Nagato's body. Nagato's body can sense, not Pein.
4. Unless Naraka Path dies first.

Well, Nagato doesn't need it to revert back to normal. Nagato can use Katon if he wants it to though.

Then Kabuto can take advantage of the 5 sec rule. Katon does not equal Enton

An alternative method would for Konan to cut herself with paper shuriken and break everyone out of genjutsu, just like Shikamaru broke his finger with his shadow to break out.

She can't cut herself if she is paralyzed. Shikamau shadow doesn't need body movement to work.

Well...Muki Tensei on that level is really iffy...we know so little about the jutsu.

But we do know
1. It control the whole cave, which is wide itself.
2. We do know it works on anything inorganic, that he stated. CT picks up inorganic pieces, via rocks.

So its sufficient.

 

[Beans2]

Nagato's body is superior the the ones he is transmitting chakra to its corpse.



1.Light and Sound it not made out of chakra (only the dragon is),
2. The dragon knows how to maneuver, so it should be able to dodge, if not Kabuto can support the dragon
3. Pain bodies are not Nagato's body. Nagato's body can sense, not Pein.
4. Unless Naraka Path dies first.



Then Kabuto can take advantage of the 5 sec rule. Katon does not equal Enton




She can't cut herself if she is paralyzed. Shikamau shadow doesn't need body movement to work.



But we do know
1. It control the whole cave, which is wide itself.
2. We do know it works on anything inorganic, that he stated. CT picks up inorganic pieces, via rocks.

So its sufficient.

First off, Pain can use all the same jutsu as Nagato. That includes focused Shinra Tensei and sensing. Second, the dragon cannot maneuver while it's curling around the orb. It has to remain stationary while it does that. While it's curling around the orb, Preta path runs up to it and absorbs it. It doesn't matter anyway, since there is zero chance of Kabuto using White Rage, since Konan and Asura path bombard him with explosives from the very start, preventing him from going into Sage Mode. He needs edos to buy him time to go into SM. About Muki Tensei - it was specifically the heat from the flames that made the cave revert, all flames produce heat. Missiles and paper bombs can also demolish the cave, and the heat produced by them reverts Muki Tensei. Again, Kabuto won't be able to use Muki Tensei if he doesn't go into SM. Konan's paper style doesn't require movement either, she doesn't need to use handseals or body movement to control her paper, so Tayuya's genjutsu won't work. Chibaku Tensei won't even be necessary.

Bottom line - without Edos, Kabuto cannot buy himself enough time to go into SM. Asura path can spam missiles at him from the very beginning, and he has no counter to that. Konan can spam paper bombs at him. Bansho Tennin + Human path end Kabuto right off the bat. Liquidation and healing aren't helping against that. I've been wasting my time providing counters to White rage and Muki tensei because Kabuto isn't getting a chance to use those. Edo Tensei is absolutely necessary if Kabuto wishes to win this fight.

 

[schmeckie]

I think CT wins it, I doubt muki tensei would work on something mountain ranges big.

 

[Beans2]

Kabuto's edos would give him a hell of a time though. Zabuza's hidden mist would weaken the Rinnegan's link of vision. Mu's jinton would be especially problematic. There's the possibility his army simply overwhelms them.

 

[miromiro]

How so? (10 characters)

Kabuto summons Hashirama, Tobirama, Minato, Hiruzen, Third Raikage and that should be about enough for a stomp.

 

[eagle8]

team one wins mid diff.
it's kabuto not kakashi

 

[Beans2]

Kabuto summons Hashirama, Tobirama, Minato, Hiruzen, Third Raikage and that should be about enough for a stomp.

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Third Raikage is restricted and only Orochimaru can summon the edo hokages.

 

[miromiro]

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Third Raikage is restricted and only Orochimaru can summon the edo hokages.

Didn't see about the Third Raikage. Well, replace him with the 2nd Mizukage and Muu and should be about the same place. And the fact about Edo Hokages being able to be summoned only by Orochimaru is an assumption of yours only.

 

[Beans2]

Didn't see about the Third Raikage. Well, replace him with the 2nd Mizukage and Muu and should be about the same place. And the fact about Edo Hokages being able to be summoned only by Orochimaru is an assumption of yours only.

I hope you're trolling. Kabuto simply didn't have those edos at his disposal

 

[miromiro]

I hope you're trolling. Kabuto simply didn't have those edos at his disposal

What are you on about? This fight is not related to any Manga moment. It's simply based on feats. As long as he can use Edo Tensei, he can summon whoever he wishes.

 

[Hokage Jay]

Time for me to step in. Kabuto in the anime mentioned he couldn't summon Hashirama and other Hokages. Also Sasuke had revived Orochimaru so Oro can resurrect 1,2,3, and 4th Hokages. Only Oro can If Ik how to do that post thing I would

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Time for me to step in. Kabuto in the anime mentioned he couldn't summon Hashirama and other Hokages. Also Sasuke had revived Orochimaru so Oro can resurrect 1,2,3, and 4th Hokages. Only Oro can If Ik how to do that post thing I would

Unless the conditions states Kabuto can use Orochimaru's DNA from his belly, to summon the Edo, I dont see why not

 

[AGoodBoy]

Your post makes it seems like Konan can solo DSM Kabuto. Although I agree that Konan can survive most of Kabuto's attacks.

Kabuto should win with some edos though.

She's just underrated and the least discussed fighter. If i actually had to go into what pain could do, my post would be too long for my liking.

But anyway, it seems a lot of people thinks kabuto can win. Against pain alone, sure, but with konan as support, I don't think so myself, but i haven't read anyone's argument here for kabuto.

 

[Beans2]

What are you on about? This fight is not related to any Manga moment. It's simply based on feats. As long as he can use Edo Tensei, he can summon whoever he wishes.

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