[VS] Onoki—Kitsuchi Versus Kisame—Mei

[Icelerate]

Intel is full, so Mei and Kisame are aware of earth sandwitch; highly doubt Kitsuchi would result in using this technique from match start given the conditions. Imo, he'll start with earth moving core to elevate himself followed by an earth golem in tandem with Onoki. I had to make the distance 20m because if it were to be like 30m+ then Team Iwa would destroy these two before the match even started. Onoki charges up Jinton, then Kitsuchi uses his doton beneath Kisames feet to throw off his aim with the GSB just like how he did to the Jubi to throw off it's TBB/laser. Anyways, Team Mist oddly enough, have the superior speed feats in nearly all of it's terms, so they'll put Team Iwa on the defensive off bat given the starting distance, which is why earth sandwitch isn't coming out any time soon. Any type of Doton wall will sheild Team Iwa from Kisame/Mei's suiton or Mei's lava style. Giving Kitsuchi flight pretty much negates his fighting style, so using earth moving core to elevate himself in order to avoid the hidden/acidic mist is more probable.

I agree that mountain sandwich isn't being used right off the bat. If Kitsuchi were to throw them off balance, I don't see why Kisame or Mei can't simply put chakra in their feat (

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) to retain balance. Not to mention Kisame can use suiton clones to hold the real Kisame to keep his aim right on target. If mist is already up, Onoki can't even see his opposition hence jinton becomes a risky business as a weak low AoE has a low chance of hitting his opponent while a large AoE may hit his opponent but he'll be drained considerably and preparing such a huge jinton will take time. Not to mention jinton gives off a noise (

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). This sound gives away Onoki's position to Mei while Kisame knows Kitsuchi's position due to samehada being able to sense chakra which will be easy considering Kitsuchi has a large amount of chakra which we once talked about. This allows Kisame to use a 50% water clone to go after Kitsuchi and engage him. Meanwhile, the real Kisame can target Onoki with GSB as he is prepping jinton. During this time, Mei can climb up to the same location where Kitsuchi is fighting the 50% Kisame clone and use her hidden mist over there to blind Kitsuchi or she simply attacks Kitsuchi alongside the 50% Kisame clone overwhelming him completely. By this time, Onoki will have stopped his jinton to avoid the suiton (

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to hold him and fly while the real Onoki preps jinton. This allows Onoki to use jinton while flying because the real Onoki is stationary but the clones holding him up can still fly. However as great as jinton is (

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) so a jinton cube that slowly expands and uses up a lot of chakra is useless except for getting rid of mist. The only way Onoki can effectively target his opponents is using his laser jinton which he can move around but he can't aim it properly at such small targets. The reason behind this is because Onoki himself is holding that giant beam of white opaque light in front of his face (

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). Onoki isn't a sensor and can't see through the thick white colour of jinton so he can't accurately aim it. Sure moving it around him in a circle guarantees he mows everything down in the battlefield but he can't do that in the air like he did against Madara's jukai koutan.

GSB absorbs chakra from any doton in Onoki or Kitsuchi's arsenal and if the doton comes straight from their mouth, it will be absorbed completely. I guess the doton wall stops the momentum of the GSB. The earth does not have chakra but to use doton, the doton user puts their chakra into the earth so while doton can't be absorbed it becomes ordinary earth which is less durable than chakra enhanced earth.

Btw, Kisame doesn't need to fuse with Samehada in order to utilize it's sensing capabilities. [

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]. So he'll do just fine in the hidden mist without having to fuse without a water source.

Thanks so Kisame and Mei win this mid difficulty.

Even though Team Mist can conceal themselves within the blinding mist and still fight effectively, how do they counter huge earth golems, huge AoE earth sandwitches, all the while Onoki's laser Jinton? While the oppositions Doton/flight practically counter all of team mists jutsu, other then WD, which I don't see Kisame using as long as Mei is around. Team Iwa takes it high-diff more times then not, imo.

Pretty sure I countered all that but I may go more in depth later on. I need to know just how durable the earth golems are, their speed/strength feats and other usages because I don't know much about them. Anyway

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and Asakujaku cancelled each other out so they are on par in terms of DC. Assuming that Asakujaku/Thousand feeding sharks are too weak to destroy an earth golem, the height of the thousand feeding sharks is so high that Gai and Kisame look like ants in comparison so these go above the earth golems and simply bypass its defence killing Kitsuchi or Onoki if they stand on top or hide behind the earth golem.

And I don't know whether some think If Kitsuchi gets the Flight Transfer ability and will be slow; but based on this

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. SO he will be able to dodge all of there long ranged attacks no diff along with Onoki since his(there) speed at top level is

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Okay I was curious as to how fast Onoki's teammates become while in the air so thanks for pointing that out. Do bear in mind that Kitsuchi being in midair means he no longer has a way of fighting Mei or Kisame.

Onoki destroys Kisame in Close combat for the simple fact:

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One touch on Samahada or kisame equals useless the entire match. And if either attempts to punch with brute force he can do the opposite and make

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. Basically he will block and make any would be blow child's play since Kisame strikes super slow. SO Onoki>Kisame in CLose combat.

The OP states that full intel is provided so this can be avoided as no one is forcing Kisame to fight Onoki in CQC. Furthermore, Onoki makes things heavy via chakra which can not only be absorbed by samehada when in range but Kisame's own skin can do the same.

We all know Mountain Smash is the win button on Iwa side. Many will say "he can't do it in close range because he'd smash onoki." but fail to realize Onoki and Kitsuchi will simply lower the part they are at under ground level and Allow the two mountains to crush anything above ground.

Your premise states that Onoki and Kitsuchi will be above ground level in the air and now you suddenly backtrack thus self refuting your arguments.

 

[Draegod]

Okay I was curious as to how fast Onoki's teammates become while in the air so thanks for pointing that out. Do bear in mind that Kitsuchi being in midair means he no longer has a way of fighting Mei or Kisame.

He can fly when he needs to but still fight normally like he would if didn't have the ability to fly. Or simply hover close to the ground and touch the earth when needing to do a Earth Tech like onoki does all the time.

The OP states that full intel is provided so this can be avoided as no one is forcing Kisame to fight Onoki in CQC. Furthermore, Onoki makes things heavy via chakra which can not only be absorbed by samehada when in range but Kisame's own skin can do the same.

-_____- That damn full intel!!!!! It's all good though. Samaha only adsorbs exposed chakra, and Onoki doesn't expose any chakra when he touches and makes what ever he wants light or heavy.

Your premise states that Onoki and Kitsuchi will be above ground level in the air and now you suddenly backtrack thus self refuting your arguments.

And it takes no time to go from air to land as seen when Onoki was almost instantly behind Muu

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. SO no i didnt refute myself, as clearly they can hover and instantly go to the ground in no time and it isn't impossible in the slightest.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Samehada eats the chakra propelling the earth forward like an egg for breakfest, next? Earth Sandwich? Uh. Subterranean voyage once more. Fusing with the sword, or putting it out in front of him to absorb the chakra of the walls then turning them into a liquid? Literally, just fusing works.

It's also unlikely Kitsuchi will utilize that considering he isn't aware of Kisame's capabilities, and there can always be a shroud of mist up. Giving the shark the edge when he makes his next lunge.
Please sir, refer to my sig for the bolded.

Samehada doesn't take it upon itself to absorb chakra without Kisames consent... I have quite a few examples where chakra could of been absorbed but wasn't. By the time the earth rises above his feet to catch him unbalanced, it'll be too late. I'm a little skeptical with Kisame absorbing the chakra from an entire earth sandwitch and making it completely useless... but I suppose I won't argue against it. Intel is full, so Kitsuchi does know Kisames capabilites. If Kisame avoids the large AoE earth sandwitch, common sense Kisame went underground. So I don't see why wouldn't Kitsuchi utilize that here.

Onoki destroys Kisame in Close combat for the simple fact:

....LOL. You hate Kisame soooo much. That ultra-weighted rock technique won't work on Kisame nor Samehada.... he's pouring chakra into two chakra absorbing entities. And yes, they can absorb chakra that isn't visibly present [

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].

Btw, how does Team Iwa utilize Doton if Kisame covers the terrain in water, like in your scenario? They have to be in contact with the earth. Though, I do see Team Iwa winning this more times then not.

I agree that mountain sandwich isn't being used right off the bat. If Kitsuchi were to throw them off balance, I don't see why Kisame or Mei can't simply put chakra in their feat (

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) to retain balance. Not to mention Kisame can use suiton clones to hold the real Kisame to keep his aim right on target. If mist is already up, Onoki can't even see his opposition hence jinton becomes a risky business as a weak low AoE has a low chance of hitting his opponent while a large AoE may hit his opponent but he'll be drained considerably and preparing such a huge jinton will take time. Not to mention jinton gives off a noise (

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). This sound gives away Onoki's position to Mei while Kisame knows Kitsuchi's position due to samehada being able to sense chakra which will be easy considering Kitsuchi has a large amount of chakra which we once talked about. This allows Kisame to use a 50% water clone to go after Kitsuchi and engage him. Meanwhile, the real Kisame can target Onoki with GSB as he is prepping jinton. During this time, Mei can climb up to the same location where Kitsuchi is fighting the 50% Kisame clone and use her hidden mist over there to blind Kitsuchi or she simply attacks Kitsuchi alongside the 50% Kisame clone overwhelming him completely. By this time, Onoki will have stopped his jinton to avoid the suiton (

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to hold him and fly while the real Onoki preps jinton. This allows Onoki to use jinton while flying because the real Onoki is stationary but the clones holding him up can still fly. However as great as jinton is (

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only

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) so a jinton cube that slowly expands and uses up a lot of chakra is useless except for getting rid of mist. The only way Onoki can effectively target his opponents is using his laser jinton which he can move around but he can't aim it properly at such small targets. The reason behind this is because Onoki himself is holding that giant beam of white opaque light in front of his face (

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). Onoki isn't a sensor and can't see through the thick white colour of jinton so he can't accurately aim it. Sure moving it around him in a circle guarantees he mows everything down in the battlefield but he can't do that in the air like he did against Madara's jukai koutan.

GSB absorbs chakra from any doton in Onoki or Kitsuchi's arsenal and if the doton comes straight from their mouth, it will be absorbed completely. I guess the doton wall stops the momentum of the GSB. The earth does not have chakra but to use doton, the doton user puts their chakra into the earth so while doton can't be absorbed it becomes ordinary earth which is less durable than chakra enhanced earth.

Thanks so Kisame and Mei win this mid difficulty.

Pretty sure I countered all that but I may go more in depth later on. I need to know just how durable the earth golems are, their speed/strength feats and other usages because I don't know much about them. Anyway

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and Asakujaku cancelled each other out so they are on par in terms of DC. Assuming that Asakujaku/Thousand feeding sharks are too weak to destroy an earth golem, the height of the thousand feeding sharks is so high that Gai and Kisame look like ants in comparison so these go above the earth golems and simply bypass its defence killing Kitsuchi or Onoki if they stand on top or hide behind the earth golem.

Assuming Kisame somehow see's it coming, how is transfering chakra under Kisames feet going to help him maintain balance

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. The doton will effect the stability off his entire body, not just his feet. And I don't see Kisame having enough time to utilze GSB then create Mizu Bunshins just to keep his stability by the time he realizes the doton under his feet and Jinton is being fired at him. That's too much. If anything Mei would have to pressure Kitsuchi with Water Dragon so this doesn't happen. Mizu Bunshins can't go too far from the originals body [

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], so from a 20m starting distance, if Kitsuchi backs up and/or elevates himself 30+ meters or so into the air, there is a good chance the Bunshins can't reach him. Second, if the bunshin or Mei try to fire any type of suiton at him it gets

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easily. Also, I highly doubt Mei (and possibly the Mizu bunshins, if it can reach) will be able to successfully accomplish anything if she approaches Kitsuchi in CQC. One, Kitsuchi can simply create a Rock Golem or two for aid, and two, he was fast enough to intercept Ginkaku in V2 [

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] so he should be fine fending Mei off. Since it's full intel Onoki knows fully well firing off Jinton recklessly is going to do him more harm then good, which is why relying on Kitsuchi to use his massive doton in tandem with Onoki is pivatol.

Unfortunately, the golems don't really have a lot of feats. There movement speed doesn't seem to be very fast, but not extremely slow either [

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]. That's also it's only strength feat, effortlessly ripping zetsu off it's body and consuming it. But they do have pretty good durability

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, so I highly doubt an attack with the elemental disadvantage will destroy it.

 

[Europa]

@FT/Drae: I'll repy to you clowns later, prepare your b holes.

 

[Icelerate]

He can fly when he needs to but still fight normally like he would if didn't have the ability to fly. Or simply hover close to the ground and touch the earth when needing to do a Earth Tech like onoki does all the time.

That makes sense and is a good strategy. Going all the way to the sky is a stupid idea but hovering near ground level gives them both the best of both worlds.

-_____- That damn full intel!!!!! It's all good though. Samaha only adsorbs exposed chakra, and Onoki doesn't expose any chakra when he touches and makes what ever he wants light or heavy.

Well FT posted something that refutes that argument but regardless take a look at how Kisame can absorb chakra by

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And it takes no time to go from air to land as seen when Onoki was almost instantly behind Muu

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. SO no i didnt refute myself, as clearly they can hover and instantly go to the ground in no time and it isn't impossible in the slightest.

K makes sense. I thought you made two different scenarios which is okay but then the counters to each set of abilities would be a bit different and not simultaneous. Your scenario is plausible.

Assuming Kisame somehow see's it coming, how is transfering chakra under Kisames feet going to help him maintain balance

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. The doton will effect the stability off his entire body, not just his feet. And I don't see Kisame having enough time to utilze GSB then create Mizu Bunshins just to keep his stability by the time he realizes the doton under his feet and Jinton is being fired at him. That's too much. If anything Mei would have to pressure Kitsuchi with Water Dragon so this doesn't happen. Mizu Bunshins can't go too far from the originals body [

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], so from a 20m starting distance, if Kitsuchi backs up and/or elevates himself 30+ meters or so into the air, there is a good chance the Bunshins can't reach him. Second, if the bunshin or Mei try to fire any type of suiton at him it gets

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easily. Also, I highly doubt Mei (and possibly the Mizu bunshins, if it can reach) will be able to successfully accomplish anything if she approaches Kitsuchi in CQC. One, Kitsuchi can simply create a Rock Golem or two for aid, and two, he was fast enough to intercept Ginkaku in V2 [

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] so he should be fine fending Mei off. Since it's full intel Onoki knows fully well firing off Jinton recklessly is going to do him more harm then good, which is why relying on Kitsuchi to use his massive doton in tandem with Onoki is pivatol.

In order to destabilize the footing right under Kisame's feat, Kitsuchi inserts chakra into the ground to manipulate it. Kisame feat absorb that chakra easily as

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. Samehada will sense the chakra going into the ground so Kisame will be prepared for it. Kisame could even have a few clones surrounding him and have all of them absorb the chakra in the ground. Mizu bunshins come before GSB, just letting you know. If Mei pressures Kitsuchi with a water dragon, he'll end up redirecting both her and Kisame's attack allowing Onoki to wrap things up so I doubt she'll waste a water dragon like that. Thanks for letting me know that Mizu bunshins have a range limit, I didn't know that but I'll adjust my strategy later on. Mei isn't going to fight Kitsuchi in CQC except maybe to prevent him from forming hand seals. Rock fists from Kitsuchi will give him the advantage in CQC against her. My original point was that Kisame clones can fight Kitsuchi in CQC and then have Mei catch Kitsuchi off guard with a jutsu.

Since water clones don't have good range and even if they can operate 50 m away from Kisame, I'll admit they'd be extremely weak so I'll tell you my new argument. At the start of the fight, Mei uses mist, Kisame makes several Mizu bunshin, Onoki grants Kitsuchi flight and Kitsuchi raises the earth to grant them higher elevation over Mei and Kisame to escape the mist. Kisame knowing Kitsuchi's location uses his clones to throw Mei into Kitsuchi and Onoki's position all the while he himself climbs up the raised earth. Mei and Kisame are initially concealed so when they pop up into the opposition's elevated height, they'll be caught off guard. At this point, Onoki and Kitsuchi are better off going into the air but there is a chance that both of them stay on ground and there is also a chance Onoki goes into the air leaving Kitsuchi on the ground. Regardless, from this point on, the fight has three different scenarios.

Scenario 1: They both fly away. If this happens, like Draegod said, they'll be able to use their flight speed to dodge the opposition's ninjutsu. Being faster than the opposition through flight, Onoki and Kitsuchi can create a large distance and then go back on the ground allowing the usage of mountain sandwich and jinton without the possibility of interruption. This is pretty much GG for Mei while Kisame may tunnel underground via

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to try launching a surprise attack. Regardless Kisame obviously loses this 2 VS 1 so I'll stop here.

Scenario 2: Onoki goes up in the air while Kitsuchi fends Mei off. At a relatively close range, Mei would spank Kitsuchi due to superior hand seals so he won't get the chance to pull off an earth wall. I'll assume Kitsuchi had enough time to create an earth golem in the time it took for Mei to get to Kitsuchi's position.

Mei's hand seal speed​

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susanoo away,

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. While the wall of water was still in midair and before gravity could do its work to bring it down, she executed another set of hand seals to transform the water wall into a water dragon. The water dragon ended up hitting Madara's susanoo despite it getting smashed away by Tsunade a sequence of events ago which would have been sent far away had it not been for Mei's fast jutsu execution.

BTW bare in mind that Mei can easily adjust her aim while lava or water is still coming out of her mouth so unless Kitsuchi can move faster than Mei can adjust her aim, he'll get finished off. If he tries hiding behind the golem, what prevents Mei from going behind it herself? Kitsuchi will have to go in the air to escape Mei's relentless attacks.

Meanwhile Kisame will engage Onoki and it will most likely be a stalemate.

Whatever I'm too lazy to post, I may update this post later on.

Unfortunately, the golems don't really have a lot of feats. There movement speed doesn't seem to be very fast, but not extremely slow either [

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]. That's also it's only strength feat, effortlessly ripping zetsu off it's body and consuming it. But they do have pretty good durability

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, so I highly doubt an attack with the elemental disadvantage will destroy it.

That was just a C1 missile and the C2 missile that Sasuke tanked at the cost of a wing was much stronger due to having far greater AoE. Regardless, that golem seems pretty damaged to me but then again, it was Akatsuchi's golem which is not as strong as Onoki's.

 

[Djordje]

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