[VS] Orochimaru VS Itachi

who wins?

  • Lord Orochimaru sama

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  • Uchiha Itachi

    Votes: 18 51.4%
  • Draw

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Legendary Toad Sage

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In the battle against Sasuke while he was purposely losing as well as dying from a terminal illness, he used Tsukuyomi, spammed Amaterasu, and used Susano'o. I'm sure he has enough eye durability to do it.
He spammed these techniques on a single person, not three.

Itachi doesn't have enough stamina to use Amaterasu on both Hizashi & Asuma, use stage three Susanoo to seal both Hizashi & Asuma, and use Amaterasu again MULTIPLE times against Orochimaru.


Nagato could walk in that battle, he wasn't immobile, so I think that it is actually fair.
No, he couldn't.

You're right. Amaterasu isn't instant. But the only person I remember dodging it was Ay, and his speed was on par with the likes of Minato and KM Naruto. I don't see Oro moving that fast, or responding that fast. 50 meters isn't as much as you think it is. Even Obito couldn't respond fast enough to dodge the Amaterasu. He had to use Izanagi in order to escape it.
Both Ay & Obito were not fifty meters away.

As far as it stands, Itachi has never used Amaterasu on an opponent further then mid range. Orochimaru can body shed anyways, when (and if) hit. Orochimaru slithering around at massive speeds should present a massive challenge for Itachi to tag with Amaterasu in the first place.


Furthermore, lets agree to disagree, since Itachi-sama can clearly not be beaten. I'm a silly boy, forgive me.
 

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He spammed these techniques on a single person, not three.

Itachi doesn't have enough stamina to use Amaterasu on both Hizashi & Asuma, use stage three Susanoo to seal both Hizashi & Asuma, and use Amaterasu again MULTIPLE times against Orochimaru.



No, he couldn't.


Both Ay & Obito were not fifty meters away.

As far as it stands, Itachi has never used Amaterasu on an opponent further then mid range. Orochimaru can body shed anyways, when (and if) hit. Orochimaru slithering around at massive speeds should present a massive challenge for Itachi to tag with Amaterasu in the first place.


Furthermore, lets agree to disagree, since Itachi-sama can clearly not be beaten. I'm a silly boy, forgive me.

Calm down. IN MY OPINION Itachi wins. Asuma and Hyuga cannot respond to Amaterasu, though I agree that Amaterasu isn't taking Oro out. He would have to choose between Tsukuyomi, Sakegari, and Izanami as his weapon of choice. Or just a combination of two of them.

Not to sound rude, but if you're going to be debating about something, at least be knowledgeable about it. Nagato WAS mobile during the fight with Itachi. Rewatch it if you don't believe me.

And, again, after repeating it multiple times, Itachi DOES have enough chakra to use Amaterasu on two people.

A long time ago, God created a thing called "eyes." Use them.
 

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Orochimaru was healthy actually. He could make seals and everything. The only time he was sick is when Hiruzen used the Reaper Death Seal on him, THAT'S what made him sick. This took place before that. He was trying to steal his Sharingan, whether he was dead or alive, not his body.
Orochimaru was trying to take Itachi's body, just like he tried to take Sasuke's; Sasuke confirmed this. If he just wanted the Sharingan, he could had plucked them from Sasuke at any point.
Orochimaru was trying to become the next Rikudou, he wanted Itachi's/Sasuke's body and was experimenting with Senju cells. Kabuto confirmed this.

Orochimaru can only trade bodies once every couple years when his host starts to reject him, he's dying and weakened. Orochimaru had to leave his fight with KN4 because his body started to give out on him, and he had to take Genyuumaru's body because he couldn't wait for Sasuke any longer or else he'd die.

And even then, Itachi didn't "beat" Orochimaru, merely forced him to back off. Orochimaru is an immortal regenerating freak, getting shopped to pieces makes him giggle, so losing a hand literally meant nothing. So no, he couldn't take Itachi's body so he had to go find another one before he died.

He also lacked killing intent, something Itachi also lacked against Sasuke so don't be a hypocrite.

In the battle against Sasuke while he was purposely losing as well as dying from a terminal illness, he used Tsukuyomi, spammed Amaterasu, and used Susano'o. I'm sure he has enough eye durability to do it.

Nagato could walk in that battle, he wasn't immobile, so I think that it is actually fair.

You're right. Amaterasu isn't instant. But the only person I remember dodging it was Ay, and his speed was on par with the likes of Minato and KM Naruto. I don't see Oro moving that fast, or responding that fast. 50 meters isn't as much as you think it is. Even Obito couldn't respond fast enough to dodge the Amaterasu. He had to use Izanagi in order to escape it.
That would be impressive if Sasuke were more powerful, but he was still weaker than armless Orochimaru and proceeded to get his arrogant hide smacked around by the Gokage.
Itachi purposely losing also renders any negative effects from his "illness" moot, since he was trying to take a dive. Besides, Itachi was dying from Susanoo, that was his illness.

Itachi used Tsukiyomi, activated Susanoo twice, and used 2 Amaterasus.

Nagato's legs were still impaired and Kabuto said that's why Nagato was hit by Totsuka.

How many people has Amaterasu been used against? lol. Sasuke dodged Amaterasu. Obito was hit by Amaterasu from 50 meters away? No. Just so you're aware, 50 meters is 164 feet. Gyuuki wasn't even that far away from Sasuke and he still intercepted it with his tail.
 

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Calm down. IN MY OPINION Itachi wins. Asuma and Hyuga cannot respond to Amaterasu, though I agree that Amaterasu isn't taking Oro out. He would have to choose between Tsukuyomi, Sakegari, and Izanami as his weapon of choice. Or just a combination of two of them.
I am calm. Your opinion is invalid, Orochimaru is too stronk. Trololol.

Not to sound rude, but if you're going to be debating about something, at least be knowledgeable about it. Nagato WAS mobile during the fight with Itachi. Rewatch it if you don't believe me.
Lul. Is this real life?

You're kidding right? Nagato used gravity manipulation and his bird in order to compensate for his lack of mobility.

Better yet, show me a scan of Nagato physically moving, and I will admit that I was wrong.


And, again, after repeating it multiple times, Itachi DOES have enough chakra to use Amaterasu on two people.
You haven't validated your claim. You're merely posting wiki pages. Once you validate your claim, then you can stop repeating what you said.

A long time ago, God created a thing called "eyes." Use them.
Which is why you should thoroughly read the manga before spewing ignorant comments.
 

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Orochimaru was trying to take Itachi's body, just like he tried to take Sasuke's; Sasuke confirmed this. If he just wanted the Sharingan, he could had plucked them from Sasuke at any point.
Orochimaru was trying to become the next Rikudou, he wanted Itachi's/Sasuke's body and was experimenting with Senju cells. Kabuto confirmed this.

Orochimaru can only trade bodies once every couple years when his host starts to reject him, he's dying and weakened. Orochimaru had to leave his fight with KN4 because his body started to give out on him, and he had to take Genyuumaru's body because he couldn't wait for Sasuke any longer or else he'd die.

And even then, Itachi didn't "beat" Orochimaru, merely forced him to back off. Orochimaru is an immortal regenerating freak, getting shopped to pieces makes him giggle, so losing a hand literally meant nothing. So no, he couldn't take Itachi's body so he had to go find another one before he died.

He also lacked killing intent, something Itachi also lacked against Sasuke so don't be a hypocrite.



That would be impressive if Sasuke were more powerful, but he was still weaker than armless Orochimaru and proceeded to get his arrogant hide smacked around by the Gokage.
Itachi purposely losing also renders any negative effects from his "illness" moot, since he was trying to take a dive. Besides, Itachi was dying from Susanoo, that was his illness.

Itachi used Tsukiyomi, activated Susanoo twice, and used 2 Amaterasus.

Nagato's legs were still impaired and Kabuto said that's why Nagato was hit by Totsuka.

How many people has Amaterasu been used against? lol. Sasuke dodged Amaterasu. Obito was hit by Amaterasu from 50 meters away? No. Just so you're aware, 50 meters is 164 feet. Gyuuki wasn't even that far away from Sasuke and he still intercepted it with his tail.
Itachi let Sasuke run from the black flames to give him time to think of a way to escape, which he did.

I'm aware just how long 50 meters is, but do you realize how fast the characters in this show move? He'll cross the distance in a minute and when he's in proper range, he'll cast Amaterasu on the two Edo's and then promptly seal them while they're immobile. (Kabuto said he was TOO immobile, as in SLOW, not that he was impaired because of Hanzo's attack. As an edo he was healed from such deterrents.

He wasn't specifically dying from the Susano'o, but from the overall usage of the MS. Using "two" Amaterasu's doesn't matter. It's how MUCH you use during the two times you use it and how long you maintain it, the same for Susano'o.

As for Oro being sick when he fought Itachi? The thing is, so was Itachi. Along with that, he wasn't even trying against Oro, while Orochimaru was all business. He was fourteen years old, much less experienced against just about anyone, and could still beat him without even trying WHILE being sick as well.
 

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I am calm. Your opinion is invalid, Orochimaru is too stronk. Trololol.


Lul. Is this real life?

You're kidding right? Nagato used gravity manipulation and his bird in order to compensate for his lack of mobility.

Better yet, show me a scan of Nagato physically moving, and I will admit that I was wrong.



You haven't validated your claim. You're merely posting wiki pages. Once you validate your claim, then you can stop repeating what you said.


Which is why you should thoroughly read the manga before spewing ignorant comments.
Start watching at 18:15. That's Nagato flying through the forest and doing a summersault backwards to avoid Killer Bee's attack in seven tailed mode, and then bringing him down. What happened to him not being mobile? Lmfao.

I already validated my claim. If you choose to deny it with zero evidence, that's your choice.

I believe being "ignorant" correlates with you more than me :).
 

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Start watching at 18:15. That's Nagato flying through the forest and doing a summersault backwards to avoid Killer Bee's attack in seven tailed mode, and then bringing him down. What happened to him not being mobile? Lmfao.

I already validated my claim. If you choose to deny it with zero evidence, that's your choice.

I believe being "ignorant" correlates with you more than me :).
I said link me a scan, not post an invalid youtube video that isn't canon.
 
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You realize Masashi still writes both. It was on the main story of Naruto anime, not a filler or anything. It happened. There's no denying that. Nothing about that is invalid.
That's short for... I don't have anything except non-canon anime right?

 
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Itachi let Sasuke run from the black flames to give him time to think of a way to escape, which he did.

I'm aware just how long 50 meters is, but do you realize how fast the characters in this show move? He'll cross the distance in a minute and when he's in proper range, he'll cast Amaterasu on the two Edo's and then promptly seal them while they're immobile. (Kabuto said he was TOO immobile, as in SLOW, not that he was impaired because of Hanzo's attack. As an edo he was healed from such deterrents.

He wasn't specifically dying from the Susano'o, but from the overall usage of the MS. Using "two" Amaterasu's doesn't matter. It's how MUCH you use during the two times you use it and how long you maintain it, the same for Susano'o.

As for Oro being sick when he fought Itachi? The thing is, so was Itachi. Along with that, he wasn't even trying against Oro, while Orochimaru was all business. He was fourteen years old, much less experienced against just about anyone, and could still beat him without even trying WHILE being sick as well.
And yet Itachi still hit Sasuke with Amaterasu... soo, what? Itachi just got impatient?

You do realize that Orochimaru and the Edo Tenseis will ALSO move, correct? They can likely dodge Amaterasu as well, and Hiashi can use Kaiten similar to how Nagato used Shinra Tensei.
Nagato was not healed, his legs were still f'd up and was being carried first by Kakuzu, and then was being assisted by Itachi, and then went to riding his bird.

Should be better than making more.

Itachi was sick even as a 14 year old? I don't buy it. Orochimaru also didn't have killing intent, he was holding back. And, as I promptly explained previously, Itachi in no way, shape, or form defeated Orochimaru. Orochimaru walked up to Itachi, tried to trade bodies, Itachi defended, Orochimaru left. That's it. Wasn't even a fight.
This new 14 year old sick Itachi didn't do anything Sasuke didn't.
 

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Itachi wins low difficulty. Sorry itachi but youre blind now because youre gonna use izunami on orochimaru while using a grand fireball to kill the rest of the pests...
 

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A lot of posts always refer to the 2 Oro Itachi confrontations as evidence of Itachi being superior to Oro.

It is worth noting that in their first confrontation - going by the anime at least - Oro was making hand signs to get free - which I presume is a strong feat in itself. He also seemed more fascinated by the whole process of being trapped, marvelling at Itachi's visual ability - as if to say 'what an interesting experience'. This didn't seem like someone who feared Itachi or the consequences of a fight with Itachi, more like wanting to get Itachi's body rather than killing Itachi. -

In the second fight - in hydra mode - the snake's heads were chopped off - and he still showed no fear, mocking Itachi - we assume that those heads will re-grow - based on what Hydra mode is all about (power of the white snake's regeneration). I think people underestimate the power of his 'Dragon God' form - the data book makes reference to how strong this is - it's just that we never got a chance to see him show off his full abilities in a fight before being sealed.
 
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why do people think itachi will low diff him like before?
look at the scenario. totally different.

1. its a forest. itachi will not immediately see oro's location and genjtusu him. he has to move forward.
2. oro has manga intel. he absorbed all of the intel kabuto had gathered up on itachis powers and abilities. so he knows about totsuka, and izanami and tsukuyomi! he will not be so stupid as to be like "yep theres those sharingans imma look at them".
3. he has edos. immediately itachi will know he needs susano or hes dead.
4. this is an updated orochimaru. hes smarter, more experienced and has more jutsus than ever before
 
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