It was not his second time using it. He used it before on the island Rayleigh trained him on, and stated he needed it to fight the beasts, so we knew he used it many times during the 2 year timeskip. That one fight with Cracker wouldn't logically push his skill with it so far that he'd receive some massive boost in using it.
Nice to know Oda. When ya gonna show us the reverie? An extra 10-15 minutes isn't that huge of a boost. As for logically, if you can wave for 20 minutes at a time before your arm just drops and you're put in a situation where you wave for 11 hours and when your arm feels tired you get a boost that picks you up and keep waving then at the end of that 11 hour ordeal once you heal you'd be able to wave for more than 20 minutes at a time. How long is an unknown variable which is why I said it's possible, because it is, regardless if you want to deny it's possibility because it's up to Oda how long he chooses to make Luffy's G4 limit after the Cracker incident, it's not up to either of us to say how big of a boost that fight gave him.
B**** what?
Stopping you here because this makes no ****ing sense.
And this makes it logical? lmao
Dammit didn't realize how much I had deleted. I had in there that I meant it was the second use in combat. You bring up the animals but we never saw how those fights went and I doubt they'd compare to his fight with Doffy or even Cracker. Maybe Cracker.
Riker for; I can't counter so I'll invalidate. If you can only do A for X amount of time but are forced to do A for Y amount of time after recuperating you will be able to do A a greater amount of time than X. Pushing yourself beyond your previous limits is exactly how you grow and build skill.
Why would that part make it logical? Good ol Riker, trying to misrepresent the parts of the argument in an attempt to marginalize the points rather than refute them. Maybe he realized how arrogant and foolish he sounded trying to assert how much of a gain Luffy got for G4 from his fight with Cracker as if he's writing the manga.
They were straight fights. Luffy deadass says he FOUGHT those animals and NEEDED Gear Fourth to subdue them. Luffy had BANDAGES after fighting them and Kong Gun failed. It was just as much a fight as Luffy has had against Cracker and Doflamingo. No matter how you cut it, he used it in combat.
This doesn't apply when you have a special outside force that is supplementing how long you can use A. If Luffy used A for X amount of time, and then it used it for Y amount of time through his own natural growth, then it would be a sustained growth. Luffy sustaining it for Y amount of time because he had a constant fuel source does not translate to his body progressing with how he uses Gear Fourth. What you were saying makes no sense because you failed to include the factor of an external, special fuel source that Luffy does not have readily available.
You literally replied to me saying it's illogical by saying that Oda can make it possible...if what you're saying doesn't refute the point that I made, then you're just talking out of your ass to fluff your argument.
Oh no I replied to something I didn't agree with on an open discussion made for that purpose.
OK.
Technically speaking Akainu won because he was able to kill Ace as well as stop WB, but if u ask in a 1vs1 fight what would have happened then WB could have possibly killed Akainu.
He is not Yonko lvl. He is most probably Admiral Lvl.
Most probably.
Zoro mid to high diff.
He had Conqueror Haki and I m sure he knew it very well.
I think some of the low lvl division captains might be dead in that war. Marco would have tried his best but he couldn't stop BB.Seeing massive amount of destruction/damage remaining WB crew must have fleed which gave BB their territory.
They are in same tier
I will say BB since he got 2df, destroyed Rev base, crew is made of strong criminals(and they got DF now) and he is a d.
Yes
No
Old WB is stronger overall but he ain't beating any top tier due to guaranteed heart attacks.
It places Mihawk above. Mihawk is the WSS and Shanks is a swordsman.
No reason to believe so since G4 initally failed to put down Doffy and Luffy had help.
Zoro wins high diff.
Ace hasn't shwon or even implied that he could use CoA or CoO so no.
Normally you would think so but it said Marco & his allies suffered a CRUSHING defeat.
I say they all were equals. WB was directly called Roger's equal and Garp m' Roger were rivals who almost killed each other many times. I'd give the edge to Roger through.
Kaido. He is directly stated & confirmed to be the strongest. Oda even said it in an SBS. The Shanks fanboys need to get over it.
Yes as Ace has barely shown anything like G4.
They are on the same level and will extreme diff each other for the most part.
Answers in bold. And how can people say Luffy stronger than doffy? Luffy hasn't shown such improvement.
Akainu, WB was a liability on the battlefield soon as he took off his life support machinery.
Nope it doesn't. Mihawk should be a solid top tier.
Nope. Maybe after WCI.
Zoro mid diff via current portrayal, feats, and hype.
Obviously yes.
Doubt it was a complete stomp but the winner was prob decided before the battle began, there was no question who was gonna come out ontop. BB handily took it imo.
Yup, only man said to have equaled Roger. Why would Garp be = ?
Kaido "in a 1v1 bet on Kaido"
Same level, dunno who'd win, maybe Luffy.
Yeah
They were fights for a Luffy just learning G4 with a smaller limit. Are you really gonna try and say with a straight face that those animals would give DR Luffy as hard of a fight as Doffy did? G4 beat those animals, multiple animals, G4 on it's own didn't beat Doffy. So how are the equal testings?
I love when you try to enforce real world dynamics onto a manga when it suits your stance but get on others for it and this time it's not even accurate. Just because you use an enhancer doesn't mean when you stop there's no lasting boost. If you use steroids for a period and then stop you'll have residual effects and be able to lift more than before you used the steroids.
The logical part is that after an extended consistent use Luffy has a better idea how to regulate G4. Luffy had never had G4 active for more than 1 hour at a time so this experience, regardless of how it was fueled, would logically give Luffy a good learning experience that he could apply to future uses. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to argue anymore since you keep adding your own things we're arguing about as we go.
Oh poor Riker, this is exactly what I was referring. Just because you see every discussion as an open argument yet to be initiated doesn't mean every thread here is an argument thread. This thread wasn't a discussion or debate thread the thread was between the OP and the person replying, everyone else seemed to get that.
Oh look it's you. And let's see what you said, Current Luffy>Doffy, possibly not. Possibly not means possibly too. So how is your possibly different than mine? I think you may have a problem mate. You just try to argue just to argue.
I never said they would give DR Luffy a hard fight, I said they were fights on the same level. Difficulty is relative. Dressrosa Luffy would stomp Rob Lucci, but the relative difficulty he had when he fought him was the same when he fought Cracker. Circa-timeskip Luffy more than likely had the same difficultly with the animals that Luffy had with Doffy, since he needed King Kong Gun for both.
I didn't say real life dynamics didn't work, I said the example you tried to give makes no sense to this situation.
Except when you stop using steroids, you fall back below your natural peak. The only way Luffy can sustain that growth is if he increases his body's natural peak. Unless Luffy has increased his body's natural capacity for Gear Fourth, he's just gonna fall right back to what it was before. Him extending it by eating Cracker's biscuits during that fight isn't gonna increase his body's natural capacity for it.
LMAO what. Luffy already know how Gear Fourth works and how to regulate it. HE CREATED IT. It literally runs on his stamina. Know how to improve his usage of it? Increasing his stamina. Increasing his body's natural capacity for it. Not...whatever this nonsense is.
It's a forum made for discussion and debate. If you don't want to do either, don't reply. Stop b****ing.
Because there was no point in replying to them when I've had that argument countless times before? This was something new, so it stood out to me, so I replied to it.
Neither of them said what you said that spurred me to reply though...
Wow. Real genius here.
For one thing, yes you did.
You literally said "since he managed to keep it going for 11 hours against Cracker" as the thing that tells you he possibly extended it.
Secondly, even then, I'm saying it doesn't. Luffy had that boost in time limit during the fight because the amount of calories he had access to during that fight was sustained.
His natural stamina increasing? How would the fight against Cracker extend it in any way?
Yeah I knew what part you didn't understand showing doesn't change anything. I see how you could have read it that way but as I said that's not how I meant it.
1. WB won and WB was stronger.
