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You don't wear it in the middle of the city but you do on a ship

Oh btw, you are aware, that Kishimoto hardly gives any F*cks about the fans and what they want right? Because the moment you start giving a f*ck about the fans and what they want in a story you are writing and coming up with.. you start doing fanservice, with boob shots/ass shots/pirates wearing panties in a fight and so on.

Kishimoto is a family guy, Oda isn't. Hence why you can see a big difference between how they write stuff. And by family guy i'm referring to their style of writing, and how Kishi focuses on bonds more than anything else.
 
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Oh btw, you are aware, that Kishimoto hardly gives any F*cks about the fans and what they want right? Because the moment you start giving a f*ck about the fans and what they want in a story you are writing and coming up with.. you start doing fanservice, with boob shots/ass shots/pirates wearing panties in a fight and so on.

Kishimoto is a family guy, Oda isn't. Hence why you can see a big difference between how they write stuff. And by family guy i'm referring to their style of writing, and how Kishi focuses on bonds more than anything else.
No Kishi started not giving a f*ck because he doesn't like writing Naruto Shippuden and he's in it for the money. Yes there is a big difference between the two, one can write (Oda) and the other one can't (Kishi). Kishi's writing was much much better in Naruto part 1.
 

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No Kishi started not giving a f*ck because he doesn't like writing Naruto Shippuden and he's in it for the money. Yes there is a big difference between the two, one can write (Oda) and the other one can't (Kishi). Kishi's writing was much much better in Naruto part 1.

@Bold, sorry but there is a time and place for hating on someone. And make sure you do it so it doesn't counter their actual statements.

Yea the big difference is Kishi can draw, Oda can't.

And no fans of Naruto in my college all prefer the matured themed Shippuden over the childish part 1. Same for one piece...

Part 2 > Part 1
 

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@Bold, sorry but there is a time and place for hating on someone. And make sure you do it so it doesn't counter their actual statements.

Yea the big difference is Kishi can draw, Oda can't.

And no fans of Naruto in my college all prefer the matured themed Shippuden over the childish part 1. Same for one piece...

Part 2 > Part 1

Ahhhh yess. The Naruto fans in your college (1-3) comprise of the entire Naruto-fandom, correct? Nice generalizing there.

Naruto part 1 was a lot more better than Shippuden because of several of reasons...

1.) No BS asspulls or power-ups
2.) Fewer plot-holes
3.) Majority of the fights involve a good level of strategy which gave it that "ninja" feel to it.
4.) Transformation jutsu's actually made fights on a huger scale
5.) A lot more innovation was brought to the series. This one is obvious since it is the start but Shippuden did nothing to improve upon part 1. In fact, Naruto Shippuden's TS was straight out trash and KOL explains it perfectly.

[video=youtube;9npQH0nQDtw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9npQH0nQDtw[/video]

Watch it, or at least the Naruto portion of it. OP (TS) > Naruto Shippuden (TS)
 

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Ahhhh yess. The Naruto fans in your college (1-3) comprise of the entire Naruto-fandom, correct? Nice generalizing there.

Naruto part 1 was a lot more better than Shippuden because of several of reasons...

1.) No BS asspulls or power-ups
2.) Fewer plot-holes
3.) Majority of the fights involve a good level of strategy which gave it that "ninja" feel to it.
4.) Transformation jutsu's actually made fights on a huger scale
5.) A lot more innovation was brought to the series. This one is obvious since it is the start but Shippuden did nothing to improve upon part 1. In fact, Naruto Shippuden's TS was straight out trash and KOL explains it perfectly.

[video=youtube;9npQH0nQDtw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9npQH0nQDtw[/video]

Watch it, or at least the Naruto portion of it. OP (TS) > Naruto Shippuden (TS)

KOL's rant videos and manga reviews are one of the most horrible on youtube rofl. You could have atleast tried Swayer.. lol.

Yes just like how you symbolize the entire fandom right? rofl.

1. Don't exist in part 2. If you had intelligence you would be able to connect them. Don't get me started on one piece

2. Funny that NAruto as a series hardly has any.

3. Sure they do.. seeing that as majority of the fights in part 1 were basically mano e mano.. unlike part 2 where strategy was the main theme in fights.

4. No its just called transitioning from kids fighting to adults fighting.

5. TS wasn't suppose to be as grand, nor was it hyped up to be grand. It was simply to skip years so he can focus on a teenager Naruto..
 

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Oh btw, you are aware, that Kishimoto hardly gives any F*cks about the fans and what they want right? Because the moment you start giving a f*ck about the fans and what they want in a story you are writing and coming up with.. you start doing fanservice, with boob shots/ass shots/pirates wearing panties in a fight and so on.

Kishimoto is a family guy, Oda isn't. Hence why you can see a big difference between how they write stuff. And by family guy i'm referring to their style of writing, and how Kishi focuses on bonds more than anything else.

oh I was hoping you were gonna say that :D

do pelase tell me what do you think draws more fans in:
1. the mild bikini fanservice Oda does, or
2. the everlasting shipping wars mainly ignited by Kishi

do pelase tell me are there more threads about:
1. Nami and Robin wearing a bikini, or
2. OMFG SAKURA JUST GAVE NARUTO MOUTH TO MOUTH, OMG HINATA AND NARUTO HELD HANDS, OMG THEY WILL ... THEY WONT ... THEY WILL ... THEY WONT ... WHOT HE F CARES ABOUT MADARA WE WANT NARUHINA!!!!! if you are actually a Naruto fan you know that the shipping is probably keeping more fans interested in the story than the actual story of Naruto

shipping is also a fanservice so don't pretend like Kishi is innocent and don't try to argue waht I said because every single Naruto forum + youtube + .... prove my point 100%

have a nice day ;)
 
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Yes, i'm everything you said.

-sigh-.

This is what happens when fans get hurt over their precious manga having flaws according to other people. And its not even that they are illogical.. its simply because you like them, while the flaws are true.

1. Noone said they can't draw a woman in a bikini. Time to go reread the arguments being presented. Read CCV's post that pretty much ends this argument on women.

2. Never knew your gf = all the females there. And never knew your girl watches one piece because of the girls.. And what do you expect her to say?

3. So right now you are claiming, if Oda started drawing guy's with boners every chapter, you wouldn't mind?

Trying to act like you are the guy who is simply laughing and not taking this serious really doesn't help you in a argument.. just so you know.

What? You can't even get what i'm saying? I never said a thing about you there? My first sentence was actually about One Piece. Nothing to do with you?

And I will definitely defend my favourite manga. Don't see why I wouldn't o_O

I never ever said my gf represents every women did I? It was this thing called an example. Ever heard of it?
Amd the rest of that sentence makes no sense o_O
And never knew your girl watches one piece because of the girls.. And what do you expect her to say?
No, my gf doesn't read One Piece at all. Reread my sentence. And what do I expect her to say? About the half dressed girls? Nothing. Because she knows i'm not sexually attracted to a drawing?

And no. I wouldn't care at all. I'm comfortable with that since i'm a pretty mature person (may sound cocky)

And coming across as the guy who clearly desperately wants some female attention doesn't exactly help you either xD
The amount of people laughing at this thread and you must be in double digits, seriously. This thread is ridiculous. A mountain out of a molehill.

Plus, again, I have yet to see an actual female member at all get annoyed over this? Quote me a post from a female where they are complaining about this. Then I will continue. Otherwise, you are clearly trying to falsely talk for all women.
 
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KOL's rant videos and manga reviews are one of the most horrible on youtube rofl. You could have atleast tried Swayer.. lol.

Yes just like how you symbolize the entire fandom right? rofl.

1. Don't exist in part 2. If you had intelligence you would be able to connect them. Don't get me started on one piece

2. Funny that NAruto as a series hardly has any.

3. Sure they do.. seeing that as majority of the fights in part 1 were basically mano e mano.. unlike part 2 where strategy was the main theme in fights.

4. No its just called transitioning from kids fighting to adults fighting.

5. TS wasn't suppose to be as grand, nor was it hyped up to be grand. It was simply to skip years so he can focus on a teenager Naruto..

You just completely ignored the video cause you know it's true. No, I wasn't generalizing myself as the entire fandom; it's just my opinion. I know artwork is something that's opinionated but OP artwork is much more detailed than Naruto's. I could post Code's video on "Naruto's artwork vs. OP's artwork" but seeing as how you're a narutard you won't even watch it.

1. What asspulls where there in OP? Half of Madara/Naruto's powerups where asspulls like Kyuubi mode. Some stuff aren't explained like how Itachi even got those legendary weapons and how Oro. came back AFTER being sealed for life from those legendary weapons. Naruto Shippuden is full of sh*t.
2. It does have them... Like Obito being Tobi and somehow being able to compete with Minato/extract the nine-tails a FEW years later. That doesn't even make sense and don't give him that senju DNA BS. That's just a way of Kishi explaining unexplained concepts and you morons eat it up.
3. Part 2 didn't involve that much strategy at all. All we see is Naruto spam a different variation of the same attack. Pathetic.
4. That doesn't even make sense. What does their age have to do with it being a large scale battle. If anything it should make it even larger since they're more experienced.
5. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL do you even know what the f*ck you're talking about? Naruto's TS WAS hyped like any other TS's.
 
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if you don't like OP art it's your problem but that OP art is much better than Naruto art isn't even an argument lol, Naruto's artstyle would best be described as ''just another manga art-style'' just like countless other manga out there just like Bleach and FT

Naruto art style described with 3 words: blank, restrictive and generic

OP art style described with 3 words: unique, detailed and imaginative

being ''real like'' is not a standard for quality ... ever seen Picasso?
 
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if you don't like OP art it's your problem but that OP art is much better than Naruto art isn't even an argument lol, Naruto's artstyle would best be described as ''just another manga art-style'' just like countless other manga out there just like Bleach and FT

Naruto art style described with 3 words: blank, restrictive and generic

OP art style described with 3 words: unique, detailed and imaginative

being ''real like'' is not a standard for quality ... ever seen Picasso?
Now who said i don't like it?

And unique? what are you on about? rofl. Since when is OP art unique? rofl

Bleach and Naruto don't even have the same art style.. holy sh*t.
 

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What? You can't even get what i'm saying? I never said a thing about you there? My first sentence was actually about One Piece. Nothing to do with you?

And I will definitely defend my favourite manga. Don't see why I wouldn't o_O

I never ever said my gf represents every women did I? It was this thing called an example. Ever heard of it?
Amd the rest of that sentence makes no sense o_O
No, my gf doesn't read One Piece at all. Reread my sentence. And what do I expect her to say? About the half dressed girls? Nothing. Because she knows i'm not sexually attracted to a drawing?

And no. I wouldn't care at all. I'm comfortable with that since i'm a pretty mature person (may sound cocky)

And coming across as the guy who clearly desperately wants some female attention doesn't exactly help you either xD
The amount of people laughing at this thread and you must be in double digits, seriously. This thread is ridiculous. A mountain out of a molehill.

Plus, again, I have yet to see an actual female member at all get annoyed over this? Quote me a post from a female where they are complaining about this. Then I will continue. Otherwise, you are clearly trying to falsely talk for all women.
But why would people bother creating a big mess.. Hell this thread wasn't even a big mess until yall started showing rofl.

As i said the whole fanservice is a irrelvant small part about one piece that i don't like. You actually think i give a F*ck about those things? no.. I simply made the thread about the irrelevant things to the main storyline that are annoying..

And hardly any one piece female fans on here. And even if they were to say something, your buddies would constantly bash them with other excuses. #Facts.

Yes because talking and defending about females = wanting female attention.. Are you like 14? lol. Or just never grew up in the real world.


You just completely ignored the video cause you know it's true. No, I wasn't generalizing myself as the entire fandom; it's just my opinion. I know artwork is something that's opinionated but OP artwork is much more detailed than Naruto's. I could post Code's video on "Naruto's artwork vs. OP's artwork" but seeing as how you're a narutard you won't even watch it.

1. What asspulls where there in OP? Half of Madara/Naruto's powerups where asspulls like Kyuubi mode. Some stuff aren't explained like how Itachi even got those legendary weapons and how Oro. came back AFTER being sealed for life from those legendary weapons. Naruto Shippuden is full of sh*t.
2. It does have them... Like Obito being Tobi and somehow being able to compete with Minato/extract the nine-tails a FEW years later. That doesn't even make sense and don't give him that senju DNA BS. That's just a way of Kishi explaining unexplained concepts and you morons eat it up.
3. Part 2 didn't involve that much strategy at all. All we see is Naruto spam a different variation of the same attack. Pathetic.
4. That doesn't even make sense. What does their age have to do with it being a large scale battle. If anything it should make it even larger since they're more experienced.
5. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL do you even know what the f*ck you're talking about? Naruto's TS WAS hyped like any other TS's.

Yes i have ignored a video that is more than a year old and on which i have even argued on before.. yes nice to know that. Yes i'm a narutard even though my fav has always been One piece.. Nice nice.. I just can't talk about the small things that annoy me, without being a narutard.

1. Persoanlly i don't believe in asspulls, however, the logic you "logical" members like to use for asspulls i'm gonna apply it to one piece. Zoro's swordsmanship getting new skills out of nowhere = asspull (cutting metal in a fight when he couldn't before), Luffy's gear 2 = ass pull. Sanji flying = asspull.

2. So how does that no make sense? And sadly you are a moron who himself doesn't realize the difference between SENJU DNA and Hashirama's dna..

3. As i said don't talk about sh*t that you don't know about and fail to use logic on.

4. Yea age has nothing to do with power right.. Just like Luffy was way stronger than he is right now before the timeskip.. i mean age is pretty much irrelevant right?

5. Show me the hype..


Optards like you have ruined one piece fandom for a long time. Yall spam and kiss ass on youtube.. now on here. Bleach fans are better than both to be honest.
 
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But why would people bother creating a big mess.. Hell this thread wasn't even a big mess until yall started showing rofl.

As i said the whole fanservice is a irrelvant small part about one piece that i don't like. You actually think i give a F*ck about those things? no.. I simply made the thread about the irrelevant things to the main storyline that are annoying..

And hardly any one piece female fans on here. And even if they were to say something, your buddies would constantly bash them with other excuses. #Facts.

I love how you ignore to reply to the majority of my post XD
And if no female One Piece fans are on here then how the hell do you know they are offended by it?
You're just making facts up? You have literally said throughout this whole thread that females have a problem with it but I have not seen a single one actually say anything in that nature and you have no evidence of that. All we have is you claiming all this sh*t and causing a huge argument, this thread has backfired on you so much it's not even funny any more. Just ask a mod to close this thread and move on. Think the majority of us have figured out by now that you at least claim not to like this whole half naked female thing.
 

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Yes i have ignored a video that is more than a year old and on which i have even argued on before.. yes nice to know that. Yes i'm a narutard even though my fav has always been One piece.. Nice nice.. I just can't talk about the small things that annoy me, without being a narutard.

1. Persoanlly i don't believe in asspulls, however, the logic you "logical" members like to use for asspulls i'm gonna apply it to one piece. Zoro's swordsmanship getting new skills out of nowhere = asspull (cutting metal in a fight when he couldn't before), Luffy's gear 2 = ass pull. Sanji flying = asspull.

2. So how does that no make sense? And sadly you are a moron who himself doesn't realize the difference between SENJU DNA and Hashirama's dna..

3. As i said don't talk about sh*t that you don't know about and fail to use logic on.

4. Yea age has nothing to do with power right.. Just like Luffy was way stronger than he is right now before the timeskip.. i mean age is pretty much irrelevant right?

5. Show me the hype..


Optards like you have ruined one piece fandom for a long time. Yall spam and kiss ass on youtube.. now on here. Bleach fans are better than both to be honest.
No you didn't lol. He uses reasoning to support his claims, unlike you.

1. Nope, Zoro has obviously been training a lot prior to that. We've seen him train, over and over. Plus he was pushed to near death at that time too. Luffy clearly stated before he wanted to show off his "technique" (second gear) after his beating with Lucci when they first encountered each other back in Water 7. Luffy is a genius fighter, he was able to create his own form of rokushiki with the help of his DF. Naruto's powerup on the other hand was just random and it just there to balance him between Sasuke's EMS power-up. Sanji flying? You mean skywalk, he clearly learned it during the TS while the okama were chasing him. He also learned it when he was the CP9 members use it.

2. Brainwashed narutard is brainwashed. I really feel sorry for you now.

3. Same goes for you. You know nothing about OP and you're just a narutard.

4. wtf are you talking about? I'm referring to transformation jutsu.

5. Show you the hype? Show me that there wasn't hype. Exactly you can't. It's pretty obvious there was some hype with the TS like every other series.

Then leave this section. :l You fail to realize that the TS was centered towards their strength (surviving in the NW) and not their development (it's already been improved on a lot). Usopp shown that he become a lot more brave during his fights in FI, speech at PH and even him now fighting Trebol.

I love how you ignore to reply to the majority of my post XD

He's just scared of being wrong. He's a vasu 2.0
 

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And unique? what are you on about? rofl. Since when is OP art unique? rofl

Bleach and Naruto don't even have the same art style.. holy sh*t.

Excellent reply, I must say ;)
 

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oooooooooooooooooooooooDamn, can't believe i'm actually gonna do this to Oda.
Don't worry, I am sure Oda will understand.:|

Whats new? >.> The reason I dislike One Piece (although, tried watching the Anime, the Manga, eh) is because it seems the story was getting no where. When are they going to get closer to the treasure? Its been like forever. ._________.

Your rant was nothing no too big.
Oh honey there's no treasure...
For me it's too soon to judge if the timeskip have been good for all of them. Apart Usopp's bίtchy attitude that remained I don't really dislike anything else, but the thing is Usopp always been like that so we can't blame the timeskip for this.
Also, I do think that the SWs couldn't have gone far without the timeskip. They were not ready for the new world, so to me so far a "break'' was necessary
 

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I logged in after a long time just to reply to this thread lol. Anyway most of your points have pissed me off from the beginning but as you said they are minor points and if you drop the series cos of them you dont deserve to read OP. Sanjis bloody code pisses the hell out of me and I agree 100% that yes sometimes its funny but oda does go overboard. Ussop needs to man up but i know oda will get to it. Nami has always been like this but robin does need to stop. Shes classy and the fan service aint. Oda should leave it at Nami. OP fans need to calm down. The fanbase comes across as arrogant and it does ruffle feathers. I happen to know that kinghashi prefers op and its kinda sad to call him narutotard when hes just made a few minor and overall irrelevant points. As for Love cook I get your point and Vasu is .... Yeah but you were offensive. I think you should have used something else for your example instead of a country lol.
 

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the only ones who have ruined OP Fandom are the Narutards who get into one piece.....Naruto fanbase is one of the most inmature ones.

Kishimoto is just randomly doing things to his manga, he is just having fun it seems, since he does not know how to even kill madara...

maybe he should talk to oda to see if he can borrow Kizaru and Fujitora to end the ninja war.
 

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It is pretty clear now, that anyone who agreed with the OP even on point is a illogical member and a narutard. And those who bashed a normal thread addressing minor flaws and annoyances felt by the original poster is Logical One piece fan, who knows everything about one piece.

With true colors of people having been shown, i take my leave from a thread that could have been used to discuss a whole lot of things, but instead turned into a bashing thread about series.

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the only ones who have ruined OP Fandom are the Narutards who get into one piece.....Naruto fanbase is one of the most inmature ones.

Kishimoto is just randomly doing things to his manga, he is just having fun it seems, since he does not know how to even kill madara...

maybe he should talk to oda to see if he can borrow Kizaru and Fujitora to end the ninja war.
@Bold, rule of reading, never believe that the writer can't do something about his character. And also time to hit youtube, and see the bashing done on Naruto by optards using illogical points..

The whole crap about Madara having no weakness was to hype him up so people would be interested.

And also, i think people tend to use too much "dbz" logic in Naruto. That fights have to be determined by which side is the strongest one. I mean people were saying Obito lost to Naruto and Sasuke alone.. wtf. Obito lost to the alliance, not just 2 people.

With Naruto , kishimoto ain't the problem.. its the NB fans who try to use dbz logic to everything, when the man himself stated he writes so he leaves something inspirational in this world, and tell his kids about what he feels.

That right there to me is good writer, and kishimoto has been doing a awsome job in that.


Oda=Kishi = Kubo

Different writers with different stories, with different focuses.

I love how you ignore to reply to the majority of my post XD
And if no female One Piece fans are on here then how the hell do you know they are offended by it?
You're just making facts up? You have literally said throughout this whole thread that females have a problem with it but I have not seen a single one actually say anything in that nature and you have no evidence of that. All we have is you claiming all this sh*t and causing a huge argument, this thread has backfired on you so much it's not even funny any more. Just ask a mod to close this thread and move on. Think the majority of us have figured out by now that you at least claim not to like this whole half naked female thing.
Well i'm not the one who is taking back what he said, and trying to make it so he means something else instead of what he stated in words..

And i mean you can accuse me of "starting the argument".. but the thread will show the butthurt that started the argument and that the OP was simply defending his points in a non-aggression way.

And tell me how a thread backfires on someone?

Its funny how you are claiming you are speaking for majority on the thread.. when the majority disagrees with you.. Go figure..

PS: it takes 2 to start an argument. Just saying. But eh i'm stopping now, all i'm getting from you now is off-topic crap, about how you are superior or something. Go wonder.

Naruto has fanservice too so what are you on about??

Instead of saying something like that name it.......

Hell even the whole Base can bash me, and those things i said will still be there.

No you didn't lol. He uses reasoning to support his claims, unlike you.

1. Nope, Zoro has obviously been training a lot prior to that. We've seen him train, over and over. Plus he was pushed to near death at that time too. Luffy clearly stated before he wanted to show off his "technique" (second gear) after his beating with Lucci when they first encountered each other back in Water 7. Luffy is a genius fighter, he was able to create his own form of rokushiki with the help of his DF. Naruto's powerup on the other hand was just random and it just there to balance him between Sasuke's EMS power-up. Sanji flying? You mean skywalk, he clearly learned it during the TS while the okama were chasing him. He also learned it when he was the CP9 members use it.

2. Brainwashed narutard is brainwashed. I really feel sorry for you now.

3. Same goes for you. You know nothing about OP and you're just a narutard.

4. wtf are you talking about? I'm referring to transformation jutsu.

5. Show you the hype? Show me that there wasn't hype. Exactly you can't. It's pretty obvious there was some hype with the TS like every other series.

Then leave this section. :l You fail to realize that the TS was centered towards their strength (surviving in the NW) and not their development (it's already been improved on a lot). Usopp shown that he become a lot more brave during his fights in FI, speech at PH and even him now fighting Trebol.



He's just scared of being wrong. He's a vasu 2.0
Holy shit you are going to tell me what i did and what i didn't do? rofl. Yes reasoning to you.. while its stupid illogical crap to me. That many naruto fans have tried explaining over and over and over.

1.See now you give me a reasoning, though i already know that.. however if we were still using the "asspull" logic fans use to bash naruto.. i would disagree with it , while knowing its a manga fact. Because you know why? Because it wasn't hinted he could do that.

2. Well its better to be a narutard than a optard who has his head up a fictional character's ass apparently.

3. yup i know nothing about Op, only you do and your buddies who bash do.

4. transformation jutsu is no longer applicable to the scale of battles shown... that is the point.. and why didn't you ask me this when i first stated it, instead of trying to counter what i said about age..

5. "show me there wasn't hype"......... -sigh-. I'm so done now.

6. what does optards ruining the one piece fandom have anything to do with me leaving this section?

Are you claiming all one piece fans are like you? if so.. there are plenty on this thread that aren't.
 
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the only ones who have ruined OP Fandom are the Narutards who get into one piece.....Naruto fanbase is one of the most inmature ones.

Kishimoto is just randomly doing things to his manga, he is just having fun it seems, since he does not know how to even kill madara...

maybe he should talk to oda to see if he can borrow Kizaru and Fujitora to end the ninja war.

Top tiers of Naruto would **** Kizaru and Fujitora..
 
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