[VS] Orochimaru VS Itachi

[LustyLover]

Someone who I feel makes good debates. You are not one of them. There is no ''winning'' because no matter how hard you try you aren't changing someones mind that's already made up. Besides, you are an Itachi wanker so whats the point of me even trying? :'(

You left the last debate you tried to beat me in because you couldn't find a refutable point. That in itself says alot about you as a debater. Slap yourself.

Oh, and I'm not an Itachi wanker. I acknowledge people who are stronger than another without getting butt-hurt about it, something that you should at least attempt to do.

 

[Beans2]

Itachi low diff. He already owned Orochimaru twice, and he owned Kabuto (who is basically an upgraded version of Oro)

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Leaning towards Orochimaru considering Amaterasu is virtually useless here, and Itachi has but only so many options against an edo.

 

[LuckyMan]

You left the last debate you tried to beat me in because you couldn't find a refutable point. That in itself says alot about you as a debater. Slap yourself.

Oh, and I'm not an Itachi wanker. I acknowledge people who are stronger than another without getting butt-hurt about it, something that you should at least attempt to do.

That is because that last post of yours was complete BS, I didn't even have to post and say it myself, someone else did. That's how BS it was.

The fact that you said Itachi can ''chill in his susanoo and not suffocate in Planetary Devastation'' because ''Susanoo hold oxygen for the user to breathe'' is just terrifyingly ridiculous. I might even wear that as a sig.

 

[LustyLover]

Leaning towards Orochimaru considering Amaterasu is virtually useless here, and Itachi has but only so many options against an edo.

The Sakegari Blade seals Edo revivals.

Amaterasu can still hit the Asuma and the Hyuga so fast to the point where they cannot even respond, and then he can follow up by sealing them. Orochimaru won't be able to respond either. He'll have to spam the Style Body Replacement Technique every time he gets hit. Doing that, he'd end up running out of chakra long before Itachi does.

Btw, Itachi technically knows Edo Tensei after he forced Kabuto to tell him :3.

 

[LustyLover]

That is because that last post of yours was complete BS, I didn't even have to post and say it myself, someone else did. That's how BS it was.

The fact that you said Itachi can ''chill in his susanoo and not suffocate in Planetary Devastation'' because ''Susanoo hold oxygen for the user to breathe'' is just terrifyingly ridiculous. I might even wear that as a sig.

I already backed that up with evidence, whereas you went on a tantrum across the debate and left after you ran out of things to counter me with. I said Itachi won't get caught up in CT for a shit-ton of reasons.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Having Hashirama DNA doesn't mean you can use the abilities it has the potential to grant you.

I am well aware of this.

Feats on Orochimaru? Asuma and Hizashi are fodder.

Edo Asuma is not a fodder, and Edo Hizashi damn sure isn't. Are you suggesting they would be of no help in the skirmish?

Feats on what in particular?

 

[LustyLover]

I am well aware of this.


Edo Asuma is not a fodder, and Edo Hizashi damn sure isn't. Are you suggesting they would be of no help in the skirmish?

Feats on what in particular?

Feats on Orochimaru being able to use Hashirama's wood style on a grand scale. That's the only way I see him standing a chance.

And yeah, Asuma is fodder, lol. He rendered Asuma useless in Pt. 1, and Hizashi is nearly the same level.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

The Sakegari Blade seals Edo revivals.

Amaterasu can still hit the Asuma and the Hyuga so fast to the point where they cannot even respond, and then he can follow up by sealing them. Orochimaru won't be able to respond either. He'll have to spam the Style Body Replacement Technique every time he gets hit. Doing that, he'd end up running out of chakra long before Itachi does.

You think Itachi Uchiha can outlast Orochimaru after using Amaterasu on both Asuma & Hizashi and sealing them? I think not.

You act as if this will be an effortless costless process, which harms Itachi in no way.

 

[LustyLover]

You think Itachi Uchiha can outlast Orochimaru after using Amaterasu on both Asuma & Hizashi and sealing them? I think not.

You act as if this will be an effortless costless process, which harms Itachi in no way.

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All I'm saying is that whether Itachi is serious or not, there's no way team Oro is succeeding. Itachi used this much of the black flames while his death was long overdue by YEARS (stated by Obito). Look at the small amount of flames on the dome. That's enough to cover a person. Then compare that to the flames on the side. If Itachi can produce that much, why can't he just use enough for two to three?

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Feats on Orochimaru being able to use Hashirama's wood style on a grand scale. That's the only way I see him standing a chance.

I never suggested that Orochimaru could use Mokuton. . . cause he can't. The only win I see Orochimaru is winning via attrition since he has nothing that can damage or harm Susanoo.

And yeah, Asuma is fodder, lol. He rendered Asuma useless in Pt. 1, and Hizashi is nearly the same level.

If you seriously believe that Edo Asuma & Hizashi in tandem are harmless to Itachi, or that Asuma is on the same tier as Hizashi then I no longer wish to participate in this conversation lol.

 

[LustyLover]

I never suggested that Orochimaru could use Mokuton. . . cause he can't. The only win I see Orochimaru is winning via attrition since he has nothing that can damage or harm Susanoo.




If you seriously believe that Edo Asuma & Hizashi in tandem are harmless to Itachi, or that Asuma is on the same tier as Hizashi then I no longer wish to participate in this conversation lol.

How DOESN'T Itachi win this? Just tell me that.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

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All I'm saying is that whether Itachi is serious or not, there's no way team Oro is succeeding. Itachi used this much of the black flames while his death was long overdue by YEARS (stated by Obito). Look at the small amount of flames on the dome. That's enough to cover a person. Then compare that to the flames on the side. If Itachi can produce that much, why can't he just use enough for two to three?

At fifty meters Orochimaru should be able to erect a rashomon gate and prevent the three of them from being roasted early on. Not even taking into consideration that using Amaterasu on an edo tensei might only result in the creation of a flaming opponent.

Using MS to the extent of hitting three people, only to have one of them negate the effects (Orochimaru via body shed), is not advisable.

 

[Latios]

Itachi Low-Dif. If Orochimaru couldn't harm a 14-year old Itachi he certainly isn't harming a more experienced one. Just think, when Orochimaru was trapped he could have cut off his head instead of his arm.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

How DOESN'T Itachi win this? Just tell me that.

Via attrition.

 

[LustyLover]

At fifty meters Orochimaru should be able to erect a rashomon gate and prevent the three of them from being roasted early on. Not even taking into consideration that using Amaterasu on an edo tensei might only result in the creation of a flaming opponent.

Using MS to the extent of hitting three people, only to have one of them negate the effects (Orochimaru via body shed), is not advisable.

Itachi used Amaterasu on Nagato and he was unable to do anything. If it wasn't for Shinra Tensei, he would of been immobile.

You're underestimating how fast Amaterasu moves. Oro won't be able to use the Rashomon before Itachi hits him with Amaterasu, and he won't even know when he's going to use it. And after that picture I showed you, I think it's safe to say that Itachi can use the black flames more than Oro can use body shed.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Seeing as Itachi already defeated Oro without trying in roughly five seconds, no, not really.

Orochimaru was dying and trying to trade bodies without killing Itachi. Sasuke has the exact same feat.

If Orochimaru were healthy and trying to kill Itachi, he'd be dead. Orochimaru has counters to all of Itachi's abilities and has ways of taking Itachi out.

Itachi used Amaterasu on Nagato and he was unable to do anything. If it wasn't for Shinra Tensei, he would of been immobile.

You're underestimating how fast Amaterasu moves. Oro won't be able to use the Rashomon before Itachi hits him with Amaterasu, and he won't even know when he's going to use it. And after that picture I showed you, I think it's safe to say that Itachi can use the black flames more than Oro can use body shed.

Nagato wasn't able to do anything because Edo Tenseis aren't allowed to act or react to other Edo Tenseis, Kabuto had to override Nagato so that he could use Shinra Tensei and get rid of Amaterasu, Nagato also had crippled legs and couldn't move very well.

You're overestimating it. Sasuke ran from it and Gyuuki blocked it with his tail before it hit him. It's also easy to notice Amaterasu coming; Itachi closes his eyes for a few seconds and it starts to bleed before he uses Amaterasu.

Itachi has about 5 uses of MS, and each time he uses it his chakra drops greatly and his condition worsens. Itachi actually has to be more careful with it. Orochimaru on the otherhand, aside from body shed, can dodge or use other things to intercept Amaterasu.

I never suggested that Orochimaru could use Mokuton. . . cause he can't. The only win I see Orochimaru is winning via attrition since he has nothing that can damage or harm Susanoo.

Orochimaru can get under Susanoo since that's Susanoo's vulnerability. Orochimaru uses Leech All Creation to get under Itachi, then extends Kusanagi up through Itachi.
Orochimaru could emerge inside of Susanoo too where Orochimaru has the advantage. Susanoo can't reach inside itself and an Amaterasu at that range will catch Itachi on fire too.
Orochimaru can also use summons to wrap around and constrict Susanoo's movements, making it so Susanoo can't do anything except protect Itachi until Itachi runs out of time.

Also, the poisonous fumes from Orochimaru's blood should still paralyze Itachi.

 

[LustyLover]

Orochimaru was dying and trying to trade bodies without killing Itachi. Sasuke has the exact same feat.

If Orochimaru were healthy and trying to kill Itachi, he'd be dead. Orochimaru has counters to all of Itachi's abilities and has ways of taking Itachi out.

Orochimaru was healthy actually. He could make seals and everything. The only time he was sick is when Hiruzen used the Reaper Death Seal on him, THAT'S what made him sick. This took place before that. He was trying to steal his Sharingan, whether he was dead or alive, not his body.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Itachi used Amaterasu on Nagato and he was unable to do anything. If it wasn't for Shinra Tensei, he would of been immobile.

Nagato was immobile to begin with, so this is not a fair premise.

You're underestimating how fast Amaterasu moves. Oro won't be able to use the Rashomon before Itachi hits him with Amaterasu, and he won't even know when he's going to use it.

Amaterasu is not instant. The further Itachi is away from his desired target, the longer the flames will actually take to reach it, and at a lengthy fifty meters I'd concur that Orochimaru has enough time to bite his fingers and slam the ground.

And after that picture I showed you, I think it's safe to say that Itachi can use the black flames more than Oro can use body shed.

Based off of what exactly what can you safely conclude that? Do not forget that he has to save enough eye durability to seal both Asuma & Hizashi.

 

[LustyLover]

Nagato was immobile to begin with, so this is not a fair premise.


Amaterasu is not instant. The further Itachi is away from his desired target, the longer the flames will actually take to reach it, and at a lengthy fifty meters I'd concur that Orochimaru has enough time to bite his fingers and slam the ground.


Based off of what exactly what can you safely conclude that? Do not forget that he has to save enough eye durability to seal both Asuma & Hizashi.

In the battle against Sasuke while he was purposely losing as well as dying from a terminal illness, he used Tsukuyomi, spammed Amaterasu, and used Susano'o. I'm sure he has enough eye durability to do it.

Nagato could walk in that battle, he wasn't immobile, so I think that it is actually fair.

You're right. Amaterasu isn't instant. But the only person I remember dodging it was Ay, and his speed was on par with the likes of Minato and KM Naruto. I don't see Oro moving that fast, or responding that fast. 50 meters isn't as much as you think it is. Even Obito couldn't respond fast enough to dodge the Amaterasu. He had to use Izanagi in order to escape it.

Btw, summons won't be able to restrict Susano'o. We have seen Itachi force Kabuto to do something he didn't want to by using Genjutsu; he can do the same with the summons. Due to Itachi's Sharingan and his precognitive skills, he'll see the Kusanagi coming and easily maneuver around it, or just turn into crows when it hits him and cast a Genjutu on him using his crow bunshins.