[Discussion] Opinions, opinions, opinions

[Punk Hazard]

I'm not saying he can go for 11 hours straight now but it could and probably has been extended through the cracker fight. It was his second time using it and the more you use something the more you're accustomed to it plus I'm figuring that the steady extended use would help Luffy adjust to it quicker than random uses spread over long gaps of time. It's not a guarantee his limit expanded but I'm thinking it did.

It was not his second time using it. He used it before on the island Rayleigh trained him on, and stated he needed it to fight the beasts, so we knew he used it many times during the 2 year timeskip. That one fight with Cracker wouldn't logically push his skill with it so far that he'd receive some massive boost in using it.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

White beard vs akainu: def akainu ... he was the stronger of the two when they faught. Prime white-beard however is completely different story

Mihawk honestly I expect him to be around low admiral level tbh..
I think any of the yonko commanders should be able to at least give mid-semi high difficulty fight (marco being high diff)
(Other characters also would be the dukes doffy sabo etc)

Doffy is def still a good bit stronger then luffy. Especially in stamina durability/tanking (tank man being excluded lol) speed endurance etc.. luffy just has him in the physical strength Deparment and that's not even permanent.

I still feel sanji and zoro are damn near equal in strength I know imma get a lot of hate for this idc. I recognize that zoro is stronger however not by much I feel, so yeah zoro extreme diff


Ace I believe he did have Haki however the idea wasn't fully developed yet sort of why shanks instead of using Haki to negate the fish bite he took it and lost an arm


He held his own but ultimately lost because the two strongest (Jozu and Marco) have Df's

Whitebeard and Rodger are not directly > in garp however feel like they are stronger

Current strongest I mean it's kind of hard
There's shanks to think about then akainu by extension akoiji kaido of course but also kong ... I honestly don't think bb is that strong in the Haki department he never showed it so he at best should be at luffy level. I believe he just have really overwhelming df's

Current luffy > ace yes if he can put him down via gear forth interval if not then no

Admiral = yonko yes

 

[chopstickchakra]

It was not his second time using it. He used it before on the island Rayleigh trained him on, and stated he needed it to fight the beasts, so we knew he used it many times during the 2 year timeskip. That one fight with Cracker wouldn't logically push his skill with it so far that he'd receive some massive boost in using it.

Nice to know Oda. When ya gonna show us the reverie? An extra 10-15 minutes isn't that huge of a boost. As for logically, if you can wave for 20 minutes at a time before your arm just drops and you're put in a situation where you wave for 11 hours and when your arm feels tired you get a boost that picks you up and keep waving then at the end of that 11 hour ordeal once you heal you'd be able to wave for more than 20 minutes at a time. How long is an unknown variable which is why I said it's possible, because it is, regardless if you want to deny it's possibility because it's up to Oda how long he chooses to make Luffy's G4 limit after the Cracker incident, it's not up to either of us to say how big of a boost that fight gave him.

 

[Capn]

So... ironically, I've been right this whole time.

Lol

If by that you mean that my objective was clearly defined in my initial post, then yes.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nice to know Oda. When ya gonna show us the reverie? An extra 10-15 minutes isn't that huge of a boost.

B**** what?

Luffy says he fought the beasts for two whole years, and that he needed Gear Fourth to do it. [

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Rayleigh mentions Gear Fourth and Kong Gun by name, indicating that Luffy used it on the island, multiple times, since he said he took on the "others" with Gear Fourth[

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Also bear in mind that Rayleigh left the island Luffy was trianing on six months early[

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Now unless you think Luffy developed Gear Fourth, used it on the animals, developed King Kong Gun, and then never used it again for the following six months despite needing it before that AND stating that he fought for two years straight, which is retarded as hell, then he absolutely did use Gear Fourth way more than two times.

As for logically, if you can wave for 20 minutes at a time before your arm just drops and you're put in a situation where you wave for 11 hours

Stopping you here because this makes no ****ing sense.

How long is an unknown variable which is why I said it's possible, because it is, regardless if you want to deny it's possibility because it's up to Oda how long he chooses to make Luffy's G4 limit after the Cracker incident, it's not up to either of us to say how big of a boost that fight gave him.

And this makes it logical? lmao

 

[chopstickchakra]

B**** what?

Luffy says he fought the beasts for two whole years, and that he needed Gear Fourth to do it. [

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Rayleigh mentions Gear Fourth and Kong Gun by name, indicating that Luffy used it on the island, multiple times, since he said he took on the "others" with Gear Fourth[

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]. Others, meaning plural, meaning multiple fights, meaning multiple usages.

Also bear in mind that Rayleigh left the island Luffy was trianing on six months early[

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Now unless you think Luffy developed Gear Fourth, used it on the animals, developed King Kong Gun, and then never used it again for the following six months despite needing it before that AND stating that he fought for two years straight, which is retarded as hell, then he absolutely did use Gear Fourth way more than two times.

Dammit didn't realize how much I had deleted. I had in there that I meant it was the second use in combat. You bring up the animals but we never saw how those fights went and I doubt they'd compare to his fight with Doffy or even Cracker. Maybe Cracker.

Stopping you here because this makes no ****ing sense.

Riker for; I can't counter so I'll invalidate. If you can only do A for X amount of time but are forced to do A for Y amount of time after recuperating you will be able to do A a greater amount of time than X. Pushing yourself beyond your previous limits is exactly how you grow and build skill.

And this makes it logical? lmao

Why would that part make it logical? Good ol Riker, trying to misrepresent the parts of the argument in an attempt to marginalize the points rather than refute them. Maybe he realized how arrogant and foolish he sounded trying to assert how much of a gain Luffy got for G4 from his fight with Cracker as if he's writing the manga.


By the way, love the fact that you're the first person in this thread to challenge someone's opinions not only that you were the only one. It's like you see someone share something you don't agree with and something starts eating at you.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Dammit didn't realize how much I had deleted. I had in there that I meant it was the second use in combat. You bring up the animals but we never saw how those fights went and I doubt they'd compare to his fight with Doffy or even Cracker. Maybe Cracker.

They were straight fights. Luffy deadass says he FOUGHT those animals and NEEDED Gear Fourth to subdue them. Luffy had BANDAGES after fighting them and Kong Gun failed. It was just as much a fight as Luffy has had against Cracker and Doflamingo. No matter how you cut it, he used it in combat.

Riker for; I can't counter so I'll invalidate. If you can only do A for X amount of time but are forced to do A for Y amount of time after recuperating you will be able to do A a greater amount of time than X. Pushing yourself beyond your previous limits is exactly how you grow and build skill.

This doesn't apply when you have a special outside force that is supplementing how long you can use A. If Luffy used A for X amount of time, and then it used it for Y amount of time through his own natural growth, then it would be a sustained growth. Luffy sustaining it for Y amount of time because he had a constant fuel source does not translate to his body progressing with how he uses Gear Fourth. What you were saying makes no sense because you failed to include the factor of an external, special fuel source that Luffy does not have readily available.

Until Luffy naturally pushes his usage beyond the limits without a constant, external fuel source, then he's back at square one.

Why would that part make it logical? Good ol Riker, trying to misrepresent the parts of the argument in an attempt to marginalize the points rather than refute them. Maybe he realized how arrogant and foolish he sounded trying to assert how much of a gain Luffy got for G4 from his fight with Cracker as if he's writing the manga.

You literally replied to me saying it's illogical by saying that Oda can make it possible...if what you're saying doesn't refute the point that I made, then you're just talking out of your ass to fluff your argument.

That was the point of my post. I said it was illogical. You saying it's possible for Oda to make it happen does absolutely nothing to function as a reply to that.

By the way, love the fact that you're the first person in this thread to challenge someone's opinions not only that you were the only one. It's like you see someone share something you don't agree with and something starts eating at you.

Oh no I replied to something I didn't agree with on an open discussion made for that purpose.

Talk about having your sanctimonious head up your ass.

 

[Skull Knight]

So, I'm pretty new to the board and noticed that a few of you had some intriguing viewpoints that I've never encountered on quite a few topics. That got me thinking and now I'm pretty curious as to your takes on a few controversies.

OK.

10 questions.

1. Old Whitebeard vs Akainu- who won their bout at marineford? Who was stronger overall?

Technically speaking Akainu won because he was able to kill Ace as well as stop WB, but if u ask in a 1vs1 fight what would have happened then WB could have possibly killed Akainu.

2. Mihawk- Does the WSS title place him above Shanks? Is he Admiral+ or just Yonkou commander level, maybe lower?

He is not Yonko lvl. He is most probably Admiral Lvl.

3. Current Luffy > Doffy?

Most probably.

4. Zoro vs Sanji? What diff?

Zoro mid to high diff.

5. Ace- Haki or nah?

He had Conqueror Haki and I m sure he knew it very well.

6. The Payback war- Did BB stomp Marco or do you believe he held his own?

I think some of the low lvl division captains might be dead in that war. Marco would have tried his best but he couldn't stop BB.Seeing massive amount of destruction/damage remaining WB crew must have fleed which gave BB their territory.

7. Whitebeard and Roger > Garp?

They are in same tier

8. Who's the current strongest in the verse?

I will say BB since he got 2df, destroyed Rev base, crew is made of strong criminals(and they got DF now) and he is a d.

9. Current Luffy > Ace?

Yes

10. Admiral = Yonkou?

No

 

[Capn]

White beard vs akainu: def akainu ... he was the stronger of the two when they faught. Prime white-beard however is completely different story

Mihawk honestly I expect him to be around low admiral level tbh..
I think any of the yonko commanders should be able to at least give mid-semi high difficulty fight (marco being high diff)
(Other characters also would be the dukes doffy sabo etc)

Doffy is def still a good bit stronger then luffy. Especially in stamina durability/tanking (tank man being excluded lol) speed endurance etc.. luffy just has him in the physical strength Deparment and that's not even permanent.

I still feel sanji and zoro are damn near equal in strength I know imma get a lot of hate for this idc. I recognize that zoro is stronger however not by much I feel, so yeah zoro extreme diff


Ace I believe he did have Haki however the idea wasn't fully developed yet sort of why shanks instead of using Haki to negate the fish bite he took it and lost an arm


He held his own but ultimately lost because the two strongest (Jozu and Marco) have Df's

Whitebeard and Rodger are not directly > in garp however feel like they are stronger

Current strongest I mean it's kind of hard
There's shanks to think about then akainu by extension akoiji kaido of course but also kong ... I honestly don't think bb is that strong in the Haki department he never showed it so he at best should be at luffy level. I believe he just have really overwhelming df's

Current luffy > ace yes if he can put him down via gear forth interval if not then no

Admiral = yonko yes

What do you mean by "not directly >" in number 7?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

So, I'm pretty new to the board and noticed that a few of you had some intriguing viewpoints that I've never encountered on quite a few topics. That got me thinking and now I'm pretty curious as to your takes on a few controversies.

10 questions.

1. Old Whitebeard vs Akainu- who won their bout at marineford? Who was stronger overall?

Old WB is stronger overall but he ain't beating any top tier due to guaranteed heart attacks.

2. Mihawk- Does the WSS title place him above Shanks? Is he Admiral+ or just Yonkou commander level, maybe lower?

It places Mihawk above. Mihawk is the WSS and Shanks is a swordsman.

3. Current Luffy > Doffy?

No reason to believe so since G4 initally failed to put down Doffy and Luffy had help.

4. Zoro vs Sanji? What diff?

Zoro wins high diff.

5. Ace- Haki or nah?

Ace hasn't shwon or even implied that he could use CoA or CoO so no.

6. The Payback war- Did BB stomp Marco or do you believe he held his own?

Normally you would think so but it said Marco & his allies suffered a CRUSHING defeat.

7. Whitebeard and Roger > Garp?

I say they all were equals. WB was directly called Roger's equal and Garp m' Roger were rivals who almost killed each other many times. I'd give the edge to Roger through.

8. Who's the current strongest in the verse?

Kaido. He is directly stated & confirmed to be the strongest. Oda even said it in an SBS. The Shanks fanboys need to get over it.

9. Current Luffy > Ace?

Yes as Ace has barely shown anything like G4.

10. Admiral = Yonkou?

They are on the same level and will extreme diff each other for the most part.

 

[Itachi Minato]

So, I'm pretty new to the board and noticed that a few of you had some intriguing viewpoints that I've never encountered on quite a few topics. That got me thinking and now I'm pretty curious as to your takes on a few controversies.

10 questions.

1. Old Whitebeard vs Akainu- who won their bout at marineford? Who was stronger overall?
Akainu would have killed WB. WB was too old and ill to defeat any top tier at this point.

2. Mihawk- Does the WSS title place him above Shanks? Is he Admiral+ or just Yonkou commander level, maybe lower?
Possibly. Shanks has always been shown with a sword. However, Mihawk has said he won't fight Shanks anymore because he's lost an arm. Shanks might still be stronger.
3. Current Luffy > Doffy?
No. Luffy hasn't shown anything that can defeat doffy 1 on one.
4. Zoro vs Sanji? What diff?
Zoro, mid to high diff
5. Ace- Haki or nah?
Wasn't shown it but I would say he did
6. The Payback war- Did BB stomp Marco or do you believe he held his own?
If he stomped him he should have taken his DF. High diff win for BB.
7. Whitebeard and Roger > Garp?
All pretty much equal.
8. Who's the current strongest in the verse?
Kaido
9. Current Luffy > Ace?
Yea
10. Admiral = Yonkou? Extreme diff either way. Yonko probably just stronger

Answers in bold. And how can people say Luffy stronger than doffy? Luffy hasn't shown such improvement.

 

[ToshiZO]

1. Old Whitebeard vs Akainu- who won their bout at marineford? Who was stronger overall?

Akainu, WB was a liability on the battlefield soon as he took off his life support machinery.

2. Mihawk- Does the WSS title place him above Shanks? Is he Admiral+ or just Yonkou commander level, maybe lower?

Nope it doesn't. Mihawk should be a solid top tier.

3. Current Luffy > Doffy?

Nope. Maybe after WCI.

4. Zoro vs Sanji? What diff?

Zoro mid diff via current portrayal, feats, and hype.

5. Ace- Haki or nah?

Obviously yes.

6. The Payback war- Did BB stomp Marco or do you believe he held his own?

Doubt it was a complete stomp but the winner was prob decided before the battle began, there was no question who was gonna come out ontop. BB handily took it imo.

7. Whitebeard and Roger > Garp?

Yup, only man said to have equaled Roger. Why would Garp be = ?

8. Who's the current strongest in the verse?

Kaido "in a 1v1 bet on Kaido"

9. Current Luffy > Ace?

Same level, dunno who'd win, maybe Luffy.

10. Admiral = Yonkou?

Yeah

 

[chopstickchakra]

They were straight fights. Luffy deadass says he FOUGHT those animals and NEEDED Gear Fourth to subdue them. Luffy had BANDAGES after fighting them and Kong Gun failed. It was just as much a fight as Luffy has had against Cracker and Doflamingo. No matter how you cut it, he used it in combat.

They were fights for a Luffy just learning G4 with a smaller limit. Are you really gonna try and say with a straight face that those animals would give DR Luffy as hard of a fight as Doffy did? G4 beat those animals, multiple animals, G4 on it's own didn't beat Doffy. So how are the equal testings?

This doesn't apply when you have a special outside force that is supplementing how long you can use A. If Luffy used A for X amount of time, and then it used it for Y amount of time through his own natural growth, then it would be a sustained growth. Luffy sustaining it for Y amount of time because he had a constant fuel source does not translate to his body progressing with how he uses Gear Fourth. What you were saying makes no sense because you failed to include the factor of an external, special fuel source that Luffy does not have readily available.

Until Luffy naturally pushes his usage beyond the limits without a constant, external fuel source, then he's back at square one.

I love when you try to enforce real world dynamics onto a manga when it suits your stance but get on others for it and this time it's not even accurate. Just because you use an enhancer doesn't mean when you stop there's no lasting boost. If you use steroids for a period and then stop you'll have residual effects and be able to lift more than before you used the steroids.

You literally replied to me saying it's illogical by saying that Oda can make it possible...if what you're saying doesn't refute the point that I made, then you're just talking out of your ass to fluff your argument.

That was the point of my post. I said it was illogical. You saying it's possible for Oda to make it happen does absolutely nothing to function as a reply to that.

The logical part is that after an extended consistent use Luffy has a better idea how to regulate G4. Luffy had never had G4 active for more than 1 hour at a time so this experience, regardless of how it was fueled, would logically give Luffy a good learning experience that he could apply to future uses. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to argue anymore since you keep adding your own things we're arguing about as we go.

Oh no I replied to something I didn't agree with on an open discussion made for that purpose.

Talk about having your sanctimonious head up your ass.

Oh poor Riker, this is exactly what I was referring. Just because you see every discussion as an open argument yet to be initiated doesn't mean every thread here is an argument thread. This thread wasn't a discussion or debate thread the thread was between the OP and the person replying, everyone else seemed to get that.

And I like that you didn't agree with these guys enough to post to them despite them saying the same thing and saying it before I did which means you either read through theirs or scrolled past theirs to reply to me;

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1. About equal (WB might edge just a lil)

2. He is below shanks and admiral level.
3. Probably

4. Mid to high for now for zoro. Might change in future when zoro shows his true power.

5. Nah

6. Dunno. Probably mid diff.

7. In prime Roger > WB=Garp

8. Just speculation between shanks, BB and kaido.

9. Obviously

10. Admiral < Yonkou. Just a little.

Whitebeard was stronger. He won their bout while half dead already.

Of course

Could go either way for now. I'm waiting for a more evident jump point after his off-panel fight with Cracker

Zoro mid diffs

Of course, he displayed color of conqueror in his youth

I believe Marco held his own in his 1 on 1 but overall the Blackbeard pirates held an overwhelming victory. People often forget a 1 on 1 is different from a war

Of course. Garp has no hype even close to their own

Kaido, manga says so

I have Ace slightly stronger for now until proven wrong

I'd say on average a yonkou is slightly stronger than an admiral, but they are on the same level regardless

Bogard even used the same instance of Cracker I did.

But this guy was my favorite;

1. Akainu won. Akainu would kill old Whitebeard.

2. Yeah.

3. Possibly not

4. Zoro high-extreme diff

5. By all indications, no.

6. More than likely held his own

7. Eh, they're all in the same ballpark in their prime

8. Kaido

9. I believe so

10. For the most part, yes

Oh look it's you. And let's see what you said, Current Luffy>Doffy, possibly not. Possibly not means possibly too. So how is your possibly different than mine? I think you may have a problem mate. You just try to argue just to argue.

 

[Capn]

Same level, dunno who'd win, maybe Luffy.

Do you think he can compete with even Bounce Man?

 

[Punk Hazard]

They were fights for a Luffy just learning G4 with a smaller limit. Are you really gonna try and say with a straight face that those animals would give DR Luffy as hard of a fight as Doffy did? G4 beat those animals, multiple animals, G4 on it's own didn't beat Doffy. So how are the equal testings?

I never said they would give DR Luffy a hard fight, I said they were fights on the same level. Difficulty is relative. Dressrosa Luffy would stomp Rob Lucci, but the relative difficulty he had when he fought him was the same when he fought Cracker. Circa-timeskip Luffy more than likely had the same difficultly with the animals that Luffy had with Doffy, since he needed King Kong Gun for both.

I love when you try to enforce real world dynamics onto a manga when it suits your stance but get on others for it and this time it's not even accurate.

I didn't say real life dynamics didn't work, I said the example you tried to give makes no sense to this situation.

Just because you use an enhancer doesn't mean when you stop there's no lasting boost. If you use steroids for a period and then stop you'll have residual effects and be able to lift more than before you used the steroids.

Except when you stop using steroids, you fall back below your natural peak. The only way Luffy can sustain that growth is if he increases his body's natural peak. Unless Luffy has increased his body's natural capacity for Gear Fourth, he's just gonna fall right back to what it was before. Him extending it by eating Cracker's biscuits during that fight isn't gonna increase his body's natural capacity for it.

The logical part is that after an extended consistent use Luffy has a better idea how to regulate G4. Luffy had never had G4 active for more than 1 hour at a time so this experience, regardless of how it was fueled, would logically give Luffy a good learning experience that he could apply to future uses. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to argue anymore since you keep adding your own things we're arguing about as we go.

LMAO what. Luffy already know how Gear Fourth works and how to regulate it. HE CREATED IT. It literally runs on his stamina. Know how to improve his usage of it? Increasing his stamina. Increasing his body's natural capacity for it. Not...whatever this nonsense is.

Oh poor Riker, this is exactly what I was referring. Just because you see every discussion as an open argument yet to be initiated doesn't mean every thread here is an argument thread. This thread wasn't a discussion or debate thread the thread was between the OP and the person replying, everyone else seemed to get that.

It's a forum made for discussion and debate. If you don't want to do either, don't reply. Stop b****ing.

And I like that you didn't agree with these guys enough to post to them despite them saying the same thing and saying it before I did which means you either read through theirs or scrolled past theirs to reply to me;

Because there was no point in replying to them when I've had that argument countless times before? This was something new, so it stood out to me, so I replied to it.

Bogard even used the same instance of Cracker I did.

Neither of them said what you said that spurred me to reply though...

But this guy was my favorite;


Oh look it's you. And let's see what you said, Current Luffy>Doffy, possibly not. Possibly not means possibly too. So how is your possibly different than mine? I think you may have a problem mate. You just try to argue just to argue.

Wow. Real genius here.

I never disputed the fact that Luffy might have extended his natural capacity for Gear Fourth. I disputed that him lasting 11 hours against Cracker is an indication of that, since Gear Fourth was only extended during that fight because of special factors that wouldn't be present in other fights.

You literally said "He lasted 11 hours against Cracker, and that indicates he extended it." I replied saying that it doesn't.

This really can't be that confusing.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I never said they would give DR Luffy a hard fight, I said they were fights on the same level. Difficulty is relative. Dressrosa Luffy would stomp Rob Lucci, but the relative difficulty he had when he fought him was the same when he fought Cracker. Circa-timeskip Luffy more than likely had the same difficultly with the animals that Luffy had with Doffy, since he needed King Kong Gun for both.



I didn't say real life dynamics didn't work, I said the example you tried to give makes no sense to this situation.



Except when you stop using steroids, you fall back below your natural peak. The only way Luffy can sustain that growth is if he increases his body's natural peak. Unless Luffy has increased his body's natural capacity for Gear Fourth, he's just gonna fall right back to what it was before. Him extending it by eating Cracker's biscuits during that fight isn't gonna increase his body's natural capacity for it.



LMAO what. Luffy already know how Gear Fourth works and how to regulate it. HE CREATED IT. It literally runs on his stamina. Know how to improve his usage of it? Increasing his stamina. Increasing his body's natural capacity for it. Not...whatever this nonsense is.





It's a forum made for discussion and debate. If you don't want to do either, don't reply. Stop b****ing.



Because there was no point in replying to them when I've had that argument countless times before? This was something new, so it stood out to me, so I replied to it.

Neither of them said what you said that spurred me to reply though...


Wow. Real genius here.

I never disputed the fact that Luffy might have extended his natural capacity for Gear Fourth. I disputed that him lasting 11 hours against Cracker is an indication of that, since Gear Fourth was only extended during that fight because of special factors that wouldn't be present in other fights.

You literally said "He lasted 11 hours against Cracker, and that indicates he extended it." I replied saying that it doesn't.

This really can't be that confusing.

Brilliant, this whole thing is because you didn't understand what I said. "I disputed that him lasting 11 hours against Cracker is an indication of that," I didn't say him using it for 11 hours against Cracker was evidence it grew I said using it against Cracker for 11 hours could have given him a boost in time limit over his DR self.

And if you agree that he may have grown it since DR then what other way would there have been for it to grow besides the fight with Cracker?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Brilliant, this whole thing is because you didn't understand what I said. "I disputed that him lasting 11 hours against Cracker is an indication of that," I didn't say him using it for 11 hours against Cracker was evidence it grew

For one thing, yes you did.

Based on the gap at the end of DR I don't really see how he could be unless he's drastically extended his G4 duration, which is a possibility since he managed to keep it going for 11 hours against Cracker.

You literally said "since he managed to keep it going for 11 hours against Cracker" as the thing that tells you he possibly extended it.

I said using it against Cracker for 11 hours could have given him a boost in time limit over his DR self.

Secondly, even then, I'm saying it doesn't. Luffy had that boost in time limit during the fight because the amount of calories he had access to during that fight was sustained.

In any other fight, Luffy doesn't have that option. Unless he increased his stamina in some way, then Gear Fourth wouldn't be extended. The fight with Cracker doing extending Gear Fourth is illogical because his body's stamina wouldn't jump up from eating and then immediately burning a ton of calories in one sitting.

And if you agree that he may have grown it since DR then what other way would there have been for it to grow besides the fight with Cracker?

His natural stamina increasing? How would the fight against Cracker extend it in any way?

 

[chopstickchakra]

For one thing, yes you did.



You literally said "since he managed to keep it going for 11 hours against Cracker" as the thing that tells you he possibly extended it.



Secondly, even then, I'm saying it doesn't. Luffy had that boost in time limit during the fight because the amount of calories he had access to during that fight was sustained.

In any other fight, Luffy doesn't have that option. Unless he increased his stamina in some way, then Gear Fourth wouldn't be extended. The fight with Cracker doing extending Gear Fourth is illogical because his body's stamina wouldn't jump up from eating and then immediately burning a ton of calories in one sitting.


His natural stamina increasing? How would the fight against Cracker extend it in any way?

Yeah I knew what part you didn't understand showing doesn't change anything. I see how you could have read it that way but as I said that's not how I meant it.

You're the one who keeps mentioning stamina growing. That's not the only way he can extend the duration, Luffy could keep the same stamina level but have learned over that 11 hour period to be more efficient with the use his of his energy while in G4 thus extending his duration. You can have a tank of gas and fill it up to the same level(stamina) and one time it can burn through in 10 minutes another 25 minutes.

No you said his G4 limit may have increased("I never disputed the fact that Luffy might have extended his natural capacity for Gear Fourth.") and said it's illogical for it to have happened because of the Cracker fight. Well then how could it have increased if not for the Cracker fight?

 

[-Akuma-]

So, I'm pretty new to the board and noticed that a few of you had some intriguing viewpoints that I've never encountered on quite a few topics. That got me thinking and now I'm pretty curious as to your takes on a few controversies.

10 questions.

1. Old Whitebeard vs Akainu- who won their bout at marineford? Who was stronger overall?

2. Mihawk- Does the WSS title place him above Shanks? Is he Admiral+ or just Yonkou commander level, maybe lower?

3. Current Luffy > Doffy?

4. Zoro vs Sanji? What diff?

5. Ace- Haki or nah?

6. The Payback war- Did BB stomp Marco or do you believe he held his own?

7. Whitebeard and Roger > Garp?

8. Who's the current strongest in the verse?

9. Current Luffy > Ace?

10. Admiral = Yonkou?

1. WB won and WB was stronger.

2. Yeah

3. Yeah

4. Zoro and from what we've seen currently is med-dif but at their full power bump that to high-dif.

5. Yes

6. Probably held his own

7. Yes, the gap wasn't large though

8. Kaido

9. Yes

10. In general, yes but they are some exceptions.

 

[ToshiZO]

Do you think he can compete with even Bounce Man?

No, but he doesn't need to. He can still be > Luffy as a whole. Just like Doflamingo was.