Orochimaru vs Hidan and Kakuzu

[BlacLord™]

Ppl don't realize how powerful Oro is bc we haven't really saw his all out fight. We only saw Armless orochimaru's fights and against Hiruzen he used Edos, he did almost nothing and most immportant thing is that he was joking around in all of his fights.(except maybe Itachi)

Itachi is the reason Oro is underrated. People somehow correlate with being vulnerable to Sharingan genjutsu with being weak... it's not like the vast majority of the shinobi world would fall prey to it.

But he is really powerful. Just like how you mentioned, he played with 4T Naruto despite his body rejecting him which strains him massively. Kusanagi, Shirohebi no Chikara, Juinjutsu and Triple Rashomon etc. alongside powerful, large reserves of chakra make him very dangerous.

 

[Red Slayer]

nothing sad about it.Its better to die a great char at a point where manga was still good rather than getting resurrected in worst arc to be everyone *****

Lolll yesss ofc, i wonder who would saved SA's ass if not Orochimaru.

 

[NarutoX28]

He was. But that statement is to be taken with a grain of salt because even Itachi himself was agreeing when in part 2, Orochimaru outright admitted clear inferiority to Itachi, overriding the statement.

Itachi never agreed with Kisame's sentiment and his sentiment regardless was never contradicted. The only thing that was blatantly contradicted was Sasuke's ability to take down Orochimaru.

If u have time,Can show me scan where Kisame is talking about Oro? I can not remember that scene.

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Here you go.

 

[BLAZE]

We have no idea where Rin started from, but we do know that Kakashi wasn't anywhere near Shikamaru and Choji when he blocked attack attack.

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isn't that rin's leg in first panel so that does mean rin was pretty close

Lolll yesss ofc, i wonder who would saved SA's ass if not Orochimaru.

Hagoromo's free power ups or some other bs

 

[Red Slayer]

Itachi is the reason Oro is underrated. People somehow correlate with being vulnerable to Sharingan genjutsu with being weak... it's not like the vast majority of the shinobi world would fall prey to it.

But he is really powerful. Just like how you mentioned, he played with 4T Naruto despite his body rejecting him which strains him massively. Kusanagi, Shirohebi no Chikara, Juinjutsu and Triple Rashomon etc. alongside powerful, large reserves of chakra make him very dangerous.

exactly, i agree....
Oro really got neged by Itachi, but i am pretty sure many great shinobi would lose same way, some of them would even get neged harder agaisnt Itachi's genjutsu....
Oro has 5/5 in Genjutsu and even he lost against it.... and most shinobi's have lower than 3, simply remember what happaned to Deidara. Itachi's Genjutsu is something else and it is not shame to lose against it. If u ask me Orochimaru should be even prized bc he almost broke his Genjutsu i'm pretty sure no other Kage and below lvl Shinobi can do this(except, PJ,Uchiha's,god lvls)


Yup i agree Oro ia pretty much strong,but his sickness and the fact that he was armless kept him back...i wonder if we see his all out fight in Boruto manga/part 3 for once.

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isn't that rin's leg in first panel so that does mean rin was pretty close



Hagoromo's free power ups

Hago wasn't there and actually he couldn't when Minato teleported Juubi's TBB and saved SA.

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Here you go.

Oh yeah yeah i remembered now, thankss.

 

[BLAZE]

Hago wasn't there and actually he couldn't when Minato teleported Juubi's TBB and saved SA.

agreed man and Oro's revival was only possible becoz Sasuke willed so direct result of Itachi's influence so it was Itachi who saved everyone again.Ty

 

[Red Slayer]

agreed man and Oro's revival was only possible becoz Sasuke willed so direct result of Itachi's influence so it was Itachi who saved everyone again.Ty

Lol xD don't go to far, believe me it never ends.....

 

[Nattana]

Losing is one thing though, Itachi looked like Orochimaru's daddy.

Those scenes killed any portrayal Orochimaru had going into shippuden tbh. It just put Itachi on so much of a higher level, since that was an Itachi from 7 years past.

Sharingan is Orochimaru's weakness, he kept losing agaisnt it.... but in the Orochimaru is the one who laughts and Itachi is the one who get eaten by worms.

Shippuuden Orochimaru had already developed resistance to Sharingan Genjutsu.

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Lol at noobs negging me. Accepting manga facts is so hard?

 

[ToshiZO]

Shippuuden Orochimaru had already developed resistance to Sharingan Genjutsu.

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Lol at noobs negging me. Accepting manga facts is so hard?

Dat resistance.

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[Nattana]

Dat resistance.

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This wasn't even Genjutsu. It was some kind of Sharingan power mixed with Senjutsu chakra.

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you can see how Orochimaru literally shits on Sharingan Genjutsu.

 

[ToshiZO]

This wasn't even Genjutsu. It was some kind of Sharingan power mixed with Senjutsu chakra.

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you can see how Orochimaru literally shits on Sharingan Genjutsu.

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I'd say history repeated itself quite well.

 

[Nattana]

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I'd say history repeated itself quite well.

Well, if you don't want to accept facts, I won't force you to.

 

[KidGamer65]

FT pointed out in other thread [

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isn't that rin's leg in first panel so that does mean rin was pretty close



Hagoromo's free power ups or some other bs

But that's not where she started, hence me saying we don't know where she started from.

But I agree it was pretty close.

 

[Zexion~]

Lmao if EGF is your main hope then its all too clear that Kakuzu gets eaten moderate diff. Kusanagi>all threads.

A Kusangi that he can't use? Raikiri > all threads as well but how did that turn out lol please fam....

 

[KidGamer65]

A Kusangi that he can't use? Raikiri > all threads as well but how did that turn out lol please fam....

What are you even talking about? "A Kusanagi that he can't use"? :lol

Raikiri doesn't have the reach or range that Kusanagi has so mentioning that is pointless. Kakashi has to get close to cut the threads and his threads are far thicker and wider than his hand. Kusanagi's length>>>>>>>>>>>>>The width of Kakuzu's threads. If he tries to attack with them a single swing and they are severed unless you or someone else is gonna argue that Kusanagi can't cut through them. :lol Not to mention Kakuzu was only able to catch an exhausted Kakashi. Don't bring this terrible logic here.

If this is the best you guys can come up with despite Kakuzu's arsenal it's clear how badly he loses here. :lol Threads. Imagine.

 

[Zexion~]

What are you even talking about? "A Kusanagi that he can't use"? :lol

Raikiri doesn't have the reach or range that Kusanagi has so mentioning that is pointless. Kakashi has to get close to cut the threads and his threads are far thicker and wider than his hand. Kusanagi's length>>>>>>>>>>>>>The width of Kakuzu's threads. If he tries to attack with them a single swing and they are severed unless you or someone else is gonna argue that Kusanagi can't cut through them. :lol Not to mention Kakuzu was only able to catch an exhausted Kakashi. Don't bring this terrible logic here.

If this is the best you guys can come up with despite Kakuzu's arsenal it's clear how badly he loses here. :lol Threads. Imagine.

.-. Exhausted Kakashi who was still able to move perfectly fine later on along as use Raikiri and keep his 3t up, Kakashi doesn't lose much speed when "tired" as shown when he forced Deva to sacrifice his Asura path.Please don't bring up that bull here, not going to argue this as I clearly have other things but the range is completely irrelevant if the threads grab Oro first, like with Kakashi if the threads grab the wrists,arm,hands or even the swords hilt itself it becomes absolutely useless and Oro will be just as overwhelmed if not more so than Kakashi due to him not having 3T and having equal (if not less) speed here. Not to mention most of your arguments have Oro going directly for Kakuzu and Hidan here saying he won't get caught with threads is ridiculous especially if his head is busy inside of Hidan like multiple of you arguing for him have suggested.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Yea I'm not writing wallies so I focus on one topic at a time. And I am noticing that this is where your gonna start skewing points in the long run.

Zero feats that lead me to believe it one shots someone with above average durability. So if you want to argue that it does you should probably support it, because right now you are doing what people do when they are backed into a corner. They ask to be proved wrong instead of actually proving their own argument on their own.

Not agreeing with your reason doesnt mean even implied of someone being backed into a corner. Having an average durability isnt an argument to determine who tanks what. With your logic Orochimaru above average durability tanks X because I say so.

You pointed out that Hidan tanks Kakuzu jutsu, and yet havent provided a shredded evidence that Orochimaru durability is close to Hidan's.

We already saw KN3's chakra blast, and all it did was destroy the bridge and blow Kabuto away with no actual damage besides cracked glasses. So no, try again. That explosion is the same kind of explosion KN4's physical strike created. The bold isn't an argument. The bold is you spewing incoherent nonsense.

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Explosion is identical in aesthetics. That's a fact. Your logic doesn't even make sense. "KN3's blast can't be physical because the chakra blast did less" even though you've just assumed that the chakra blast was supposed to be stronger than the physical attack in the first place. Just stop.

Before I even entertain this post. Please explain to me how NOT tanking this attack means he can tank an attack?

 

[Zexion~]

Before I even entertain this post. Please explain to me how NOT tanking this attack means he can tank an attack?

Fr :lol we don't even see where or how Naruto attacked in one of them, for all we know it could have simply been an attack on the arm, and Oro lost his arm.

So many attacks and techniques that have no feats are within this manga yet for some reason Kakuzu's is the only one that has the "show me feats before you say it deals damage" argument lol.

 

[KidGamer65]

.-. Exhausted Kakashi who was still able to move perfectly fine later on along as use Raikiri and keep his 3t up, Kakashi doesn't lose much speed when "tired" as shown when he forced Deva to sacrifice his Asura path.Please don't bring up that bull here, not going to argue this as I clearly have other things but the range is completely irrelevant if the threads grab Oro first, like with Kakashi if the threads grab the wrists,arm,hands or even the swords hilt itself it becomes absolutely useless and Oro will be just as overwhelmed if not more so than Kakashi due to him not having 3T and having equal (if not less) speed here. Not to mention most of your arguments have Oro going directly for Kakuzu and Hidan here saying he won't get caught with threads is ridiculous especially if his head is busy inside of Hidan like multiple of you arguing for him have suggested.

-How does Kakashi being able to use Raikiri and Sharingan mean that he's not tired? Kakashi himself saying what he had done up until that point was pushing it so please don't try to say his physical ability won't be affected. [

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-How is Asura Path and Deva relevant when Kakashi showed no signs of physical fatigue?
-How are the threads going to grab Orochimaru when their best feat is catching a tired Kakashi from near point blank range? :lol
-Yeah, obviously if he's bound cutting them won't work here but since you nor anyone else can actually explain how he gets bound that argument is useless.
-How does Orochimaru attacking Kakuzu and Hidan automatically mean that he gets caught by threads? Orochimaru has reacted to far more menacing things and your threads best speed feat is catching Kakashi from a meter away, a tired Kakashi. :lol

 

[Zexion~]

-How does Kakashi being able to use Raikiri and Sharingan mean that he's not tired? Kakashi himself saying what he had done up until that point was pushing it so please don't try to say his physical ability won't be affected. [

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-How is Asura Path and Deva relevant when Kakashi showed no signs of physical fatigue?
-How are the threads going to grab Orochimaru when their best feat is catching a tired Kakashi from near point blank range? :lol
-Yeah, obviously if he's bound cutting them won't work here but since you nor anyone else can actually explain how he gets bound that argument is useless.
-How does Orochimaru attacking Kakuzu and Hidan automatically mean that he gets caught by threads? Orochimaru has reacted to far more menacing things and your threads best speed feat is catching Kakashi from a meter away, a tired Kakashi. :lol

-You realize Kakuzu caught Kakashi twice right....

-Kakashi stated his chakra was low during that fight himself

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-What has Oro reacted to that is more menacing? He was hit by every single one of a imperfect KN Naruto that isn't really high in-terms of speed (Naruto is not consciously doing anything here, completely different from using Kyuubi chakra himself) if Pain was outrunning a higher level form on foot.

-Second time Kakashi was farther than 1 meter away, at the very least 5 meters

-Again you all literally stated Oro would use Kusanagi from underground, how is he reacting to anything if he's diving into either Hidan or Kakuzu here :lol


Kakashi seemed to move just fine here

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