Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
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SaskeyUchihahahaTard
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
last time i check base naruto shrugged it like a shit.
last time i check base naruto shrugged it like a shit.
Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
at bringing up Itachi as if anyone cares.
TBS are composed of natural energy. They are a KKT comprised of bijuu chakra and all elements. They aren't comprised of NE not to mention. Juubito was using onmyoudon.
at bringing up Itachi as if anyone cares. "By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth." Your whole argument debunked.
So where is the proof it feels pain?
Debunked.
Wrong. Mokuton is brings the trees and ground to life it is almost the same as muki tensei. Much more comparable to the technique than shadow clone jutsu.
That didn't stop it from screeching in agonizing pain. A normal fire jutsu would never accomplish the same feat.
Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
So glad you made the thread!
Look at the pitifully illiterate lobby thronging this thread left and right. No body cares about your opinions. Databook has made it clear what I stated ages ago: Amaterasu saps and destroys Natural Energy. Both of Kabuto's prime Dragon Sage Mode attacks are nothing but pure Natural Energy. Not Senjutsu, not Chakra, but nothing but Natural Energy.
Here is what the Databook IV has to say about them:
It is not out of the world anyways, as Amaterasu is known to affect all Chakra types, all elements - haven't seen Earth - and eats through them at a fast pace. If it didn't affect the armour, then 1) it isn't made of chakra, and 2) Amaterasu was never focused on it.
That Naruto's scan and the decoy, then again the illiteracy of this base shows:
1- Sasuke's eye was done at that point: both Kurama and Sasuke confirm it that his eye powers had weakened. That's two characters whose opinion holds water compared to the worthless shots in the dark from the usual lobby.
2- Show me a page where Naruto deflected that pitiful Amaterasu that was running on weakened powers? Wait, the cloak went with it as Amaterasu can not be extinguished unless it doesn't burn its own chakra out or the chakra of the target.
There you have it folks. Natural Energy's weakness is Amaterasu. I'll gladly take the opinions of the author over the idiotic claims of this base that leaves no stone unturned to downplay Sasuke's feats.
The cave was alive how? Because NE was used to give life to it - Databook IV. How did it die? Because the life inside it was extinguished. The alive-cave returned to being just a cave, because the life inside it was killed. One doesn't have to be Aristotle to see the sense in this.
No body cares about your level of comprehension or opinions as both of Kabuto's DSM techniques use nothing but pure Natural Energy. Intangible my ass. What does that even mean in regards to this technique?
God, NB, always stupid. Always!
So glad you made the thread!
Look at the pitifully illiterate lobby thronging this thread left and right. No body cares about your opinions. Databook has made it clear what I stated ages ago: Amaterasu saps and destroys Natural Energy. Both of Kabuto's prime Dragon Sage Mode attacks are nothing but pure Natural Energy. Not Senjutsu, not Chakra, but nothing but Natural Energy.
Here is what the Databook IV has to say about them:
Viz Translation of the Dialogue:
The cave was alive how? Because NE was used to give life to it - Databook IV. How did it die? Because the life inside it was extinguished. The alive-cave returned to being just a cave, because the life inside it was killed. One doesn't have to be Aristotle to see the sense in this.
It is not out of the world anyways, as Amaterasu is known to affect all Chakra types, all elements - haven't seen Earth - and eats through them at a fast pace. If it didn't affect the armour, then 1) it isn't made of chakra, and 2) Amaterasu was never focused on it.
That Naruto's scan and the decoy, then again the illiteracy of this base shows:
1- Sasuke's eye was done at that point: both Kurama and Sasuke confirm it that his eye powers had weakened. That's two characters whose opinion holds water compared to the worthless shots in the dark from the usual lobby.
2- Show me a page where Naruto deflected that pitiful Amaterasu that was running on weakened powers? Wait, the cloak went with it as Amaterasu can not be extinguished unless it doesn't burn its own chakra out or the chakra of the target.
There you have it folks. Natural Energy's weakness is Amaterasu. I'll gladly take the opinions of the author over the idiotic claims of this base that leaves no stone unturned to downplay Sasuke's feats.
You are either a grade A illiterate or quite dimwitted or both, just like the rest of the posters in denial in this thread. Show me any technique that cancels NE once it has been used. I'll wait.
The cave was alive how? Because NE was used to give life to it - Databook IV. How did it die? Because the life inside it was extinguished. The alive-cave returned to being just a cave, because the life inside it was killed. One doesn't have to be Aristotle to see the sense in this.
No body cares about your level of comprehension or opinions as both of Kabuto's DSM techniques use nothing but pure Natural Energy. Intangible my ass. What does that even mean in regards to this technique?
God, NB, always stupid. Always!
ComplexCity
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
I still see nothing but conjecture and made up fan fiction. With my gf. Will reply in depth when I get homeTBS are composed of natural energy. They are a KKT comprised of bijuu chakra and all elements. They aren't comprised of NE not to mention. Juubito was using onmyoudon.
"By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth." Your whole argument debunked.
So where is the proof it feels pain?
Debunked.
Wrong. Mokuton is brings the trees and ground to life it is almost the same as muki tensei. Much more comparable to the technique than shadow clone jutsu.
That didn't stop it from screeching in agonizing pain. A normal fire jutsu would never accomplish the same feat.
ComplexCity
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
2. Disregard the pain part. Conjecture on my part, still doesn't refute the heat reverted, not the sapping of NE I can show scans backing my facts. Can you show me a scan of NE ever being sapped?
3. Not debunked still waiting for a manga scan to back your silly fanfic
4. Mokuton is wood style when has it been ever been use to control the ground? Mokuton is a KKG AND controlled by Hashis chakara and Muki Tensei uses NE to bring the cave to life, what is your reasoning for bringing up Mokuton anyway?
It's not my fault you can't comprhend comparisons. The whole example trying to be made is that when a tech that has more power than a Kage Bunshin over powers it, then the kage bunshin goes poof. There is no chakara that is sapped You have next to no proof that it can sap NE. I'm still waiting for a manga scan stating or showing specifically when the NE was sapped
5. Because it was a living beast, what can't you comprehend? And that's speculation on your part that a Katon wouldnt work. In fact, Amateratsu is nothing but a Katon according to the DB
1. Nothing is debunked as I stated everything the DB said. Stop grasping at straws. Muki Tensei is a Senjutsu that uses NE to make the cave come alive. Doesn't help your point about NE being sappedTBS are composed of natural energy. They are a KKT comprised of bijuu chakra and all elements. They aren't comprised of NE not to mention. Juubito was using onmyoudon.
"By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth." Your whole argument debunked.
So where is the proof it feels pain?
Debunked.
Wrong. Mokuton is brings the trees and ground to life it is almost the same as muki tensei. Much more comparable to the technique than shadow clone jutsu.
That didn't stop it from screeching in agonizing pain. A normal fire jutsu would never accomplish the same feat.
2. Disregard the pain part. Conjecture on my part, still doesn't refute the heat reverted, not the sapping of NE I can show scans backing my facts. Can you show me a scan of NE ever being sapped?
3. Not debunked still waiting for a manga scan to back your silly fanfic
4. Mokuton is wood style when has it been ever been use to control the ground? Mokuton is a KKG AND controlled by Hashis chakara and Muki Tensei uses NE to bring the cave to life, what is your reasoning for bringing up Mokuton anyway?
It's not my fault you can't comprhend comparisons. The whole example trying to be made is that when a tech that has more power than a Kage Bunshin over powers it, then the kage bunshin goes poof. There is no chakara that is sapped You have next to no proof that it can sap NE. I'm still waiting for a manga scan stating or showing specifically when the NE was sapped
5. Because it was a living beast, what can't you comprehend? And that's speculation on your part that a Katon wouldnt work. In fact, Amateratsu is nothing but a Katon according to the DB
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
I disagree however this is a great read and your arguements are all backed up by manga so to me this is a great thread weather i agree with it or not. i dont think enton is greater than narute energy however you built a great case as to while you believe it is. ***** five stars dood
I disagree however this is a great read and your arguements are all backed up by manga so to me this is a great thread weather i agree with it or not. i dont think enton is greater than narute energy however you built a great case as to while you believe it is. ***** five stars dood
Da Best Ever
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
Killer bee in his bijuu transformation was screaming like a ***** from being burnt and the juubi obviously was in pain from the flames if not it would have hurried and she'd that part of its body and the juubi spawns were incinerated as well.
To Whatever
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
You think Ama takes significant power away from a NE enhanced Tailed Beast bomb? Not trying to ask a loaded question. Yes or No suffices.
You think Ama takes significant power away from a NE enhanced Tailed Beast bomb? Not trying to ask a loaded question. Yes or No suffices.
TrollingSage
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
Wow Sasukebase is full of idiots. Shelke and Dantee are surprisingly idiotic. The scan quite clearly states in no uncertain terms that the cave reverted because of the "heat" of amaterasu. There was no mention of amaterasu's made up ability to nullify natural energy. It's all baseless conjecture. I don't know y'all trolling or you're actually that stupid or perhaps you're so obsessed with Sasuke that you throw away or common sense and logical thought.
Wow Sasukebase is full of idiots. Shelke and Dantee are surprisingly idiotic. The scan quite clearly states in no uncertain terms that the cave reverted because of the "heat" of amaterasu. There was no mention of amaterasu's made up ability to nullify natural energy. It's all baseless conjecture. I don't know y'all trolling or you're actually that stupid or perhaps you're so obsessed with Sasuke that you throw away or common sense and logical thought.
Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
Databook:
By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth.
Viz:
Kabuto: "The greatest offensive ocular jutsu can also be the greatest defense. It's so hot the cave's gone back to being a cave."
Databook:
By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth.
Viz:
Kabuto: "This jutsu brings the unliving to life and allows me to control them. It's different from a jutsu that simply manipulates with chakra... A bit extreme, don't you think?"
The cave is only alive because Kabuto is manipulating it. It doesn't
still in denial it seems.
Databook:
By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth.
Viz:
Kabuto: "The greatest offensive ocular jutsu can also be the greatest defense. It's so hot the cave's gone back to being a cave."
Databook:
By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth.
Viz:
Kabuto: "This jutsu brings the unliving to life and allows me to control them. It's different from a jutsu that simply manipulates with chakra... A bit extreme, don't you think?"
Only wanted to bring up a jutsu that was much more comparable to Muki Tensei than a shadow clone. Seeing as both techniques brings things to life at a fast rate.
Indeed that would happen against a shadow clone because it's only a clone of the user. Anything that would logically hurt the user would hurt the clone as well. A cave and a shadow clone are nothing alike.
Amaterasu is the highest ranking jutsu it easily trumps all katons. My proof is still sound.
The cave is only alive because Kabuto is manipulating it. It doesn't
Lmao says the trolling sage. I bet your posts are full of factual statements. Maybe if you actually read the thread you can make a proper retort next time.
why are you so obsessive. aren't you someones alt.
Thank you. thanks for reading.
ComplexCity
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
What you and Dantee seem to not grasp is that nobody is refuting that Amateratsu reverted the cave, but the way it did it is fallacious. It doesn't matter how many times you post the Viz and DB entry, they don't help your arguments
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Or the heat from Amateratsu was so intense it overpowered the cave and forced it to revert back into a cave.
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Yet it did not eat through Gaaras sand.
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Nice buttpulled fanfic on your part. It's funny how you try and make up stuff about Amateratsu and believe it's hype to support your fallacious conjecture and falliable logic. But then when it fails to meet your standards you make up bullcrap that doesn't even make sense. For one who is so superb at Science I'm flabbergasted that you're even posting this nonsense
1. Amateratsu was stated to burn as hot as the sun (obvious hyperbole) yet could not burn metal? You yourself stated that it burns through quickly now it's different because it's metal?
2. Amateratsu cannot work without the eye being focused, that's how Amateratsu works. Every time it has been used, it has been focused on a target. The Raikage was his target, he was fast enough to move out of Sasuke's point of focus and the samurai became the new point of focus seeing as he was the next thing in line of Sasuke (concentrated) vision.
Your fanfic that it didn't burn in my first point because it wasn't chakara is disregarded due to the DB and the manga backing the fact that it burns a target once focused. Amateratsu burned a hole through the giant toad's insides and that isn't made of chakra
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Yet he made Enton and combined it with Chidori
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Don't know how many times I have to go through this with you. Amateratsu has canoically been extinguished many different times
- Jiraya sealed it
- Nagato dispelled it
- Madara absorbed it
They are also several different feats in the manga that can also extinguish Amateratsu such as
- Gakido
- Sealing jutsu
- Truth Seeking Balls integrated with Omyudon
- Kamui
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Why? Because you're twisting the manga to fit your logic? No sorry buddy it don't work like that, I've still failed to see where your so called scans and statements are backing up this conjecture. NE is intangible and cannot be touched, smelled, heard, tasted or seen (unless you have Sage mode or the Sage's chakra). Nature Energy has shown to be absorbed into the body, never held physically. The only idiotic claim being made is you and Dantee thinking NE can be destroyed and not even having a manga scan to back it up
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Intangibilty has a lot to do with why you claim is fallacious for the simple fact that cannot be reacted to. Dantee made the comparison of NE to air and since air fuels fire (Amateratsu), then it can effect NE. Unbeknownst to him, NE and Air share none of the same properties except the fact that they are intangible. Kabuto's DSM techniques are produced by his Sage chakra (indicated by Senpou: Muki Tensei. Databook even says it's Senjutsu or did your selective reading allow your eyes to skip that?), the process in the cave coming alive is done by him giving off NE to the cave, still takes his Sage chakra to do so.
In the example I gave to Dantee, I stated that producing Shadow Clones and Muki Tensei are similar because
1. They both use a source of an external factor that powers their techniques (Naruto splitting his chakra with Kage Bunshin and Kabuto using NE within the cave to make it come alive.
2. They are both living things
Now when a Kage Bunshin is destroyed and overpowered by a technique that is more powerful than the KB itself, is the chakra sapped? It's quite obvious that when a texhinque ceases to exist, then the source of whatever was powering that technique ceases to exist as well, that is
just common sense. The cave obviously lost the NE after it reverted, but was not reverted because NE was sapped.
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What you and Dantee seem to not grasp is that nobody is refuting that Amateratsu reverted the cave, but the way it did it is fallacious. It doesn't matter how many times you post the Viz and DB entry, they don't help your arguments
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Or the heat from Amateratsu was so intense it overpowered the cave and forced it to revert back into a cave.
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Yet it did not eat through Gaaras sand.
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Nice buttpulled fanfic on your part. It's funny how you try and make up stuff about Amateratsu and believe it's hype to support your fallacious conjecture and falliable logic. But then when it fails to meet your standards you make up bullcrap that doesn't even make sense. For one who is so superb at Science I'm flabbergasted that you're even posting this nonsense
1. Amateratsu was stated to burn as hot as the sun (obvious hyperbole) yet could not burn metal? You yourself stated that it burns through quickly now it's different because it's metal?
2. Amateratsu cannot work without the eye being focused, that's how Amateratsu works. Every time it has been used, it has been focused on a target. The Raikage was his target, he was fast enough to move out of Sasuke's point of focus and the samurai became the new point of focus seeing as he was the next thing in line of Sasuke (concentrated) vision.
Your fanfic that it didn't burn in my first point because it wasn't chakara is disregarded due to the DB and the manga backing the fact that it burns a target once focused. Amateratsu burned a hole through the giant toad's insides and that isn't made of chakra
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Yet he made Enton and combined it with Chidori
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Don't know how many times I have to go through this with you. Amateratsu has canoically been extinguished many different times
- Jiraya sealed it
- Nagato dispelled it
- Madara absorbed it
They are also several different feats in the manga that can also extinguish Amateratsu such as
- Gakido
- Sealing jutsu
- Truth Seeking Balls integrated with Omyudon
- Kamui
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Why? Because you're twisting the manga to fit your logic? No sorry buddy it don't work like that, I've still failed to see where your so called scans and statements are backing up this conjecture. NE is intangible and cannot be touched, smelled, heard, tasted or seen (unless you have Sage mode or the Sage's chakra). Nature Energy has shown to be absorbed into the body, never held physically. The only idiotic claim being made is you and Dantee thinking NE can be destroyed and not even having a manga scan to back it up
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Intangibilty has a lot to do with why you claim is fallacious for the simple fact that cannot be reacted to. Dantee made the comparison of NE to air and since air fuels fire (Amateratsu), then it can effect NE. Unbeknownst to him, NE and Air share none of the same properties except the fact that they are intangible. Kabuto's DSM techniques are produced by his Sage chakra (indicated by Senpou: Muki Tensei. Databook even says it's Senjutsu or did your selective reading allow your eyes to skip that?), the process in the cave coming alive is done by him giving off NE to the cave, still takes his Sage chakra to do so.
In the example I gave to Dantee, I stated that producing Shadow Clones and Muki Tensei are similar because
1. They both use a source of an external factor that powers their techniques (Naruto splitting his chakra with Kage Bunshin and Kabuto using NE within the cave to make it come alive.
2. They are both living things
Now when a Kage Bunshin is destroyed and overpowered by a technique that is more powerful than the KB itself, is the chakra sapped? It's quite obvious that when a texhinque ceases to exist, then the source of whatever was powering that technique ceases to exist as well, that is
just common sense. The cave obviously lost the NE after it reverted, but was not reverted because NE was sapped.
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ComplexCity
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
1. Ok, can you indicate what in this sentence indicates that Amateratsu sapped NE? Because if anything
Viz:
Kabuto: "The greatest offensive ocular jutsu can also be the greatest defense. It's so hot the cave's gone back to being a cave."
The bold supports my statement
2. Scan of Mokuton bringing anything to life or BS. Shadow clones are alive, so what are you even talking about?
3. See post 1
4. And you still can't comprehend? What is it that you're not getting? They are comparable because they are both alive
5. No you're wrong, the cave is alive because Kabuto gave it NE, not because he was controlling it. Once again, Amateratsu is Katon herp derp :sdo:
1. Ok, can you indicate what in this sentence indicates that Amateratsu sapped NE? Because if anything
Viz:
Kabuto: "The greatest offensive ocular jutsu can also be the greatest defense. It's so hot the cave's gone back to being a cave."
The bold supports my statement
2. Scan of Mokuton bringing anything to life or BS. Shadow clones are alive, so what are you even talking about?
3. See post 1
4. And you still can't comprehend? What is it that you're not getting? They are comparable because they are both alive
5. No you're wrong, the cave is alive because Kabuto gave it NE, not because he was controlling it. Once again, Amateratsu is Katon herp derp :sdo:
Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)
Doesn't matter, you must have the ability to absorb NE to form TBS in the first place. Baseless conjecture on your part. XD The only reason you dismiss Itachi is because you know he makes Sasuke's feats with ama look silly.TBS are composed of natural energy. They are a KKT comprised of bijuu chakra and all elements. They aren't comprised of NE not to mention. Juubito was using onmyoudon.
