[Discussion] Opinions, opinions, opinions

[Capn]

No, but he doesn't need to. He can still be > Luffy as a whole. Just like Doflamingo was.

How do you figure? I see Bounce Man demolishing Ace based on all feats regarding the two. Ace was relatively par with PTS BB speed-wise and was noticeably damaged by a few casual punches once his DF was out of order. God knows what a Kong Gun would do to him.

 

[ToshiZO]

How do you figure? I see Bounce Man demolishing Ace based on all feats regarding the two. Ace was relatively par with PTS BB speed-wise and was noticeably damaged by a few casual punches once his DF was out of order. God knows what a Kong Gun would do to him.

Don't know, I'm banking on portrayal. Pre skip feats usually don't carry over all too well post timeskip. I did say Maybe Luffy wins, that's because Ace doesn't seem that durable, though he has shown pretty good endurance fighting for 5 days against Jimbei as a rookie.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Don't know, I'm banking on portrayal. Pre skip feats usually don't carry over all too well post timeskip. I did say Maybe Luffy wins, that's because Ace doesn't seem that durable, though he has shown pretty good endurance fighting for 5 days against Jimbei as a rookie.

Ace's portrayal is conflicting. He showed no haki but as you said lasted 5 days against Jinbei? A water user whose FMK affects Logia users. The only reasonable way that fight should last that long is if Ace had haki to help overcome those pretty substantial weaknesses but it was never confirmed. People think because he fell pre skip it means he's weak but he fell to Teach a man who was able to damage Shanks before gaining the YYnM.

 

[ToshiZO]

Ace's portrayal is conflicting. He showed no haki but as you said lasted 5 days against Jinbei? A water user whose FMK affects Logia users. The only reasonable way that fight should last that long is if Ace had haki to help overcome those pretty substantial weaknesses but it was never confirmed. People think because he fell pre skip it means he's weak but he fell to Teach a man who was able to damage Shanks before gaining the YYnM.

Yea and the Ace who fought Jimbei for 5 days was a much weaker Rookie Ace, not the version we got to see. Jimbei was already a veteran of the NW so the gap between that Jimbei and the version we saw would not even be as close to as big as the gap between Rookie Ace and the version we saw.

At the absolute lowest of low balls, Ace was atleast stronger than Jimbei taking into account his growth rate. That alone places him comfortably around Zoro level. And that is with the lowball.

Then you factor in Oda had a chance to show Luffy surpassing or atleast managing to be on par with him via his bounty. Instead he left it 50 mil short of Ace's for no real reason, that as well as Ace being a year older than current Luffy at the time of his death. These things might imply Luffy might need to do a bit more before he has finally surpassed Ace.

 

[YellowFang]

10 questions.

1. Old Whitebeard vs Akainu- who won their bout at marineford? Who was stronger overall?

WB won but Akainu was stronger...

2. Mihawk- Does the WSS title place him above Shanks? Is he Admiral+ or just Yonkou commander level, maybe lower?

He may not be the strongest swordsman at this point but until challenged and defeated he remains the greatest swordsman of all...

3. Current Luffy > Doffy?

Maybe/ maybe not... With enough G4 otherwise Doffy wins...

4. Zoro vs Sanji? What diff?

High diff, Zoro(kinda obvious generally)

5. Ace- Haki or nah?

Yep, if he makes a reappearance in flashbacks he will have it, at least CoA and CoC...

6. The Payback war- Did BB stomp Marco or do you believe he held his own?

Held his own obviously but WB pirates heavily relied on WB's strength, reason why there was no first mate, just commanders and the gap between them and WB was huge...

7. Whitebeard and Roger > Garp?

Yep, they are in their own tier then comes the next lot of top-tiers...

8. Who's the current strongest in the verse?

Apparently, Kaido...

9. Current Luffy > Ace?

Luffy... Got far stronger feats

10. Admiral = Yonkou?

Somewhat...In the same tier, it can be A>B>C>A

 

[Capn]

Don't know, I'm banking on portrayal. Pre skip feats usually don't carry over all too well post timeskip. I did say Maybe Luffy wins, that's because Ace doesn't seem that durable, though he has shown pretty good endurance fighting for 5 days against Jimbei as a rookie.

Hm, he did stalemate Jinbei while much less experienced. Jinbei was already a notorious presence in the NW at that point as well, if I'm not mistaken. I can understand your position.

 

[Passerby]

I'm very happy that most people are saying Kaido is the strongest and not Shanks.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

So, I'm pretty new to the board and noticed that a few of you had some intriguing viewpoints that I've never encountered on quite a few topics. That got me thinking and now I'm pretty curious as to your takes on a few controversies.

10 questions.

1. Old Whitebeard vs Akainu- who won their bout at marineford? Who was stronger overall?

2. Mihawk- Does the WSS title place him above Shanks? Is he Admiral+ or just Yonkou commander level, maybe lower?

3. Current Luffy > Doffy?

4. Zoro vs Sanji? What diff?

5. Ace- Haki or nah?

6. The Payback war- Did BB stomp Marco or do you believe he held his own?

7. Whitebeard and Roger > Garp?

8. Who's the current strongest in the verse?

9. Current Luffy > Ace?

10. Admiral = Yonkou?

1. In my opinion, WB would have won and was stronger overall. But from there bout, Akainu obviously took the cake what with him still being alive.

2. Personally, Shanks could take him in a fight, but he is up there strength wise

3. Luffy has what it takes to go toe to toes with Doffy, even best him in G4. But due to his time limitations, Doffy could potentially still take the win. Think it's quite a stalement has it could go either way in this scenario.

4. Zorro is more brute strength whereas Sanji uses his head a bit more. Zoro, I also believe is FM.

5. Yes. He was shown with having it. Had he mastered AH? No, I don't think so.

6. Stomped. But I feel there was a bit of cheating going on... Think someone backstabbed Marco maybe.

7. NO. Garp was a freaking beast and anyone who says he wasn't is straight up tripping.

8. Shanks IMO

9. Most definitely... Luffy would trash ace with ease.

10. 1v1 an Admiral (like Akainu) has the potential to best a Yonkou, yes.