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Pain VS Itachi.. Who Would Win?!?!?


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AnRoLegacy

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Pain is by far one of my fav characters but i have to go with Itachi. Yes 6 on 1 is a bit much but itachi is the second best Uchia ever (Madara being first... maybe izuna is second but we dont know much abt him so...). But yeah Itachi's Sasoono is like (how can i put this) invenciable.
 

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Itachi can seal all 6 bodies of Pain by just peircing them. His has Yata's Mirror as well that repels all attacks.

Stamina wise, Itachi loses but Pain cannot beat him without outlasting his Susano'o. Itachi isn't just any ordinary ninja either and he's a lot smarter than Jiraiya and Pain and just as strong in weakened and ill state.

So in the end, it all comes down to who your favourite is.
 

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tsukuyomi affects mind.the paths don't have minds so it will directly hits nagato.

Itachi can seal all 6 bodies of Pain by just peircing them. His has Yata's Mirror as well that repels all attacks.

Stamina wise, Itachi loses but Pain cannot beat him without outlasting his Susano'o. Itachi isn't just any ordinary ninja either and he's a lot smarter than Jiraiya and Pain and just as strong in weakened and ill state.

So in the end, it all comes down to who your favourite is.
i actually think that the sword doesn't suited to seal people.it only can seal monsters (like pain's summonnig etc)
 

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that manga isnt exactly official
lol... That's not officail at all. Rinnegan is stronger. We did not see all it's powers. Nagato had whole of his village under such a strong genjutsu that Ino's father needed to use his best to some info out of the mind of that shinobi Jiraiya had sent back.

And when Pain body used the same tech as Yamanaka clan on Shizune it didn't take it more than a moment to find out Naruto's location and he left Yamanaka clan guys gaping.

I think among all those strong blast people just forgot Nagato's genjutsu. Nagato could use all the techs and elements since age 10. Source- Manga.

And his stamina and speed is no less than Itachi. I wish Itachi and Nagato had the open dialogue when they were alive instead of dead- they would have taken care of Madara problem . lol... but then what would Sasuke and Naruto do?
 

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In my opinion Itachi would win because is smarter and only a sharingan user can defeat him. Beside Pain is too confident and stupid. itachi would figure it out where nagato is and take him out.
 

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Itachi wold have win.He would find nagato in no time and kill him. All you guys say that Tsukuyomi won't work on Pain, but did you ever thought that he would use genjutsu on Nagato?
 

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Itachi can seal all 6 bodies of Pain by just peircing them. His has Yata's Mirror as well that repels all attacks.

Stamina wise, Itachi loses but Pain cannot beat him without outlasting his Susano'o. Itachi isn't just any ordinary ninja either and he's a lot smarter than Jiraiya and Pain and just as strong in weakened and ill state.

So in the end, it all comes down to who your favourite is.



You may be right but watch '' itachi vs pain manga '' on youtube and convince yourself!
 

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Yeah Itachi's susano really good. But, I doubt he can sustain it for long.
you're right. In Sasuke's fight he did seem to spam Amaterasu and use a normal tsukiyomi on Sasuke on purpose. However, he had enough chakra in the beginning of the fight (even tho he was ill) to use Susano'o, kill Sasuke and live.


what i'm surprised about is the fact that he knew how to use all 3 MS techniques very well, especially Susano'o and Tsukiyomi so he must have practiced or trained with MS, plus he had his MS for how long? He managed to keep his eyes for years and Sasuke loses it in 3 fights. He was way stronger than he seemed.
 

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Pein and Itachi both use their strength and tactics well... I'd still go with Pein for sheer ruthlessness (Itachi is amazing... I just think Pein would do everything to achieve his goals and would've suceeded if Madara hadn't have been involved).
 

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1st of im a BIG itachi fan.... :D

this match-up is great, lets put it up part by part!!!!

Itachi = MS, tsukuyomi, amaterasu, susano'o w/ the shield and the sword
nagato "pain” = Rinnegan, 6 paths, shinra/bansho tensei, chibako tensei, gedomazo and its attack what ever you may call it...
conditions are, both at their prime and full power, both are not dying or sick,..the fallowing techniques that i have put against each other, is the most appropriate scenarios in my opinion..

tsukuyomi vs. 6 paths
tsukuyomi = disrupting your chakra, paralyzing your body putting you into an illusion, causing mental trauma that will render you unable to fight
6 paths = gravity manipulation, summonings, reading minds and reaping your soul if it touches you, absorbs all ninja technique, rocket attack, reanimation,... shared link of vision.
- I think only the paths will be affected not the controller or nagato,.. even so lets say all of them can be affected lets not disregard nagato as the akatsuki leader, he knew itachi’s tech, so to say he has the experience or the knowledge of fighting a genjutsu or a sharingan user..
what if two of the 6 paths fight with their eyes closed or three of them? He would still have 4 or 3 sets of vision, that is linked and those that had their eyes closed attack as front liners, makes sense right? Visualize , see it? Katon is no good cause of the absorbent man, taijutsu is no good to cause of the path that can take your soul, the summoning path may have released summons already or if not how cares itachi is already outnumbered ..
I don’t think genjutsu is pains weakness, jman was never a genjutsu user type of a shinobi, nagato knows this, it was ma and pa toad that uses genjutsu, leaving nagato off guard, and you cant compare the two genjutsus because the genjutsu the toad used was like a nuce where any other that would hear it would be immobilized at the same time, while itachis tsukoyomi is a one target at a time kind of genjutsu. Itachi’s case against nagato is a different story. Itachi is a member of the uchiha clan known for their ocular powers and genjutsu as one of their specialty. So yeah if jman was a trouble for itachi and kisame as itachi said him self after the konoha invasion what more can be said? Bottom line, nagato knows how to fight itachi’s genjutsu.

Amaterasu vs. shinra/ bansho tensei
The inextinguishable flame against shinra tensie’s gravity manipulation and repels all kinds of ninja technique,… is amaterasu a ninja technique? Ok, and don’t say its inextinguishable, yes it is but shinra tensei will only repel it NOT extinguish it…

Now my favorite Susano’o vs. chibako tensei
Susano’o w/ the sword and the shield my favorite technique in naruto world, an armor like cloak with its impenetrable defense and the shield that deflects all kinds of attack and the sword that has no shape, by piercing through the enemy can seal their souls..
Chibako tensei the technique that was said to be used by the SO6P to create the moon using a black sphere of gravity that when thrown, attracts all objects from all direction pulls them into the sphere and compress them together. Leaving the juubi stuck in it..
Can susano’o withstand the gravitational pull of the chibako? As my favorite technique hell yeah it can but for how long ? resisting this kind of force requires massive chakra, adding up the chakra used to make susano’o and amaterasu unless itachi is a jinchuriki he would have that much chakra but his not and it will end up draining his chakra and BOOM gedomazo appears!!!!!

As a fan of itachi I wouldn’t want to say this but itachi will be out matched from experience to technique to chakra level,.. nagato’s only weakness is that he was easily manipulated by madara because of his hate for the grate nations specially konoha,…
 

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good points but there are some errors

1). Itachi nor Kisame claimed Jiraiya was too much for them to handle. Itachi just left and Kisame even asked him why running was necessary for "him". Anime has different dialogs and often differs from the manga.
2). Itachi doesn't use only ocular jutsus. He's a genjutsu specialist and probably the best genjutsu user in Naruto. We've seen him cast a genjutsu by pointing a single finger. We know that he can cast these genjutsus on more than one person at a time. In fact, we know that he can cast it on several people over a long range distance according to Ao and Shikaku.
3). Itachi seemed to know about Nagato's Rinnegan too as we saw from the recent chapters. Pain was actually the one calling Itachi the true shinobi hidden in darkness. Pain is brute strength but Itachi has intelligence in addition to strength.
4). Yata's Mirror changes its property in order to adapt and repel attacks, I think it can counter Chibakou Tensei. As for Gedo Mazo, it can be sealed.

Itachi is able to seal Pain's paths but Pain can probably outlast him. Itachi was super smart though :). Don't get me wrong, Pain is one of my fav characters too but this match up is just too extreme.

Nagato's weakness was his real body. Madara controlled him but that didn't make him weak.
 
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ask yourself this:

why didn't pain attacked konoha when itachi's still alive?
and don't tell me that he wasn't there to capture the kyuubi yet.
(he had his own grudge against konoha)
 
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Correct me if I am wrong but genjutsu doesn't work on a body whose chakra is being rapidly changing.Wondering whether tsukiyomi would work on Pain whose dead bodies are being fed with chakra from a distant source.

One question What is susanoo made up of?Chakra or something else?
 
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