[Game] Our loved Mangakas and their masterpieces Mafia Game #19

[Just_Red]

^ no reads I mean.
(You have posted some substance)*

 

[mothbomb]

I think scum is in sage, naomi, alice areas

 

[mothbomb]

im also not playing as well as some other folks here tho. Not used to such an active gamr

 

[Ansatsuken]

Is this a confession?

All_Red asked me to explain my META so I just fulfilled her request eventhough I think it should be the job of other player to understand player's META and explain it to other player what he/she understand about that player's playing style. That's the situation it should be and more logical. META(playing style) of a player is for other player to evaluate. I guess you should already know this.

And as you have asked AR to tell you about my META and then AR asked me about my META so I shared it with both of you as per AR's request.

But if you really curious about my META just check all my previous games in AB. Take your time.

 

[mothbomb]

like I dont have a whole lot of reasoning as to why naomi, sage or noodle are scum.

just inactivity

 

[mothbomb]

since Elmage is here.
@Elmage G Ace what are your currnet reads. You've posted and disapeared just as fast. Havent posted anything of acutal opnion or substance.

What is up with this post

 

[mothbomb]

oh wait theres like 3 more days in this phase isnt there

 

[Elmage G Ace]

since Elmage is here.
@Elmage G Ace what are your currnet reads. You've posted and disapeared just as fast. Havent posted anything of acutal opnion or substance.

Like I said, I do more of observations DP1, it's just a little unusual for me that this DP is long >_>

That being said, I think @Ansatsuken @TheLukundo @LanMisa @mothbomb may be town, null reads on the rest really. But this list will change shortly I think. I also want to see more from @SoulKiller if he's not too busy, if he's town then that would be good for us, I've only played one game with him as serial killer though, besides, my style of play don't rely on past experience (except I've played with the person at least 5 times)

I basically have to go through my target's posts assuming I'm the one playing as him, the try to come up with possible reasons for his/her posts, it's quite difficult DP1 because the information is limited, but let's see how this DP goes, I may have a scum for towns soon

 

[TheLukundo]

Hello

 

[TheLukundo]

ISO on RED:

Entrance Stage:
I count as entrance, the first hour someone spends into the game, often a singular post that indicates the mood and motivation of a player on a superficial view. As a civillian you mostly want to get compliments during an entrance or have someone react to you, let's see how RED performed at this:

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Phase one, the "laughter":
Red wasted 3 posts within atleast a 12 minute time frame, this is indicated as a "Complex".
Complexes can mean anything at this point, the best thing would a direct confrontation with @All_Red to clearly state why.
All in all this left no impressions a civillian should leave.

Phase two, the "connection":
Following the entrance of a game a player, especially a civillian will try to connect with people.
We have a double turn basically here, where Red refers to my point against Misas entrance and brings it up to have Misa pressure voted.

Following that she was rather carefully posting, this can be normal after going into agression.
Red basically took what I served and went for it with agression, one could say this could be staged by me and Red, but I can tell you I am also confused about this agression.

Following that I once said that I feel Red is playing out of place, this is where it started.
Is it a good indicator? We will see.


Dynamic Stage:
In the DS of the Day One a Civillian is supposed to create dynamics and serve reads for fellow civillian players, also this is where the "Inquisition Stage" starts off. This phase holds aslong as no wagons has been settled. Let's see what Red is doing after the Entrance:

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tbh Red serves a childish playstyle, but I don't see her overacting herself, she has freeminded statements and this leads her into complimenting a proactive "wall-"post by Poison Chan out of gut. Poison Chan was a good target and in the end, a read is a read and she served one. Do I see any suspicious scum dynamics? A bad scum throws bad suspicion or bad town reads, a good scum brings details to the table that can be malicious, a civillian just tries to sell their mind and Red is not carrying scum indicating aspects with her at this point.

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Red distances herself from the "Wagon and Evaluation Stage" and it is a logical point to consider in this DP, a timeframe to make ISOs (my example rn). Red was pretty careful at some parts of her entrance, she reflects that carefulness in that statement = Consistency! (good indicator)

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Again back to the topic "Out of Place". This can be seen here, Red is indeed worrying about why people neg reading her, and this indeed is the most crumbling aspect of her DP at this point. You can see she tries to play town and at this point I emphasize the "try" and a possible disappointment in her being read as scum, indicating that she adapted a civ mindset upon her recent approaches. Jumping on the Luku/Ansa topic is a good thing, since Luku jumped on Ansa and Ansa received neg reads. Bad timing, but Red was probably cornered at that point and hence the out of place post #181 .
How scummy it really is? I can't tell at this point.

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Red you owe me really after this, and I mean really.

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I served my reads and dynamics, and I shift to my own evaluation stage here because I see the necessity for town in this and to generate a good lynch towards EoD. (if not answered, a town read of mine were you and now I basically deliver my promised Red ISO to @LanMisa before moving on.

Above we see a cooldown play by Red and it is understandable after delivering an play out of place.
Opening a dynamic towards me, which is always a friendly indicator, even after being scum read and out of place she keeps up. It is a good indicator within this mess.

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Finally another mess where Red jumps on Misa.
This is OMGUS behaviour basically, since Misa always had a doubt on Red, I feel, else this discussion wouldn't had lead to this point, problem was that Misa received some town reads at this point and was quite in a green bracket for most people, which was the worst part of her play and she basically admits it in the end which leads to an unvote.
Yes could be compensating an uncareful scum move in the end and is a bad indicator in all this mess and it contradicts the careful playstyle Red partially adapted since the entrance and it is a mayor consistency-break.
I made this ISO for an hour now and I don't know how far I catched up but this has to be justified.

As conclusion the break at the end was not good and a bad indicator, all in all she adapted an obvious civillian playstyle and didn't leak enough to justify her as scum. Her votes are just engager and not anything to solidify a wagon or create heavy burst against town. I don't smell those intentions tbh.

She is a strong civ read or a really really leaky scum, and this what I doubt, but I leave it open for those who want to use my ISO for a counter thesis. I wanna stand to my thesis that she is a town that made quite transparent misplays.

I can't detail into posts, as this would cost me another hour lol.
Please I beg others to do an ISO on a random person and deliver some hungry personas something to evaluate.

Nice, Rej!

 

[TheLukundo]

@TheLukundo after going through Ansa's posts, I think what he's doing is consistent with how he usually plays, I'm giving him a town lean for now, but that could change anytime (as early as my next post ._.)

Because it's still too early? We should be focused on scum hunting

Good point!

Interesting interaction between AllRed and Lan

Smh

 

[Ansatsuken]

like I dont have a whole lot of reasoning as to why naomi, sage or noodle are scum.

just inactivity

Yeah we already have a couple of experiences(previous games) where inactive or passive player being Scum. Never rule out the possibility.

 

[Rej]

I think scum is in sage, naomi, alice areas

tbh I will sign this one, this are gut leans I have too, first time it seems I agree with you in something in this DP

 

[LanMisa]

I feel like this is one of the games where the scum team isn't extremely strong (bar possibly one member) and the key to winning is to kill the weaker and/or less active scum before the weaker and/or less active town need to take over since we others were killed during the night, So while I do think that lynching there has a good chance of hitting I also think that it has a good chance of missing.

On the other hand, if we identify the one higher-posting wolf and get them killed this phase the rest of the game should be a matter of finding a towncore and then mercilessly lynching outside of it. That is my take at least.

 

[LanMisa]

All_Red asked me to explain my META so I just fulfilled her request eventhough I think it should be the job of other player to understand player's META and explain it to other player what he/she understand about that player's playing style. That's the situation it should be and more logical. META(playing style) of a player is for other player to evaluate. I guess you should already know this.

And as you have asked AR to tell you about my META and then AR asked me about my META so I shared it with both of you as per AR's request.

But if you really curious about my META just check all my previous games in AB. Take your time.

By the way, out of curiosity, is there a reason you highlight META so much? To show it's an acronym, or...?

 

[Rej]

Like I said, I do more of observations DP1, it's just a little unusual for me that this DP is long >_>

That being said, I think @Ansatsuken @TheLukundo @LanMisa @mothbomb may be town, null reads on the rest really. But this list will change shortly I think. I also want to see more from @SoulKiller if he's not too busy, if he's town then that would be good for us, I've only played one game with him as serial killer though, besides, my style of play don't rely on past experience (except I've played with the person at least 5 times)

I basically have to go through my target's posts assuming I'm the one playing as him, the try to come up with possible reasons for his/her posts, it's quite difficult DP1 because the information is limited, but let's see how this DP goes, I may have a scum for towns soon

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We need evaluation, A simple townread ISO is the easiest, scum gutreads are always welcome and are harming noone, only yourself if done crappy.

 

[LanMisa]

I also need to go through that wall of Rej's but I do lean them town for now. Can't be bothered shortly before going to bed though.

 

[LanMisa]

Like I said, I do more of observations DP1, it's just a little unusual for me that this DP is long >_>

That being said, I think @Ansatsuken @TheLukundo @LanMisa @mothbomb may be town, null reads on the rest really. But this list will change shortly I think. I also want to see more from @SoulKiller if he's not too busy, if he's town then that would be good for us, I've only played one game with him as serial killer though, besides, my style of play don't rely on past experience (except I've played with the person at least 5 times)

I basically have to go through my target's posts assuming I'm the one playing as him, the try to come up with possible reasons for his/her posts, it's quite difficult DP1 because the information is limited, but let's see how this DP goes, I may have a scum for towns soon

That is quite reasonable, I would advise against the wishful thinking though. I know that I myself are somebody who suffers from that constantly but I also know that this is my biggest weakness holding me back.

Ace can be town for now.

 

[Ansatsuken]

By the way, out of curiosity, is there a reason you highlight META so much? To show it's an acronym, or...?

Haha...I just like to highlight acronym and 'special' word.

 

[LanMisa]

im also not playing as well as some other folks here tho. Not used to such an active gamr

Need to play more Light games on MU. Although even these feel fast-paced compared to this, no? Also, with your busy days coming ahead this might be for the best ultimately.