Orochimaru vs MS Sasuke.

[HNIC]

Uh huh. Which shows superior prowess in genjutsu.

Which shows that no matter how "superior" one may be, the mechanics to breaking genjutsu is the same. That is unless we're talking about tsukoyomi

 

[Haizaki]

Link me where Sasuke used tsukoyomi and I dint mean a mistranslation.

He trapped Danzo in it

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and here Danzo said compared the length of their Tsukoymi's

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Not to mention:

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Orochimaru can't counter it.

 

[HNIC]

He trapped Danzo in it

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and here Danzo said compared the length of their Tsukoymi's

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Orochimaru can't counter it.

You either took the out of context or it could be interpreted different ways. He said "compared to" Itachi's genjutsu prowess, referring to his most powerful genjutsu, Sasuke is whim. He didn't state "comparing your tsukoyomi to Itachi's." It doesnt necessarily imply Sasike possess the ability. If it's in question it can't be used as fact. However, even if he does we can't compare it to Itachi's, especially when Orochimaru candidly resisted Itachi's binding genjutsu to a degree.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Snakes useless against fire based Jutsu? They easily counter fire based ninjutsu, hence they ability to shed their skin. This is manga fact.

I'm talking about Formation of 10,000 snakes, and Many Hidden/Hidden Shadow Snake Hands. Those snakes are small in comparison to the scale of Sasuke's katon and amaterasu. If it's a large snake summon? Sure, you got me there, but it doesn't change the outcome, as they still get placed under genjutsu or killed by Susano'o.

 

[Haizaki]

You either took the out of context or it could be interpreted different ways. He said "compared to" Itachi's genjutsu prowess, referring to his most powerful genjutsu, Sasuke is whim. He didn't state "comparing your tsukoyomi to Itachi's." It doesnt necessarily imply Sasike possess the ability. If it's in question it can't be used as fact. However, even if he does we can't compare it to Itachi's, especially when Orochimaru candidly resisted Itachi's binding genjutsu to a degree.

So we have Danzo randomly calling out Tsukoymi but decides to compare it to a basic Sharingan Genjutsu? He said compared to "Tsukoyomi" where did you get Genjutsu prowess from?

Not to mention, I'd still have a point if you're denying it because Itachi's eye techniques were transferred to Sasuke as I've already shown in that screenshot with Obito (Very Clear)..if you're saying Sasuke didn't use Tsukoyomi, then that's very good since his Basic MS Genjutsu could trap someone with soo many Sharingans. That kisses Oro's chances of doing so goodbye since Sasuke's Basic MS(according to you) is pretty much stronger than his 3T and Oro hasn't shown feats that he can counter any MS Genjutsu.

Oro countering a Basic 3T Genjutsu means he can counter Tsukoyomi? Not a chance since you need to be an Uchiha to do so. Even if Sasuke's Tsukoyomi is weaker, there's no way Oro is breaking out as long as it's Tsukoyomi.

 

[Unorthodox]

Hebi sasuke wins this

 

[ARGUS]

Any MS user would clown orochimaru

 

[Nattana]

Any MS user would clown orochimaru

Yeah... no.

 

[HNIC]

I'm talking about Formation of 10,000 snakes, and Many Hidden/Hidden Shadow Snake Hands. Those snakes are small in comparison to the scale of Sasuke's katon and amaterasu. If it's a large snake summon? Sure, you got me there, but it doesn't change the outcome, as they still get placed under genjutsu or killed by Susano'o.

Unless Sasuke has finger genjutsu, Manda and or larger snakes could blind their sight and use their sensing ability. Sasuke said this would be an issue, the reason he began studying snakes.

Sasuke's katon isn't larger enough to kill 10,000 snakes. But point taken.

 

[Sin of Wrath]

Hebi sasuke push itachi to high diff itachi neg diff oro twice do the math. MS sasuke destroys enton blitz shunshin gg. Genjutsu rapes kirin rapes. Susanoo arrow blitz rofl.

try again

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[Amaterasu]

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He didn't even need to dispel/release it. He simply pushed it away.

Genjutsu is useless here.

He still lost, and he didn't get the eyes, so BS argument

 

[HNIC]

So we have Danzo randomly calling out Tsukoymi but decides to compare it to a basic Sharingan Genjutsu? He said compared to "Tsukoyomi" where did you get Genjutsu prowess from?

Not to mention, I'd still have a point if you're denying it because Itachi's eye techniques were transferred to Sasuke as I've already shown in that screenshot with Obito (Very Clear)..if you're saying Sasuke didn't use Tsukoyomi, then that's very good since his Basic MS Genjutsu could trap someone with soo many Sharingans. That kisses Oro's chances of doing so goodbye since Sasuke's Basic MS(according to you) is pretty much stronger than his 3T and Oro hasn't shown feats that he can counter any MS Genjutsu.

Oro countering a Basic 3T Genjutsu means he can counter Tsukoyomi? Not a chance since you need to be an Uchiha to do so. Even if Sasuke's Tsukoyomi is weaker, there's no way Oro is breaking out as long as it's Tsukoyomi.

Tsukoyomi could only be broken out by a uchiha, Damzi did this successfully. Therefore, Sasuke ether used simple gnejutsu, imitating the likes of tsukoyomi OR it's just that weak.

With that being said, it can potentially be countered.

 

[Nattana]

He still lost, and he didn't get the eyes, so BS argument

Orochimaru had no killing intent and was literally on his deathbed. Even then he negged Sasuke's Sharingan Genjutsu.

 

[Amaterasu]

Orochimaru had no killing intent and was literally on his deathbed. Even then he negged Sasuke's Sharingan Genjutsu.

No killing intent ? He wanted to take his body even if it would have been brutal

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Unless Sasuke has finger genjutsu, Manda and or larger snakes could blind their sight and use their sensing ability. Sasuke said this would be an issue, the reason he began studying snakes.

Sasuke's katon isn't larger enough to kill 10,000 snakes. But point taken.

Sasuke has some decent feats of utilizing genjutsu, like putting Danzō under an illusion without him noticing and using it to counter C4 (I know Deidara knew that he was going to use genjutsu, but that isn't the point). Furthermore, he summoned and placed Manda under genjutsu in quick succession while he was about to be blown to bits by C0. Point is, Sasuke has the ability to put any snake summon under genjutsu immediately and dispose of them quickly before they're broken out, or before they blind their sight.

Sasuke's Fire Dragon jutsu that he used to heat up the sky to prep Kirin is enough to kill 10,000 relatively small snakes

 

[Haizaki]

Tsukoyomi could only be broken out by a uchiha, Damzi did this successfully. Therefore, Sasuke ether used simple gnejutsu, imitating the likes of tsukoyomi OR it's just that weak.

With that being said, it can potentially be countered.

You do make a lot of sense coming to think...Though my second point would then come into play if this is the case which means Orochimaru stands no chance of countering Tsukoyomi as that was a Basic MS Genjutsu against Danzo

Then again, the intent was for Sasuke to kill him in the real world as he rushed towards him..Danzo was actually trapped like he said but still had his cursed seal placed on Sasuke which disrupted Sasuke considering he was totally restricted.

 

[Draegod]

Lol Orochimaru only countered 3T Genjutsu..When you have legit feats he can counter Tsukoyomi which is on a different level, come back and say it's useless lol.

OT: Sasuke takes this...That Susanoo arrow though.

Sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi bro. Lol

 

[Haizaki]

Sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi bro. Lol

How though? Itachi transferred all his eye techniques to Sasuke like Obito said in that screenshot I showed.

 

[Nattana]

How though? Itachi transferred all his eye techniques to Sasuke like Obito said in that screenshot I showed.

And how in the world does Obito know what Itachi did? He only based his statement on Sasuke using Amaterasu.

Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi because he never had it to begin with.

 

[Haizaki]

And how in the world does Obito know what Itachi did? He only based his statement on Sasuke using Amaterasu.

Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi because he never had it to begin with.

None of our business, MANGA STATES all eye techniques were transferred at that point so how he knew is none of our concern as long as it was stated.

He said ALL were transferred so the chances you're bringing up are irrelevant..It's MANGA FACT already. He even did say "Somehow Itachi transferred it" which means he didn't know what Itachi did but he knew Itachi somehow transferred this techniques to Sasuke. If it was just Amaterasu, then he'd have referred to that alone..But he says ALL which indicates to us that it happened. How he knew is irrelevant and not a case. Not to mention he had Zetsu watch the fight..Anyways, all irrelevant.

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