Orochimaru>Edo Madara (right)????

[blazekev90]

Edo Madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hashi..

Oro can't do squat to Edo Madara. He fails at using Hashi and Tobirama as Edo Tensei's.

koo story bro.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Now considering Madara has said the only ONE he could defeat him would be the 1st Hokage, he alone has a chance to sole.

Now if Orochimaru was to summon the 1st and 2nd on the part 2 power scale they should be able to sole Madara alone for sure!

Orochimaru techniques+ 1st techniques shown+ 2nd hype=Edo Madara death logically, especially if he has no sealing being that that's the only way to beat ALLL three of them.

Agree?????

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[Ryuu..]

Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage, period. I have always said this and as long as the manga/databook statements stay canon there’s no doubt in my mind that he was a monster in his prime. He was stronger than legendary fighters like the third Raikage, Onoki, Yagura, etc., plus he defeated the two, hyped to the max, power houses at the age of 69.


Anyway, the fight would be epic. Your scenario could come through however I also see Hashirama pulling out his darkness genjutsu before he could do that which would render Madara, momentarily, useless ( no real counter according to databook) and they could capitalize by restricting his movements. Tobirama would teleporting all over the place with massive water techniques following him around through the dimensions, and Orochimaro would go straight to Hydra.

I know Hiruzen is, i've only being saying it for the last 20 flipping years lol. But i'm focusing specifically on Old Man Hiruzen, not Prime. He has been noted as being 'poor' compared to his prime by Emna. I'll kind of fully answer this in my reply below.

NO, their feats were simply limited to the power scale of part 1. There wouldnt have been any of this recently shown power in part 1 and you know this. The fact that Orochimaru still perfected the jutsu means that he could do use them to whatever limit he likes, as long as he has complete control over them.

Why are you trying to deny this man?

Do team Orochimaru even have any sealing feats? If not, they lose everytime. That's pretty much it really.

Ok, firstly, Tobirama has no feats and relatively little hype. I just don't see how we can accurately measure his strength. All we have is his Edo variation as seen against Hiruzen. We don't know how his S/T worked. We know nothing really. That's all. Power scaling is irrelevant, because everything is relative. It only shows that, whilst the Senju brothers would seem stronger, so would Hiruzen. It doesn't necessarily follow that they would whip out stronger moves etc, although I understand what you're saying.

Hashirama being Edo makes little difference, due to the fact he already had the no hand seal regeneration ability from when he was alive. So he'd be pretty much the same as when Madara fought him. Being Edo, and having EMS, Mokuton and the Rinnegan just makes him superior to Hashirama. Orochimaru can be dealt with the 25 Susanoo clones. As i've already stated, Banshou Tenin + Human Path combo is pretty much gg for anyone, as we know even KM Naruto was unable to react when under the influence of Banshou Tenin (only his chakra arm saved him). Perhaps only Tobirama could avoid this with his S/T, but as I stated, we know nothing of how it works or what he requires in order to use it.

 

[Sephy100]

I love how you make this thread about Oro being better than Madara but the only reason you give is edo tensei. If Madara is edo with Rinnegan and EMS and Perfect Susanoo and Hashi cells and Mokuton and Sunanoo making hand seals thean how can they possibly beat him? The only you can give is sealing him and that's a sad but true answer. But no they are not better than him.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

If he had the First, the Second and a few other Edos then he can. However, considering that he never came to his mind to use the S level technique he had and instead chose to get his ass kicked by teenage Uchihas, I'd put him below Madara.

 

[blazekev90]

I know Hiruzen is, i've only being saying it for the last 20 flipping years lol. But i'm focusing specifically on Old Man Hiruzen, not Prime. He has been noted as being 'poor' compared to his prime by Emna. I'll kind of fully answer this in my reply below.



Do team Orochimaru even have any sealing feats? If not, they lose everytime. That's pretty much it really.

Ok, firstly, Tobirama has no feats and relatively little hype. I just don't see how we can accurately measure his strength. All we have is his Edo variation as seen against Hiruzen. We don't know how his S/T worked. We know nothing really. That's all. Power scaling is irrelevant, because everything is relative. It only shows that, whilst the Senju brothers would seem stronger, so would Hiruzen. It doesn't necessarily follow that they would whip out stronger moves etc, although I understand what you're saying.

Hashirama being Edo makes little difference, due to the fact he already had the no hand seal regeneration ability from when he was alive. So he'd be pretty much the same as when Madara fought him. Being Edo, and having EMS, Mokuton and the Rinnegan just makes him superior to Hashirama. Orochimaru can be dealt with the 25 Susanoo clones. As i've already stated, Banshou Tenin + Human Path combo is pretty much gg for anyone, as we know even KM Naruto was unable to react when under the influence of Banshou Tenin (only his chakra arm saved him). Perhaps only Tobirama could avoid this with his S/T, but as I stated, we know nothing of how it works or what he requires in order to use it.

Technically All Oro would have to do is clap is hands for Madara, no? He has the tags required for Edo.

2nd Hokage is hype, but it's follows just as if would for the 3rd Hokage. S/T superior water release, senju DNA

1st now can take any damage and wouldn't need any bust.

Brb I have to run out

 

[Ryuu..]

Technically All Oro would have to do is clap is hands for Madara, no? He has the tags required for Edo.

2nd Hokage is hype, but it's follows just as if would for the 3rd Hokage. S/T superior water release, senju DNA

1st now can take any damage and wouldn't need any bust.

Brb I have to run out

Oro has no control over Madara whatsoever, and so could not decide his fate in that way. Tags? Even if that could work, he couldn't get past Shinra Tensei.

The third Hokage has an outright hype statement which claims he was known as the strongest hokage, though I don't really want into get into this right now. Tobirama has little hype and even less feats that we know of.

Only sealing feats could save team Oro, which they don't seem to have. That's another reason why the Hashirama > Edo Madara claim does not stand.

 

[siyo]

We have to remember this is the Naruto discussion section, not the battle section where only feats are allowed.

We don't know why Madara fears Hashirama nor do we know how he defeated a perfect susanoo, but it's safe to assume that he can obviously do a lot more than we have previously seen (same with his brother and Oro). Thus, based on hype, they should be able to match him.

Hydra is said to be even stronger than Edo-freakin' -tensei.

 

[Klubargutan]

edo madara>edo hashirama+ edo tobirama + orochimaru, cos hashirama hasnt his tailed beasts anyomore....and madara has rinnegan and hashirama's techs now

 

[MrLukyso]

Edo Madara > Shodaime a.k.a Hashirama Senju.

Madara = Hashirama.

EMS Madara < Hashirama.

Even though Edo wasn't so good back then.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

According to your theory, of course Orochimaru will definitely win.

 

[AShine]

bitch, please. Madara on dat dbz shit now. :/

omg this
for the love of god.

 

[blazekev90]

Oro has no control over Madara whatsoever, and so could not decide his fate in that way. Tags? Even if that could work, he couldn't get past Shinra Tensei.

The third Hokage has an outright hype statement which claims he was known as the strongest hokage, though I don't really want into get into this right now. Tobirama has little hype and even less feats that we know of.

Only sealing feats could save team Oro, which they don't seem to have. That's another reason why the Hashirama > Edo Madara claim does not stand.

Controlling is out of the question, but placing or removing tags isn't.

2nd hokage doesn't need anyone more hype than he has. S/T alone is OP hype and is close to Minato level. Also, being the best water user is no small feat

We don't know if Oro has sealing to that effect, he have seen him using other degrees if sealing but that's irrelevant. Tags would be key

 

[TobisPawn]

True, if you believe that Hashirama > Edo Madara. Yet people still vote the second option.

But I think Edo Madara > Hashirama.

 

[blazekev90]

True. Yet people still vote the second option.

As expected, but figured I'd see how ppl excepted it lol

 

[DeViliShChild]

Yes oro + 1st and 2nd win vs edo madara

 

[FlareBlitz]

I think he could if they werent sealed and all.

 

[sageovsixpaths]

dud 1st would win any day against madara

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Bitch, please. Madara on dat DBZ shit now. :/

lmao

 

[Zayon Uchiha]

i agree that if he used edo tensei and brang the second and 1st back then they can defeat madara