Orochimaru>Edo Madara (right)????
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blazekev90
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Ppl denying it because they see Orochiamru's name, but if it was Edo Hokage bros it would be a different story.
If that's the case, then surely a prime Hiruzen would shit on Edo versions of Hashirama and Tobirama every time (and at the same time for that matter). As i'm saying, he cannot bring out their full potential.
Naruto9001
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Hashi could barely beat ems madara now edo madara is on a whole nother level than ems madara.
Oh no you didn't
You forget that Old man Hiruzen was the strongest living Kage and he possessed the only thing he thought could possible stop them, Death God Summoning Jutsu. Edo Madara does not possess that to my knowledge so he will be facing three Kage level fighters who are all above the current Kages, with no power scaling or a barrier to restrict their movements, they will be able to unleash their full potential with no moral issues whatsoever. As you said, Orochimaro perfected Edo tensei, which means the zombies were as strong as they could possible get. On top of that, he also knew both Kages very well- experimented on them to point that he knew them better than themselves, probably( He even said this himself.).
Finally, don’t underestimate Madara's fear/respect for Hashirima plus his willingness to share his love letter publicly.
Their opinions do not matter. The manga stated that Orochimaru perfected Edo Tensei and that Hashirama can defeat Edo Madara. Let them think they are right(and we know they are wrong). U_U
Manga fact is manga fact. I don't care for your opinion.
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Madara can seal with a quick Banshou Tenin/human path combo. That's not a problem for him. Anyhow, the way this is being argued, all it's doing is improving the image of Hiruzen in my eyes.Oh no you didn't
You forget that Old man Hiruzen was the strongest living Kage and he possessed the only thing he thought could possible stop them, Death God Summoning Jutsu. Edo Madara does not possess that to my knowledge so he will be facing three Kage level fighters who are all above the current Kages, with no power scaling or a barrier to restrict their movements, they will be able to unleash their full potential with no moral issues whatsoever. As you said, Orochimaro perfected Edo tensei, which means the zombies were as strong as they could possible get. On top of that, he also knew both Kages very well- experimented on them to point that he knew them better than themselves, probably( He even said this himself.).
Finally, don’t underestimate Madara's fear/respect for Hashirima plus his willingness to share his love letter publicly.
blazekev90
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it shouldnt, all it shows was that plot was on his side and would have to on his side yet again. Nonetheless, Orochimaru was left standing and would be the one left standing once again
TiddlySkydiver
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I wish people would stop saying stuff about how much stronger Edo Madara is because we don't really know what happened in the battle with the 1st and Madara. And if Madara didn't think Hashirama could still stop him with Edo, with Perfect Susano, he wouldn't have said it atop the Perfect Susano, he would have said it before.
Of course, I do agree with the angle you're coming from. However, i'm saying that if an Old Man Hiruzen can give Oro and his Edos a good game, regardless of the approach Oro allows his Edos to take, then Edo Madara just, well.....
Also, regarding what Madara said, clear to see that he's only really speaking of Hashirama as the man who deserves to beat him. He still maintains that inner respect for the First Hokage, something which he does not seem to have for any other shinobi. You can take his words as you like, but Hashirama cannot jump from being marginally better than EMS Madara to being superior to Edo Madara (who is a fusion of both shinobis. Remember when people were arguing he should be called Madashirama etc?). He just can't.
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No one can beat Edo Madara apart from Edo rikudou sennin. Not even a lowlife like orochimaru who gets weaker by the day. Even if he summon the 1st and the 2nd, they'll all fail.
blazekev90
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This isnt solely on the 1st Hokage. We mention what Edo Madara stated as proof of the 1st Hokage alone being a mid-high challenge for the current Madara, adding his Edo brother and Orochimaru would simply be neither =or> match-up for Edo Madara
Madara has respect for him because he knows his power, while we can only try and put two-n-two together. His word is > anything we say because he knows the 1st power. Therefore, as a Edo 1st+2nd+Oro they will have a victory
Perhaps, but now you are just kind of guessing how strong those two would be under Orochimaru. They only have feats with regards to how they were vs Hiruzen. They do not even have, if you understand how I put this, 'Perfect Unrestricted Edo Hype' which we can use to gauge what their power could be. So I wouldn't really go down that route.
ANBU Kakashi23
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meh, ill save my judgement for when madara gives us a hashi flash back then, assuming madara he had perfect susanoo i dont see how hashi pulled it off, so his abilities are beyond my imagination i guess
Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage, period. I have always said this and as long as the manga/databook statements stay canon there’s no doubt in my mind that he was a monster in his prime. He was stronger than legendary fighters like the third Raikage, Onoki, Yagura, etc., plus he defeated the two, hyped to the max, power houses at the age of 69.
Anyway, the fight would be epic. Your scenario could come through however I also see Hashirama pulling out his darkness genjutsu before he could do that which would render Madara, momentarily, useless ( no real counter according to databook) and they could capitalize by restricting his movements. Tobirama would teleporting all over the place with massive water techniques following him around through the dimensions, and Orochimaro would go straight to Hydra.
blazekev90
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NO, their feats were simply limited to the power scale of part 1. There wouldnt have been any of this recently shown power in part 1 and you know this. The fact that Orochimaru still perfected the jutsu means that he could do use them to whatever limit he likes, as long as he has complete control over them.
Why are you trying to deny this man?
Edo Madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hashi..
Oro can't do squat to Edo Madara. He fails at using Hashi and Tobirama as Edo Tensei's.
Oro can't do squat to Edo Madara. He fails at using Hashi and Tobirama as Edo Tensei's.