Orochimaru vs Minato

[KidGamer65]

I used that to illustrate that survival of decapitation is possible in the manga. You compare regular humans to Orochimaru is laughable, especially if that's the premise of your argument. Orochimaru has survived being sliced and diced and has regenerated on every account. You claim is desperate and holds no evidence. So, we can either get past this decapitation back and forth and move on, or we can keep going. I have the time today.

What snake like characteristics HASNT he shown? That's what I've asked.

Not made up. Show me a physical attack that killed. Otherwise, my point remains because that's what we've witnessed. Stop it.

Naruto barely blocked? What did you observed? We didn't even see the contact made between the two. Him being tossed doesn't indicate the block be delayed, but rather him unable to withstand the force.

No, what we witnessed was wind gust+visual effect playing its part. Whenever Minato uses ftg, wind gust occurs at both points. There's NOTHING in the scan indicating that Minato physically tossed the kunia. No denying fact, when it wasn't shown in the manga. There's confounds that can very well explain why the kunia remained mid-air

Not really. Nothing implies he can survive an injury of that level thus there is no arguing that he does. Simple as that.

The ones you are giving him, such as being able to survive decapitation.

Doesn't take a genius to realize how little sense your line of argumentation is. There is no ability he possesses that makes him impossible to kill with physical attacks. Whether he's been killed by one or not is irrelevant. Hashirama hasn't been killed by physical attacks. By your logic physical attacks can't kill him because we haven't witnessed it. :lol Spare me the nonsense.

If Naruto made a proper guard he wouldn't have been tossed to the ground. If Naruto could do more than block and get tossed to the ground, he would've as his goal is to defeat and seal Madara. Not let Madara slap him around like a rag doll.

All you are doing is making stuff up. There is no wind. There is no gust. Minato flicked his Kunai which is why it went from a lower elevation to a higher elevation. Wind or gust created from his jutsu, even if it existed which it doesn't, would blow the Kunai away in a straight line. Not up towards Ay's position.

Don't reply to me if this is how you are going to argue.

Orochimaru survived two assaults that result in the same damage as decapitation with the only exception being the skin was still holding the head together.

A) [

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] - multiple Chakra Scalpel hits taken to the throat - destroying his spinal cord and mutilating all veins and internal stuff. Pretty much equivalent to decapitation, hell, even more brutal and destructive.

B) [

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] - taking a massive hit straight through his spinal cord = death in normal circumstances, pretty much equivalent to decapitation. And nothing happened, Orochimaru laughed it off.

C) Now I assume you will try to say "ok, but with head being separated from the rest of his body he will not be able to do anything" here's a proof it's not a problem. [

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] Orochimaru gets bisected, so his lower body part was separated from his brain and he still managed to control both body parts, even though they were not connected to one another.

No, what is the bold based on? Maybe if he cut all the way through you could argue this. All you see is his throat ripped apart and a lot of blood. Nothing to lead you to the conclusion that his spinal cord was severed. And in what universe is taking a giant sword through the chest the same as decapitation? Because of the severing of the spinal cord? Lmfao. Tsunade survived the same exact thing. Her spinal cord being run through by Madara's Susanoo blades. Are you going to argue that she survives if someone cuts her head off? No, you won't. Because she can't. Tsunade was split in half. Are you going to argue that she survives decapitation? No, you won't. Because it doesn't make sense. So it wouldn't make sense for her.

And that isn't Orochimaru controlling both body parts. That's snakes coming from both halves to reform the original. How do you know that Orochimaru is controlling the snakes? All snakes we've seen from him have their own mind, obviously, as they are living creatures.

Those injuries leading to death doesn't equate them to the lethality of decapitation. At least you are supporting your claims with evidence though. Something that seems to be beyond blazekev's capabilities. :lol

 

[Nattana]

Not really. Nothing implies he can survive an injury of that level thus there is no arguing that he does. Simple as that.

The ones you are giving him, such as being able to survive decapitation.

Doesn't take a genius to realize how little sense your line of argumentation is. There is no ability he possesses that makes him impossible to kill with physical attacks. Whether he's been killed by one or not is irrelevant. Hashirama hasn't been killed by physical attacks. By your logic physical attacks can't kill him because we haven't witnessed it. :lol Spare me the nonsense.

If Naruto made a proper guard he wouldn't have been tossed to the ground. If Naruto could do more than block and get tossed to the ground, he would've as his goal is to defeat and seal Madara. Not let Madara slap him around like a rag doll.

All you are doing is making stuff up. There is no wind. There is no gust. Minato flicked his Kunai which is why it went from a lower elevation to a higher elevation. Wind or gust created from his jutsu, even if it existed which it doesn't, would blow the Kunai away in a straight line. Not up towards Ay's position.

Don't reply to me if this is how you are going to argue.

And that isn't Orochimaru controlling both body parts. That's snakes coming from both halves to reform the original. How do you know that Orochimaru is controlling the snakes? All snakes we've seen from him have their own mind, obviously, as they are living creatures.

Those injuries leading to death doesn't equate them to the lethality of decapitation. At least you are supporting your claims with evidence though. Something that seems to be beyond blazekev's capabilities. :lol

@Bold.
That is true, but all snakes, even Hidden Shadow Snakes are summoned with S/T jutsu (Databook fact). So Orochimaru had to summon them and he did that in both body parts, despite being bisected. There's nothing suggesting he couldn't do the same if his body was cut not in half, but in like 80 to 20%.

No, what is the bold based on? Maybe if he cut all the way through you could argue this. All you see is his throat ripped apart and a lot of blood. Nothing to lead you to the conclusion that his spinal cord was severed. And in what universe is taking a giant sword through the chest the same as decapitation? Because of the severing of the spinal cord? Lmfao. Tsunade survived the same exact thing. Her spinal cord being run through by Madara's Susanoo blades. Are you going to argue that she survives if someone cuts her head off? No, you won't. Because she can't. Tsunade was split in half. Are you going to argue that she survives decapitation? No, you won't. Because it doesn't make sense. So it wouldn't make sense for her.

A single touch from Kabuto's chakra scapel managed to mutilate Tsunade's heart, despite chest being much thicker and due to Tsunade having big breasts. Here, Orochimaru took several point-blank chakra scalpels to his throat. His spinal cord must've been shredded to pieces, considering that scalpels deal mostly internal damage, and Kabuto still attacked him enough times to destroy his external skin layer. That says something.

Everyone can survive getting beheaded. Of course until the brain dies (which in most cases happens very quickly so beheading is pretty much considered something equal to death). Manga shows Orochimaru can survive bisection and reattach his body, so he can also survive beheading, because it's the same situation, just the body is split in different proportions. Especially, since Orochimaru can hide his internal organs to prevent damage and blood loss (as seen during KN4 fight).

 

[blazekev90]

Not really. Nothing implies he can survive an injury of that level thus there is no arguing that he does. Simple as that.

The ones you are giving him, such as being able to survive decapitation.

Doesn't take a genius to realize how little sense your line of argumentation is. There is no ability he possesses that makes him impossible to kill with physical attacks. Whether he's been killed by one or not is irrelevant. Hashirama hasn't been killed by physical attacks. By your logic physical attacks can't kill him because we haven't witnessed it. :lol Spare me the nonsense.

If Naruto made a proper guard he wouldn't have been tossed to the ground. If Naruto could do more than block and get tossed to the ground, he would've as his goal is to defeat and seal Madara. Not let Madara slap him around like a rag doll.

All you are doing is making stuff up. There is no wind. There is no gust. Minato flicked his Kunai which is why it went from a lower elevation to a higher elevation. Wind or gust created from his jutsu, even if it existed which it doesn't, would blow the Kunai away in a straight line. Not up towards Ay's position.

Don't reply to me if this is how you are going to argue.

This is getting old and tired. Nothing implies Orochimaru survives decapitation?!more nonsense.

He's shown every snake characteristic, but you're discrediting the possibility of him moving after being decapitated?! that's convenient lol.

Manga feats disagree. Also. Orochimaru is implied physical attacks pose no threat to him. The only one lacking evidence here is you.

Scan.

Do I need to provide the consistency of wind gust appearing following FTG?! Because I can. Show me when he flicked his wrist and I'll agree.

You're drawing you own conclusion when the context of these encounters don't outright agree with your claims.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'll respond to Nattana later.

This is getting old and tired. Nothing implies Orochimaru survives decapitation?!more nonsense.

He's shown every snake characteristic, but you're discrediting the possibility of him moving after being decapitated?! that's convenient lol.

Manga feats disagree. Also. Orochimaru is implied physical attacks pose no threat to him. The only one lacking evidence here is you.

Scan.

Do I need to provide the consistency of wind gust appearing following FTG?! Because I can. Show me when he flicked his wrist and I'll agree.

You're drawing you own conclusion when the context of these encounters don't outright agree with your claims.

If something does, post it. If not, don't post at all.

No, he hasn't. Where has he shown the capability to survive decapitation? Nowhere. So you don't have an argument.

"Manga feats disagree" isn't an argument. Where is the proof no physical attack can kill Orochimaru? Oh wait, it doesn't exist.

Prove that the gust appeared in that situation or don't post. Prove that the gust would push the Kunai up or don't post. I've already explained why he flicked his wrist and as usual your counter argument doesn't make absolutely any sense. None at all.

Not sure why you think you'll get anywhere by making shit up, but all you are doing is wasting your time posting these trash arguments. "ooo im right cuz i said so". :lol Kids these days man.

 

[KCN]

Sensing whereabouts. That's is. But even than, I believe he has to place his finger on the ground. He won't be able to sense oncoming attacks. Also, given this is Zetsu Orochimaru, sensing may very be irrelevant as Zetsu can't be sensed

That's a cute scenario. Minato without intel would no reason to teleport in and out of range if he believes his opponent is dead.

Yet we've witness him low of chakra. Lol his ability to use SM temporarily means nothing. Boss summoning are only used to match toads. Both parties would use chakra. Oral Rebirth is subjective, some damage can simply be regenerated.

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Yes, and sensing their whereabouts is the whole point of sensing in the first place. And no, he doesn't need to place his finger to sense [

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Even still, the numbing effects aren't permanent seeing as Sasuke was completely fine after he left its immediate proximity [

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] meaning it doesn't last. When Minato Hiraishins out of it's range, he'll be fine.

That means nothing. Using SM temporarily isn't the point. The point is that to acquire SM in the first place you must have very large reserves, and when you combine that with Minato's conservative style which really expends limited chakra then you can guarantee Minato isn't gassing before Orochimaru. And no, Orochimaru uses his summons as a part of his natural fighting style. He used numerous snakes against J-man and Tsunade before they even brought out their summons, only for Jiraiya to sink it with Yomi Numa. Orochimaru always defers to his snakes in combat, as his personal offensive arsenal is extremely limited. Minato has areas he can target which force Oro to use Oral rebirth, such as the neck.

 

[adeshina365]

Orochimaru wins. He is a cockroach, he'll find a way.

 

[KidGamer65]

@Bold.
That is true, but all snakes, even Hidden Shadow Snakes are summoned with S/T jutsu (Databook fact). So Orochimaru had to summon them and he did that in both body parts, despite being bisected. There's nothing suggesting he couldn't do the same if his body was cut not in half, but in like 80 to 20%.

They were there the moment he got cut in half, so he clearly didn't summon them when his body was separated into two halves.

A single touch from Kabuto's chakra scapel managed to mutilate Tsunade's heart, despite chest being much thicker and due to Tsunade having big breasts. Here, Orochimaru took several point-blank chakra scalpels to his throat. His spinal cord must've been shredded to pieces, considering that scalpels deal mostly internal damage, and Kabuto still attacked him enough times to destroy his external skin layer. That says something.

Mutilate? He damaged it. Not mutilated it. Not to mention he used it to surgically damage her while he used it as a physical weapon against Orochimaru. No reason why his spinal cord would be shredded. Two completely different types of damage. So at best you can prove that his throat was completely destroyed.

Everyone can survive getting beheaded. Of course until the brain dies (which in most cases happens very quickly so beheading is pretty much considered something equal to death). Manga shows Orochimaru can survive bisection and reattach his body, so he can also survive beheading, because it's the same situation, just the body is split in different proportions. Especially, since Orochimaru can hide his internal organs to prevent damage and blood loss (as seen during KN4 fight).

No, you can't. Is death instant? No. But it's quick enough to prevent survival. Orochimaru surviving bisection is irrelevant. Orochimaru surviving bisection doesn't impair his abilities in any way, shape or form besides the obvious physical aspect. Having his brain severed from his body is not the same thing nor is there evidence that snakes can reattach his head to his neck.

And where exactly are you getting the bold from?

 

[blazekev90]

No, what is the bold based on? Maybe if he cut all the way through you could argue this. All you see is his throat ripped apart and a lot of blood. Nothing to lead you to the conclusion that his spinal cord was severed. And in what universe is taking a giant sword through the chest the same as decapitation? Because of the severing of the spinal cord? Lmfao. Tsunade survived the same exact thing. Her spinal cord being run through by Madara's Susanoo blades. Are you going to argue that she survives if someone cuts her head off? No, you won't. Because she can't. Tsunade was split in half. Are you going to argue that she survives decapitation? No, you won't. Because it doesn't make sense. So it wouldn't make sense for her.

And that isn't Orochimaru controlling both body parts. That's snakes coming from both halves to reform the original. How do you know that Orochimaru is controlling the snakes? All snakes we've seen from him have their own mind, obviously, as they are living creatures.

Those injuries leading to death doesn't equate them to the lethality of decapitation. At least you are supporting your claims with evidence though. Something that seems to be beyond blazekev's capabilities. :lol

Here you go with the bull. "Based off what"? You make the excuse every time, but when someone else does the same thing you fault them for it. You took that scan for face value. "All you see is his ripped throat and blood." Nat added context to the scan due to the probability of having actually occurred. You debunk it because "nothing lead to that conclusion." Similarly, I've been telling you the same thing throughout this threat. You provide a scan of a kunia being mid-air, YOU draw the conclusion it was tossed, not the manga!!! I take the scan for face value and argue other possibilities as to why the kunia was mid-air and that's nonsense in your opinion. Lol. You're too stubborn to see fault in your own logic.

The desperate comparison of Tsuande and Orochimaru is actually that, desperate. You and I both know that Orochimaru's abilities aren't comparable to that of Tsuande.

Whether it's the snakes or Orochimaru himself, they reattached automatically!!! Similar to this true form!!! You can't debunk anything here!!! You ask how do you kno Orochimaru was controlling the snakes. How do you know he wasn't? Did he control them after Sasuke diced him?! Does it matter? No, he recovered, the process as to how it happened doesn't matter. Why? But it was automatically done.

I don't need to post scans, if you needed a scan I can easily provide. Just using a phone and posting can sometimes be a headache. Regardless of, we're familiar with the manga, anything used as "evidence" wouldn't be new to you.

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Yes, and sensing their whereabouts is the whole point of sensing in the first place. And no, he doesn't need to place his finger to sense [

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]. You're referring to his and Tobirama's tracking technique, which is entirely different. Minato is a confirmed sensor.

Even still, the numbing effects aren't permanent seeing as Sasuke was completely fine after he left its immediate proximity [

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] meaning it doesn't last. When Minato Hiraishins out of it's range, he'll be fine.

That means nothing. Using SM temporarily isn't the point. The point is that to acquire SM in the first place you must have very large reserves, and when you combine that with Minato's conservative style which really expends limited chakra then you can guarantee Minato isn't gassing before Orochimaru. And no, Orochimaru uses his summons as a part of his natural fighting style. He used numerous snakes against J-man and Tsunade before they even brought out their summons, only for Jiraiya to sink it with Yomi Numa. Orochimaru always defers to his snakes in combat, as his personal offensive arsenal is extremely limited. Minato has areas he can target which force Oro to use Oral rebirth, such as the neck.

He's been confirmed as a senor type. That doesn't prove his method of sensing.nonetheless, he wouldn't be able to sense Orochimaru and his only way of getting rid of Edo Hokage completely would be to use death reaper seal.

He absorbed Orochimaru, they became one. Therefore, he became immune to the effects. Also, we don't know how long Sasuke was standing there. Could've been hours. Anyway, it'd be long enough for Orochimaru to attack.

Orochimaru's arms were sealed, Kabuto summoned those snakes for him as that's all he could do. Large summoning consume chakra. Not those attacked to him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Here you go with the bull. "Based off what"? You make the excuse every time, but when someone else does the same thing you fault them for it. You took that scan for face value. "All you see is his ripped throat and blood." Nat added context to the scan due to the probability of having actually occurred. You debunk it because "nothing lead to that conclusion." Similarly, I've been telling you the same thing throughout this threat. You provide a scan of a kunia being mid-air, YOU draw the conclusion it was tossed, not the manga!!! I take the scan for face value and argue other possibilities as to why the kunia was mid-air and that's nonsense in your opinion. Lol. You're too stubborn to see fault in your own logic.

So basically you are getting salty because I don't accept your conclusions without the proper evidence supporting them? Lmao. If only you made sense.

-I've addressed why the Kunai was above Ay's head with logic, not nonsense like "ooo it was the wind" which is apparently the best you can come up with. Sad, but I'm not surprised.
-I've addresed Nattana's post. He said his throat being obliterated means that his spinal cord was cut. That's false. He supported it by using chakra scalpel's ability, but he did it wrong.

You just want people to agree with your BS arguments that have no proof backing them, cause if someone actually says "prove it" like I'm doing right now you'll go on a mini rant instead of actually proving it. As if I care what you have to say that doesn't directly concern the argument at hand.

The desperate comparison of Tsuande and Orochimaru is actually that, desperate. You and I both know that Orochimaru's abilities aren't comparable to that of Tsuande.

If you make the claim that Oro surviving bisection means he can survive decapitation, you better be able to apply that logic to everyone else. If not then don't make the claim. The only thing that reeks of desperation is every post you make complaining about the fact that you need to actually support what you are saying with evidence.

Whether it's the snakes or Orochimaru himself, they reattached automatically!!! Similar to this true form!!! You can't debunk anything here!!! You ask how do you kno Orochimaru was controlling the snakes. How do you know he wasn't? Did he control them after Sasuke diced him?! Does it matter? No, he recovered, the process as to how it happened doesn't matter. Why? But it was automatically done.

It matters because of the argument he made. He stated that they are summons, and that Orochimaru's lower half summoned snakes and I simply asked what that was based on. Is providing evidence a foreign concept to you?

I don't need to post scans, if you needed a scan I can easily provide. Just using a phone and posting can sometimes be a headache. Regardless of, we're familiar with the manga, anything used as "evidence" wouldn't be new to you.

Me reading the Manga doesn't mean I remember every single panel. :lol You don't even need a scan, only a reference point. But you can't even provide that because your claims are literally backed by nothing.

 

[blazekev90]

So basically you are getting salty because I don't accept your conclusions without the proper evidence supporting them? Lmao. If only you made sense.

-I've addressed why the Kunai was above Ay's head with logic, not nonsense like "ooo it was the wind" which is apparently the best you can come up with. Sad, but I'm not surprised.
-I've addresed Nattana's post. He said his throat being obliterated means that his spinal cord was cut. That's false. He supported it by using chakra scalpel's ability, but he did it wrong.

You just want people to agree with your BS arguments that have no proof backing them, cause if someone actually says "prove it" like I'm doing right now you'll go on a mini rant instead of actually proving it. As if I care what you have to say that doesn't directly concern the argument at hand.



If you make the claim that Oro surviving bisection means he can survive decapitation, you better be able to apply that logic to everyone else. If not then don't make the claim. The only thing that reeks of desperation is every post you make complaining about the fact that you need to actually support what you are saying with evidence.




It matters because of the argument he made. He stated that they are summons, and that Orochimaru's lower half summoned snakes and I simply asked what that was based on. Is providing evidence a foreign concept to you?



Me reading the Manga doesn't mean I remember every single panel. :lol You don't even need a scan, only a reference point. But you can't even provide that because your claims are literally backed by nothing.

Salty? No, why would I care about your opinion. Whether you believe me or not, I'll still know Orochimaru wins and you'll believe whatever you want lol. Also, me calling you out about your biases isn't salt, it's me stating facts.

You addressed it with "logic" but with no scans to provide concrete evidence. I can however, post scans of wind gust resulting of ftg, effecting the nearby environment, some moments mild than others. As I situated, if you wish me to provide those, ask. Your "logic" that you consider to be evidence means nothing, when there is other possibilities to explain what had occurred.

False. When you say prove it, you're asking for manga scans proving that concrete evidence. Not logical outcomes, something only you've provided throughout this thread and something I've reciprocated with each of your post. You can call it BS, but I'm doing the same exact thing as you. Proving that neither point can proven as concrete facts, the reason why I suggested the decapitation argument be dropped, your A>B>C of reaction speed, etc. and we actually discuss feats shown!!

I've drawn my conclusion off logical probability. The same as you guy.

Ok. I'm stating the technique in which Orochimaru reattaches himself has been shown as an automatic process. He's been cut any and everything. The end result is the same, regenerates or sheds his skin.

If you cannot remember a panel ask me to provide it. It's annoying opening tabs on a phone to copy and paste. Which ones would you like? Wind gust? Etc?

 

[Nattana]

They were there the moment he got cut in half, so he clearly didn't summon them when his body was separated into two halves.

If they were there the moment he got cut in half, they would've gotten cut in half as well. Unless you want to tell me that Orochimaru got lucky that Kyuubi cut him just in the right spot to avoid harming the snakes...

Mutilate? He damaged it. Not mutilated it. Not to mention he used it to surgically damage her while he used it as a physical weapon against Orochimaru. No reason why his spinal cord would be shredded. Two completely different types of damage. So at best you can prove that his throat was completely destroyed.

With this kind of damage dealt, it would've been a miracle if his spinal cord remained untouched. But since there's no straightforward evidence we can skip this.

No, you can't. Is death instant? No. But it's quick enough to prevent survival. Orochimaru surviving bisection is irrelevant. Orochimaru surviving bisection doesn't impair his abilities in any way, shape or form besides the obvious physical aspect. Having his brain severed from his body is not the same thing nor is there evidence that snakes can reattach his head to his neck.

And where exactly are you getting the bold from?

Orochimaru 'died' when Kabuto attacked him. You can pretty much tell it by his eyes. The

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- something that happens when one dies. So by normal standards Orochimaru was dead, yet nothing stopped him from using his Body Replacement. He could use it when he was missing an arm, so he will be able to use it when he's missing 2 arms, 2 legs and torso. These are in fact just additional limbs.

Not to mention, when Sasuke unsealed Oro's chakra from Anko's Cursed Seal, he recreated his whole body out of chakra and consciousness.

And the bold part came exactly from bisection scene. Orochimaru got bisected by KN4 and not a single droplet of blood came out, not to mention no organs or guts. And we know that it's not a normal thing, because when Orochimaru cut himself open to release Hokage souls, he bled a lot from pretty much same area.
It means that Orochimaru CAN hide his internal organs and blood - most likely by transfering them to his own dimension (but how he does that is obviously just a speculation).

 

[KCN]

He's been confirmed as a senor type. That doesn't prove his method of sensing.nonetheless, he wouldn't be able to sense Orochimaru and his only way of getting rid of Edo Hokage completely would be to use death reaper seal.

He absorbed Orochimaru, they became one. Therefore, he became immune to the effects. Also, we don't know how long Sasuke was standing there. Could've been hours. Anyway, it'd be long enough for Orochimaru to attack.

Orochimaru's arms were sealed, Kabuto summoned those snakes for him as that's all he could do. Large summoning consume chakra. Not those attacked to him.

What are you talking about? Minato uses chakra sensing which lets him identify chakra activity [

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No, he never absorbed Orochimaru in that instant, as he had just been transported to Oro's dimension. Sasuke absorbed him after Orochimaru tried to go for his body

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. Before that, Orochimaru was fine.

That changes nothing. Orochimaru also used snakes against Naruto in the forest. And in the Konoha invasion. He uses snakes as apart of his offensive repertoire and at some point, Minato will frustrate him too much due to not being able to touch him. At least with snakes he can try and overwhelm Minato from many different angles.

 

[blazekev90]

What are you talking about? Minato uses chakra sensing which lets him identify chakra activity [

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No, he never absorbed Orochimaru in that instant, as he had just been transported to Oro's dimension. Sasuke absorbed him after Orochimaru tried to go for his body

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. Before that, Orochimaru was fine.

That changes nothing. Orochimaru also used snakes against Naruto in the forest. And in the Konoha invasion. He uses snakes as apart of his offensive repertoire and at some point, Minato will frustrate him too much due to not being able to touch him. At least with snakes he can try and overwhelm Minato from many different angles.

The fact remains, I won't be able to sense Orochimaru. Zetsu have the ability to erase the chakra, hands the reason no one has been able to sense his presence, whether it's the Kahe submit, war, etc. He'd be able to sense the Edo Hokage, but he'd need to seal them. The only seal he's shown to deal with that would be death reaper seal.

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Kabuto asked "which one are you" prior to the scan you provided. Sasuke absorbed Orochimaru before Kabuto returned, he shows Kabuto what occurred here

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. Sasuke didn't move until after the ritual was complete.

Yet didn't use them against 3rd Hokage or the kyuubi. So, what's your point? As I said, he'll use when necessary.

 

[KCN]

The fact remains, I won't be able to sense Orochimaru. Zetsu have the ability to erase the chakra, hands the reason no one has been able to sense his presence, whether it's the Kahe submit, war, etc. He'd be able to sense the Edo Hokage, but he'd need to seal them. The only seal he's shown to deal with that would be death reaper seal.

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Kabuto asked "which one are you" prior to the scan you provided. Sasuke absorbed Orochimaru before Kabuto returned, he shows Kabuto what occurred here

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. Sasuke didn't move until after the ritual was complete.

Yet didn't use them against 3rd Hokage or the kyuubi. So, what's your point? As I said, he'll use when necessary.

What are you talking about? He doesn't need to sense Orochimaru. He needs to sense Hashirama as he's the one who's initiating the jutsu. Actually think about what you're saying instead of arguing for the sake or arguing. People who just refuse to concede are a cancer to debate with.

How is any of this relevant? I'm actually confused now. Absorbing Orochimaru isn't an instantaneous process. Orochimaru was speaking and goading Sasuke in his dimension [

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] which wouldn't be possible if he was instantly absorbed. I literally just showed you the scan when the absorbing process took place. Orochimaru went from mocking Sasuke to screaming "this isn't possible". Please stop it.

Because it wasn't possible to use them in those scenarios. His arms were disabled against Naruto and he fought the 3rd Hokage in an enclosed barrier on top of a rooftop. Against someone like Minato who would frustrate him with his speed it'll become inevitable.

 

[KidGamer65]

If they were there the moment he got cut in half, they would've gotten cut in half as well. Unless you want to tell me that Orochimaru got lucky that Kyuubi cut him just in the right spot to avoid harming the snakes...

Fine, but this doesn't show that his lower body is the one that summoned said snakes. Snakes can be summoned out of any part of the body by the user and even the normal summoning jutsu doesn't have to call the animal directly to the summoner. So Orochimaru could've easily summoned said snakes and had them come from both halves of his body.

Orochimaru 'died' when Kabuto attacked him. You can pretty much tell it by his eyes. The

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- something that happens when one dies. So by normal standards Orochimaru was dead, yet nothing stopped him from using his Body Replacement. He could use it when he was missing an arm, so he will be able to use it when he's missing 2 arms, 2 legs and torso. These are in fact just additional limbs.

Not to mention, when Sasuke unsealed Oro's chakra from Anko's Cursed Seal, he recreated his whole body out of chakra and consciousness.

And the bold part came exactly from bisection scene. Orochimaru got bisected by KN4 and not a single droplet of blood came out, not to mention no organs or guts. And we know that it's not a normal thing, because when Orochimaru cut himself open to release Hokage souls, he bled a lot from pretty much same area.
It means that Orochimaru CAN hide his internal organs and blood - most likely by transfering them to his own dimension (but how he does that is obviously just a speculation).

Since when does blank pupils equal death?

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Sasuke's go pretty blank multiple times while Itachi is beating him. The only factual thing that happens to your pupils is that they dilate shortly after death. Orochimaru being able to die and then use Oral Rebirth not only makes zero sense because you can't use jutsu while dead (obviously), but it's based on nothing. Orochimaru sacrificed himself to the shinigami so he could release the 4 Hokage and he needed to switch bodies entirely to escape death. Not simply use Oral Rebirth like you are claiming is possible here. Being able to use it while missing limbs doesn't help your point. And Sasuke didn't make a body for Orochimaru out of chakra and consciousness. He took a piece of Kabuto's flesh, merged it with Anko's body using Jugo's powers and that's where Orochimaru's body was created from.

Ok, but how does that let him escape death by decapitation?

 

[KidGamer65]

Salty? No, why would I care about your opinion. Whether you believe me or not, I'll still know Orochimaru wins and you'll believe whatever you want lol. Also, me calling you out about your biases isn't salt, it's me stating facts.

You addressed it with "logic" but with no scans to provide concrete evidence. I can however, post scans of wind gust resulting of ftg, effecting the nearby environment, some moments mild than others. As I situated, if you wish me to provide those, ask. Your "logic" that you consider to be evidence means nothing, when there is other possibilities to explain what had occurred.

False. When you say prove it, you're asking for manga scans proving that concrete evidence. Not logical outcomes, something only you've provided throughout this thread and something I've reciprocated with each of your post. You can call it BS, but I'm doing the same exact thing as you. Proving that neither point can proven as concrete facts, the reason why I suggested the decapitation argument be dropped, your A>B>C of reaction speed, etc. and we actually discuss feats shown!!

I've drawn my conclusion off logical probability. The same as you guy.

Ok. I'm stating the technique in which Orochimaru reattaches himself has been shown as an automatic process. He's been cut any and everything. The end result is the same, regenerates or sheds his skin.

If you cannot remember a panel ask me to provide it. It's annoying opening tabs on a phone to copy and paste. Which ones would you like? Wind gust? Etc?

Post the scans of gust appearing IN THAT SCENARIO or don't post scans at all. Any other scenario where gust or wind appears is irrelevant in a scenario where no gust or wind appears. There is only one way that the Kunai will go from a lower elevation to a higher elevation and that's by Minato throwing it. Ignoring fact doesn't change it. :lol Nor does it change the fact that your argument is asinine and makes pretty much no sense whatsoever.

Nope. I simply want evidence. You can't provide that. Your explanations are backed by literally nothing nor do they make any sense. That is why instead of addressing the arguments you say are wrong, you dance around the points with these dumb responses.

-The decapitation argument will not be dropped. You want to drop it because you can't actually support the claim that Orochimaru survives getting his head taken off.

-The Speed argument will not be dropped. A is faster than B and B is faster than C, then by extension A is also faster than C. This is literally elementary school logic and you are making this more difficult than it should be.

@bold: Did I ever say otherwise? No. Stop trying to argue imaginary points.

-Provide scans of gust or wind appearing when Minato teleports against Ay.
-Provide scans of Orochimaru being stated, hinted or implied to be UNABLE TO BE KILLED BY PHYSICAL DAMAGE. Or support it with some kind of evidence. Not interested in crap "I'm right unless you prove I'm wrong" fallacious logic.

 

[blazekev90]

What are you talking about? He doesn't need to sense Orochimaru. He needs to sense Hashirama as he's the one who's initiating the jutsu. Actually think about what you're saying instead of arguing for the sake or arguing. People who just refuse to concede are a cancer to debate with.

How is any of this relevant? I'm actually confused now. Absorbing Orochimaru isn't an instantaneous process. Orochimaru was speaking and goading Sasuke in his dimension [

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] which wouldn't be possible if he was instantly absorbed. I literally just showed you the scan when the absorbing process took place. Orochimaru went from mocking Sasuke to screaming "this isn't possible". Please stop it.

Because it wasn't possible to use them in those scenarios. His arms were disabled against Naruto and he fought the 3rd Hokage in an enclosed barrier on top of a rooftop. Against someone like Minato who would frustrate him with his speed it'll become inevitable.

Omg!! wtf is wrong with you?! He's facing three opponents at that moment, two he'd be able to sense and one he can't!! His main focus would be to defeat the 1st Hokage, because he's the caster, however in order for to defeat the Hokage he'd need to seal him. ON TOP OF THAT, he'll have to worry about an opponent he can't see!!! Wtf do you think Orochimaru will do?! Sit there again? Wtf aren't you understanding?! Lol

You're confusing yourself. You posted to different instances using the same argument, both inaccurate at that. Sasuke recaps what transpired after Kabuto returned, there's a time lapse between the two scans you've used; after Kabuto returned

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. Before he returns

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The last scan is where the ritual originally takes place. The second scan is genjutsu that Sasuke uses on Kabuto. Lastly, we can't judge the time laspe, because we don't know how long Sasuke was standing there before Kabuto returns. We can say an hour or longer. Regardless of, 15 minutes is long enough to paralyze Minato for Orochimaru to attack as he'd be defenseless for that moment.

How would large snakes help assist against Minato speed?! Lol

 

[DemonicAvenger]

KG, I see you bringing up Madara vs SM Naruto.

Are you still using that as a point to say that Base Minato has superior reflexs/speed to SM Naruto because I'll debate that feat in heartbeat. We've already established their KCM forms are equal and the mangas established that the Oros Edo's were at basically full power

 

[KidGamer65]

KG, I see you bringing up Madara vs SM Naruto.

Are you still using that as a point to say that Base Minato has superior reflexs/speed to SM Naruto because I'll debate that feat in heartbeat. We've already established their KCM forms are equal and the mangas established that the Oros Edo's were at basically full power

Their KCM forms being equal is irrelevant. Says nothing about their lower forms as the boost Minato got isn't as good as the one Naruto got for obvious reasons. Base Minato is far faster than Base Naruto in terms of all forms speed (and I hope you aren't going to argue otherwise, cause that's what it sounds like when you mention their KCM forms) yet w/ KCM they are equal. Then we have the clear cut fact that Minato's feats are superior to anything Naruto has ever done outside of KCM and higher forms.

 

[blazekev90]

Post the scans of gust appearing IN THAT SCENARIO or don't post scans at all. Any other scenario where gust or wind appears is irrelevant in a scenario where no gust or wind appears. There is only one way that the Kunai will go from a lower elevation to a higher elevation and that's by Minato throwing it. Ignoring fact doesn't change it. :lol Nor does it change the fact that your argument is asinine and makes pretty much no sense whatsoever.

Nope. I simply want evidence. You can't provide that. Your explanations are backed by literally nothing nor do they make any sense. That is why instead of addressing the arguments you say are wrong, you dance around the points with these dumb responses.

-The decapitation argument will not be dropped. You want to drop it because you can't actually support the claim that Orochimaru survives getting his head taken off.

-The Speed argument will not be dropped. A is faster than B and B is faster than C, then by extension A is also faster than C. This is literally elementary school logic and you are making this more difficult than it should be.

@bold: Did I ever say otherwise? No. Stop trying to argue imaginary points.

-Provide scans of gust or wind appearing when Minato teleports against Ay.
-Provide scans of Orochimaru being stated, hinted or implied to be UNABLE TO BE KILLED BY PHYSICAL DAMAGE. Or support it with some kind of evidence. Not interested in crap "I'm right unless you prove I'm wrong" fallacious logic.

I'll address the Minato kunia topic in another post.

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"I cannot be destroyed." In this context, Orochimaru it telling Sasuke he can't destroy him, meaning he can't inflict any lethal strike against him. He goes further to state "your insignificant jutsu can't kill me." Facts, he's outright implying that physical attacks can't kill him. This is the very reason why he's only been sealed and/or absorbed. Any other method used to "kill" Orochimaru fails.

We have to remember Kimimmaro's statement

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"Immortality doesn't NECESSARILY indicate immortality of the body." Orochimaru's spirit is what lives, host are nothing than physical forms Orochimaru's spirit resides in.

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The host body has no limits as to what the it can endure once reincarnation has transpired. ONLY after the three year is the BODY vulnerable.

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This reincarnation allows the body to be killed, as the spirit continues to live. Orochimaru's human form isn't even his. Arguably, Orochimaru existence is purely that of spiritual energy.

"Spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī, English TV: Mental Energy) is derived from the mind's consciousness and can be increased through studying, meditation, and experience." Similarly, his true form acts like that of Tanya's jutsu with the soul sucking spiritual guys (lol).
-"The materialised spirits are composed almost entirely of spiritual energy, so the chakra is in an unstable state. Therefore, they crave physical energy, so they hunt for their prey endlessly."

This also ties and explains why this form is required in order for the ritual to work. This separate dimension, some call genjutsu, it simply Orochimaru's spiritual energy taking ahold of his new body. As explained, genjutsu is Yin release

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yin release is based on spiritual energy.

Overall, this explains why no strike/decapitation can possibly kill Orochimaru. The host body will either reattach itself or produce another body. You using "logic" doesn't apply when Orochimaru has already been referred to as being inhuman

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So you can stop with the "So Tsuande can do it too" game. The two obviously aren't comparable.