Orochimaru vs. Pain

[FloriGlori]

Lol, this a tough match but if pain uses the rinnegan he might win,if not he will lose.

Ehm, Pain always uses the Rinnegan, he can't use anything else. :b
But yes, I agree, Edo Tensei nothing but an extremely powerfull Kuchyose, so I don't see anything 'unfair' about it.

 

[lanakau888]

Only way oro will win is with edo tensei, but even then pain can soul rip in 3 different ways, trap the edos in chibaku tensei, or stab them and control them with his chakra rods.

 

[Shinozgr8]

OROCHIMARU is like...no other ninja...if you don't use genjutsu on him...theres no way you can win...point blank. pain got his tale whooped against 4 tails naruto. orochimaru went head to head...in his WEAKENED state. orochimaru wins this, hands down.

 

[Tosen]

OROCHIMARU is like...no other ninja...if you don't use genjutsu on him...theres no way you can win...point blank. pain got his tale whooped against 4 tails naruto. orochimaru went head to head...in his WEAKENED state. orochimaru wins this, hands down.

LOL WTF

Pain in his weakened state with only one puppet left went head to head with 6-8 tailed kyuubi Naruto, while oro was getting laid out by 4 tailed kyuubi.

Do the math xd

Has for the topic Pain would crush Oro with ease.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Edo Tensei is Oro's only chance but his edo tensei is so stupidly slow that its annoying so Pain can kill him before he puts Kunai in their heads and after putting kunai, there's still a waiting period before they start to look normal and start to attack. Pain can kill them before this hopelessly long process is over and seal oro too. All he needs is bansho ten'n and human paths ability. he could also kill Oro before he summons them in the first place with bansho ten'n and human paths ability.

 

[khaydz5]

Actually we can't say that, since we haven't seen much of him yet. What we saw was that even Mifune was able to keep up with him.


I think you're slightly underestimating Orochimaru's snakes. They're way bigger than any of Pain's creatures, moreover Pain would/could never summon all of them at the same time. They would stand in each others ways and would be more of a disadvantage than an advantage in that case. In addition Orochimaru's snakes are pretty robust - Pain's centipedes died by explosive seals & a punch from Sakura, whereas the smaller snake Sasuke used in to protect himself from Deidara even survived two of Deidara's clay bombs. They also can skin and dig in themselves.


As I said, even the small snake Sasuke used to protect himself didn't take heavy injuries from Deidara's clay bombs, so I don't think that Shurado's attacks would work against Orochimaru's huge snakes. He could destroy the smaller ones though, like Sen'ei Jashu, that's true.


Pain didn't stand out with notable speed or Taijutsu as far as I know. He was on Naruto's level without sennin modo, which is nothing special. Anyway, getting too close to Orochimaru is actually pretty dangerous, since he use Sen'ei Jashu or Jagei Jabaku any time to bind & kill a body. That makes it hard to hit him with chakra rods. Even if Pain would hit him with them once ir twice, or kill him another way (what I definitely don't doubt), there's that monstrous reincarnation Jutsu, which he can use to undo any kind of physical damage. While fighting Kyuubi he used it three times, so you could say he has four lives.


I'm not quite sure about that. Orochimaru is pretty robust, too. Tsunade literally beat him up with her brute strentgh, but he couldn't be killed. Naruto shredded his face & hurled him into tthe forest, but Orochimaru just laughed and acted like nothing happened. Even as Kyuubi ripped him appart he could put himself back together. Orochimaru is persistent, so I doubt that a few Shinra Tenseis are enough to defeat him. The other bodies aren't that much of a threat. Even Konohamaru managed to kill Jigokudo, and if it wasn't for Tendo Naruto would've beaten Pain alone. Tendo is the most dangerous part about Pain.


Well, we never saw Orochimaro getting exhaustet. But you're right, Pain's/Nagato's imense amount of Chakra is incredible, that can't be doubt.

As before, I neither think Orochimaru would win, nor do I think Pain would, but I think that Orochimaru has chances against Pain, and he definitely wouldn't be just crushed like a fly.

1. pain did summon all of his creatures during konoha invation. all have shared vision. pain is in a huge advantage if he summons it all.

2. small bombs wouldn't hurt sure.. but lasers I don;t think so..since its from so6p technique you can't assume it just have a normal fire power.

3. 6 vs 1 I don't think anyone can match 6 paths of pain vs taijutsu. naruto was able to eliminate some because of kagebunshin and sage mode. jiraiya was able to kill 3 but later on was revived because of special frog genjutsu.

4. even if oro has this insane recovery, revival jutsus I don't think he can use any of those if his soul would be separated from his body. human realm = instant kill for anyone.

5. you're forgetting nagato can revive all of his paths aswell.

6. konohamaru didn't KILL Jigokudo, read manga again.

7. all of pain's body are threat. you just don't know what each of them are capable of.

8. oro maybe hard to kill, but he doesn't have any jutsu that can kill pain.

oro will just be like a punching bag for pain

 

[Hei]

pain'll kill oro easily
only need chubaki tensei and orochimaru will be dead

 

[khaydz5]

Read my first post, I'm talking about the six paths, not Nagato in person. Yes, I made a mistake there, it's supposed to be 'Orochimaru would crush him like.. six flys'. Oh, Orochimaru didn't lost. In fact he called his battle with Kyuubi nothing but a game. And do you thinkt that Pain would've been able to defeat the four tailed Naruto? If even Pian's strongest technique shows no effect?

Leau, it still would be, since Edo Tensei is a Ninjutsu. Otherwise we could simply forbid every Kuchyose. And just that you say even Itachi could defeat him shows me how 'much' you know about Naruto. Itachi is one of the most powerful Shinobi out there and at Pain's/Nagato's level, but that's another discussion. Apart from that he defeated Orochimaru with Genjutsu, something that Pain can't or don't use.

One more time, it's supposed to be 'Orochimaru would crush him like.. six flys', NOT 'Pain would crush him like.. six flys'.

are you kidding? 4 tails' chakra will just get absorb if naruto use that against pain, while oro can't do anything to 4tails except to endure all of its attack.

 

[Nocturne]

if pain fights alone and orochimaru fights with full potential thn it will b a tough figt but i guess pain will win...although orochi's my fav. evil man as u can see from the dp...xD

 

[FloriGlori]

khaydz5.

1. Yes, he used all of them to destroy Konoha. But using them all together to attack a single person would a 100% end in a total chaos. There's a reason why Chikoshudo didn't call of them to attack Naruto, even though he battlefield was huge.

2. That doesn't matter. First of all Deidara's clay bombs are the total opposite of small bombs, especially in the case I was talking about. I'd recommend you to read the Manga again.

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page should be proof enough. Consider that this was only a small snake. Shurado's missiles hadn't that kind of power and were easily avoided by Jiraiya and Kakashi. The laser inside his head can only be used on close range, and we don't know anything about the 'canon' Nagato was about to use against Bee. Neither about it's range, nor about it's precission.

3. Yes, considering that Orochimaru is way more skilled than Naruto and stronger then Jiraiya, he'd manage to kill at least three of them. But Orochimaru can use his reincarnation; at the moment Jiraiya lost his arm the battle was a good as decided, Orochimaru would simply have renewed himself in that situation.

4. Yes, that's true. But to do rip out Orochimaru's soul Ningendo has to manage to get close to Orochimaru. As I said, that's pretty dangerous, thanks to Orochimaru's snakes. Even if Ningendo would manage to 'get a hold' of Oro's soul, he still had enough time to kill Ningendo; for examply by spitting Kusanagi at him, like he did it with Sai's bunshin. Even Nagato needed a good amount of time to ripe out Naruto's soul, though he was said to use the techniques faster than Pain did. So I don't see a real problem in here.

5. No, I'm not forgetting that. But Pain's revival can be stopped by 'simply' killing Jigokudo. Pain's reincarnation is not as handy as Orochimaru's.

6. It doesn't matter if he killed him or not, fact is that he defeated him.

7. Oh, I know that pretty well. Jigokudo is no threat. The only thing he does is reviving the other bodys. Gakido isn't a threat either, at least not for Orochimaru. Orochimaru's snake-based Ninjutsu can't be absorbed, and in close combat he's can use nothing but Taijutsu. He had to flee from Kiba & his mother. Ningendo isn't that much of a threat either, since he has to get really close. Orochimaru could avoid his soul being ripped out, like I already said above.

8. Sorry, but that's wrong. Kusanagi would be dangerous for Pain, as well as Edo Tensei. Since Orochimaru's summonings can dig in themseles, they'd pose a threat, too. His snake techniques can also be pretty dangerous, since it's nearly impossible to dodge them while being in the air or close to Orochimaru. Even if not, they'd at least be a good distraction, since Mandara no Jin totally blocks the sight on Orochimaru.

9. Definitely not, since Pain can't use the paths as fast as Nagato can. In addition Hachibi's chakra is weaker than Kyuubis. Since didn't even Chibaku Tensei could hurt him, Pain would lose against a four-tailed Naruto.

 

[khaydz5]

khaydz5.

1. Yes, he used all of them to destroy Konoha. But using them all together to attack a single person would a 100% end in a total chaos. There's a reason why Chikoshudo didn't call of them to attack Naruto, even though he battlefield was huge.

2. That doesn't matter. First of all Deidara's clay bombs are the total opposite of small bombs, especially in the case I was talking about. I'd recommend you to read the Manga again.

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page should be proof enough. Consider that this was only a small snake. Shurado's missiles hadn't that kind of power and were easily avoided by Jiraiya and Kakashi. The laser inside his head can only be used on close range, and we don't know anything about the 'canon' Nagato was about to use against Bee. Neither about it's range, nor about it's precission.

3. Yes, considering that Orochimaru is way more skilled than Naruto and stronger then Jiraiya, he'd manage to kill at least three of them. But Orochimaru can use his reincarnation; at the moment Jiraiya lost his arm the battle was a good as decided, Orochimaru would simply have renewed himself in that situation.

4. Yes, that's true. But to do rip out Orochimaru's soul Ningendo has to manage to get close to Orochimaru. As I said, that's pretty dangerous, thanks to Orochimaru's snakes. Even if Ningendo would manage to 'get a hold' of Oro's soul, he still had enough time to kill Ningendo; for examply by spitting Kusanagi at him, like he did it with Sai's bunshin. Even Nagato needed a good amount of time to ripe out Naruto's soul, though he was said to use the techniques faster than Pain did. So I don't see a real problem in here.

5. No, I'm not forgetting that. But Pain's revival can be stopped by 'simply' killing Jigokudo. Pain's reincarnation is not as handy as Orochimaru's.

6. It doesn't matter if he killed him or not, fact is that he defeated him.

7. Oh, I know that pretty well. Jigokudo is no threat. The only thing he does is reviving the other bodys. Gakido isn't a threat either, at least not for Orochimaru. Orochimaru's snake-based Ninjutsu can't be absorbed, and in close combat he's can use nothing but Taijutsu. He had to flee from Kiba & his mother. Ningendo isn't that much of a threat either, since he has to get really close. Orochimaru could avoid his soul being ripped out, like I already said above.

8. Sorry, but that's wrong. Kusanagi would be dangerous for Pain, as well as Edo Tensei. Since Orochimaru's summonings can dig in themseles, they'd pose a threat, too. His snake techniques can also be pretty dangerous, since it's nearly impossible to dodge them while being in the air or close to Orochimaru. Even if not, they'd at least be a good distraction, since Mandara no Jin totally blocks the sight on Orochimaru.

9. Definitely not, since Pain can't use the paths as fast as Nagato can. In addition Hachibi's chakra is weaker than Kyuubis. Since didn't even Chibaku Tensei could hurt him, Pain would lose against a four-tailed Naruto.

1. pain's summon aren't dumb to focus on a small target, pain's summon would battle oro summons.. getting what I mean? think pls..

2. exactly you don't know anything about the canon, but kabuto will fire it to a jinchuuriki. he must've known how powerful it is. because of asura's missle jiraiya's arm was cut even if he's in sage mode. even of that snake can block some of pains attack, he cannot block all attacks, one hit from pain's chakra rods, oro will have chakra control issue.

3. again, oro doesn't have sage mode/kagebunshin/frog genjutsu. he doesn't have anything from his arsenal to defeat most of the paths.

4. again, pain's path works together in harmony. it is when all of them work together they are most fatal. thats why pain is always in an advantage when using six paths. for example, bansho tenin to pull oro near human path. kusanagi is just a physical weapon, last time I check pain's path can still move even if crushed. example asura path. human path rips soul fast, see konoha invasion.

5. I suggest you should review manga. nagato himself can revive anyone.

6. he was just able to disable him via rasengan. after that they were summon back. still jikogudo was alive and kicking.

7. the fat pain can absorb chakra in close range combat. he just needs to hold oro, or any part of him.. jigokudo is the most lethal path coz with him around pain's path will just be summon back again and again. asura path's weapon can cut snake's head. you're not getting it, pain's major advantage is within numbers. more paths = more combo = more problem.

8. again, summons woould be busy against pain summons.. oro will be fighting the 6 paths. any snake/weapon that will be spit out = shinra tensei. kusanagi is not an exception. seriously, you're talking about distraction against pain? with 10+ sets of eyes watching you.lol

9. I just lost my respect to you on what you said here.lol. a weakend god realm was able to fight head to head with 6 tails and was able to trap 8 tails. 4 tails will just get owned, specially if naraka path is around. I suggest you read manga again, nagato with his own unhealthy body was able to endure/suck chakra from killer bee in his hachibi v2.

again you have to realize, this is not oro vs 1 path at a time. its 6vs1 all at the same time.

 

[Disquiet]

Pain would win

 

[siyo]

Ehm, Pain always uses the Rinnegan, he can't use anything else. :b
But yes, I agree, Edo Tensei nothing but an extremely powerfull Kuchyose, so I don't see anything 'unfair' about it.

sarcasm, hence why the word rinnnegan is bold.I was referring to how people don't consider edo tensei part of oro's power.

 

[DevonV]

khaydz5.

1. Yes, he used all of them to destroy Konoha. But using them all together to attack a single person would a 100% end in a total chaos. There's a reason why Chikoshudo didn't call of them to attack Naruto, even though he battlefield was huge.

2. That doesn't matter. First of all Deidara's clay bombs are the total opposite of small bombs, especially in the case I was talking about. I'd recommend you to read the Manga again.

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,

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page should be proof enough. Consider that this was only a small snake. Shurado's missiles hadn't that kind of power and were easily avoided by Jiraiya and Kakashi. The laser inside his head can only be used on close range, and we don't know anything about the 'canon' Nagato was about to use against Bee. Neither about it's range, nor about it's precission.

3. Yes, considering that Orochimaru is way more skilled than Naruto and stronger then Jiraiya, he'd manage to kill at least three of them. But Orochimaru can use his reincarnation; at the moment Jiraiya lost his arm the battle was a good as decided, Orochimaru would simply have renewed himself in that situation.

4. Yes, that's true. But to do rip out Orochimaru's soul Ningendo has to manage to get close to Orochimaru. As I said, that's pretty dangerous, thanks to Orochimaru's snakes. Even if Ningendo would manage to 'get a hold' of Oro's soul, he still had enough time to kill Ningendo; for examply by spitting Kusanagi at him, like he did it with Sai's bunshin. Even Nagato needed a good amount of time to ripe out Naruto's soul, though he was said to use the techniques faster than Pain did. So I don't see a real problem in here.

5. No, I'm not forgetting that. But Pain's revival can be stopped by 'simply' killing Jigokudo. Pain's reincarnation is not as handy as Orochimaru's.

6. It doesn't matter if he killed him or not, fact is that he defeated him.

7. Oh, I know that pretty well. Jigokudo is no threat. The only thing he does is reviving the other bodys. Gakido isn't a threat either, at least not for Orochimaru. Orochimaru's snake-based Ninjutsu can't be absorbed, and in close combat he's can use nothing but Taijutsu. He had to flee from Kiba & his mother. Ningendo isn't that much of a threat either, since he has to get really close. Orochimaru could avoid his soul being ripped out, like I already said above.

8. Sorry, but that's wrong. Kusanagi would be dangerous for Pain, as well as Edo Tensei. Since Orochimaru's summonings can dig in themseles, they'd pose a threat, too. His snake techniques can also be pretty dangerous, since it's nearly impossible to dodge them while being in the air or close to Orochimaru. Even if not, they'd at least be a good distraction, since Mandara no Jin totally blocks the sight on Orochimaru.

9. Definitely not, since Pain can't use the paths as fast as Nagato can. In addition Hachibi's chakra is weaker than Kyuubis. Since didn't even Chibaku Tensei could hurt him, Pain would lose against a four-tailed Naruto.

This pulse Orochimaru is able to merge himself with objects just like Tobi

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[Rozzy]

Orochimaru would lose but with his edo tenei of the 1st and 2nd hokage he would definetly be able to hold his ground. Pain would struggle to beat him

 

[khaydz5]

This pulse Orochimaru is able to merge himself with objects just like Tobi

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I have given my points to counter that, and the poster didn't replly thus means accepting defeat. and that page doesn't give oro any advantage, pain would just bansho tenin his butt out of it.

 

[DevonV]

I have given my points to counter that, and the poster didn't replly thus means accepting defeat. and that page doesn't give oro any advantage, pain would just bansho tenin his butt out of it.

What Poster? :shrug:
And i don't think that bansho tensi would work and if it did orochimaru could use the sword kusanagi to stab him as he is being pulled in.

 

[khaydz5]

What Poster? :shrug:
And i don't think that bansho tensi would work and if it did orochimaru could use the sword kusanagi to stab him as he is being pulled in.

yeah right stab tendou then human path will rip his soul out.

 

[DevonV]

yeah right stab tendou then human path will rip his soul out.

How is he suppose to do that if Orochimaru if moving?

 

[arv993]

no edo is a loss for oro but edos like hashirama and tobirama and oro vs pain is a win for oro. if u consider edo tensei then oro wins but if not oro would lose badly.