[Spoilers] One Piece Manga General Spoilers & Summaries | 1094
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There was two people witnessing Linlin eat the children and Carmel. One was a giant from Elbaf who was worried and came to see the kids. He returned to Elbaf and conveyed the news about Linlin's panic. This made the entire giant race hate Linlin even more furiously.
The other person was pirate wannabe cook who originally lived on the island, Streusen. He was the user of the Kuku Kuku no Mi, which allowed him to change anything into the world into cooking materials. He helped Linlin establish the Big Mom Pirates.
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Bege and the others face Big Mom and fire the launchers.
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Carmel proposed to try to make this place their own country. Carmel states that if this country exists, then the world will be able to become more peaceful. After Carmel's disappearance, Linlin resolves to make this country that Carmel rejoiced about.
She came to notice that she could use the Soru Soru no Mi's power that Carmel had used. Utilizing the Soru Soru no Mi's power, She and Streusen begin their invasion. End Flashback
Because of the wind pressure and Haki from Big Mom's scream, the launcher bullets are destroyed before they can reach her. Because of the failure of the plan, Ceasar infiltrates the venue to help everyone escape. However, their escape mirror also breaks due to Big Mom's screams. With no place to run, Bege uses his devil fruit powers to transform into a gigantic castle, and everyone rushes into his body for shelter.
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There was two people witnessing Linlin eat the children and Carmel. One was a giant from Elbaf who was worried and came to see the kids. He returned to Elbaf and conveyed the news about Linlin's panic. This made the entire giant race hate Linlin even more furiously.
The other person was pirate wannabe cook who originally lived on the island, Streusen. He was the user of the Kuku Kuku no Mi, which allowed him to change anything into the world into cooking materials. He helped Linlin establish the Big Mom Pirates.
End Flashback
Bege and the others face Big Mom and fire the launchers.
Another flashback
Carmel proposed to try to make this place their own country. Carmel states that if this country exists, then the world will be able to become more peaceful. After Carmel's disappearance, Linlin resolves to make this country that Carmel rejoiced about.
She came to notice that she could use the Soru Soru no Mi's power that Carmel had used. Utilizing the Soru Soru no Mi's power, She and Streusen begin their invasion. End Flashback
Because of the wind pressure and Haki from Big Mom's scream, the launcher bullets are destroyed before they can reach her. Because of the failure of the plan, Ceasar infiltrates the venue to help everyone escape. However, their escape mirror also breaks due to Big Mom's screams. With no place to run, Bege uses his devil fruit powers to transform into a gigantic castle, and everyone rushes into his body for shelter.
End.
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The plan has failed so badly lol
PS- if you really thought it was going to be as clear-cut as destroying picture-big mom sad-kill big mom. Then you should quit shounen manga.
PS- if you really thought it was going to be as clear-cut as destroying picture-big mom sad-kill big mom. Then you should quit shounen manga.
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Welp, they're screwed. That's what happens when you keep knocking on the Devil's door.
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Or Yonko' door.Welp, they're screwed. That's what happens when you keep knocking on the Devil' door.
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Damn the plan backfired real quick, I felt the plan was too simple to ever work especially on a yonko anyway.
Now it really looks like BM won't be going down this arc, after the flashback, I think Elbaf would be a fitting place for her end.
Now it really looks like BM won't be going down this arc, after the flashback, I think Elbaf would be a fitting place for her end.
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The rockets were never going to work since they were a kill shot and Oda doesn't kill many characters especially when Luffy's involved in fighting them. But the plan to beat BM is still alive since she's susceptible to something as minor as falling and it makes her bleed so with the power in the room they may be able to beat her down still. The escape plan is also destroyed which is something no one seems to be pointing out, so with no retreat route how else will they get out of the situation if not by beating BM?
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BM crew beats them down and cue James Bond trope. Big Mom starts gloating as he crew holds them at weapon-point, she opens the Tamebako box, it explodes and weakens her, her crew drops post to rush to her head, they bail out. Badda bing, badda boom, move on to the objectively better Big Mom vs Kaido storyline.
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So in other words they have to beat BM enough to cause the rest of her crew to divert attention from them to her to allow them to leave. And how is that that different than our side of the BM bet?
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I could give a damn about your bet. This is how they can escape without actually defeating BM even if she has the power advantage on her side, nothing more, nothing less.
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But they would end up defeating her though, if BM's hurt by the bomb to the point SH's and Bege can leave WCI unchased then they defeated her. For someone who couldn't give a damn about the bet you sure were arguing hard against it for the last month or so, I was just pointing out that technically if it went the way you said that'd be a win for the Luffy side of the Luffy beats BM bet.
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That is in no way defeating her.
I don't care about your little bet with all these technicalities. My argument has always been Big Mom's defeat will be at Kaido's hand later in the story, not in WCI by Luffy's.
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In what way would it not be beating her? If she's damaged to the extent her crew rushed to check on her disregarding all else, what else would you call it? If the bomb leaves her in a state too weak to pursue or stop the SH's from leaving what is it? What do you consider beating her? Does Luffy have to do it himself for you to consider her beat?
Why do you insist both can't happen? Just because Luffy beats her now wouldn't mean she'd be unavailable to fight Kaido also. You're acting like a character can only be beaten once. Luffy could beat her now, with the tamatebako box then she chases them to Wano or Elbaf(more likely if she chases them it will be to Elbaf though)
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Defeating her would be what happened to Crocodile, Rob Lucci, Enel, Crocodile, Moriah, or Caesar. Big Mom slumping long enough for them to pull off a quick escape is not defeating her, it's retreating, which means it's Big Mom's W.
Wouldn't have the same impact if she's already been defeated by Luffy, someone clearly below her level, when Kaido defeats her. Be way more impactful if her fearsomeness as an Emperor is shown by her group defeating Luffy's, forcing them to retreat. If it's someone Luffy's group can handle, then it's underwhelming to see Kaido defeat them.
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Now we're just splitting hairs on the speed of the retreat really. You call it a quick escape I call it them being able to walk off and we're both saying it our way because it helps our case. If she doesn't get up before their boat leaves the island that's not a W for her, that's equivalent to someone walking into your house wrecking your living room knocking you out then driving home and you wake up later pissed off looking for revenge. If she retains consciousness through the explosion then sure but if she's KO'd then I disagree.
This is true but it would also serve to boost Luffy's hype while down playing hers. And just because something would be less impactful if A happened first isn't a reason it can't happen. And if it happens the way of the Tamatebako then I don't see the real issue as Luffy's strength wouldn't have defeated her but his luck and in that case it would be just as impactful.
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Uh, no, that's not what it's like at all. It's like a group walking into your home, wrecking your living room, knocking out one person, and then needing to run away because they realized the group who live in the home would beat the shit out of them all. If two parties are fighting, and one needs to retreat because the other one was stronger, then that's not a defeat for the overwhelming party.
I'd prefer Oda to remain consistent, to boost Luffy's hype without having to sloppily dismantle others', and give us something new while doing so.
Lol right, because the less epic option is always what every story should rush towards.
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You just said her crew would rush to tend to her allowing the SH's to leave, you can't have it both ways either she's hurt enough it draws their attention away or she's hurt but not so bad that the rest of her crew attacks in her place. @bold tell that to every guerilla army ever. You can still get a W even if you have to flee by doing enough damage during the skirmish. IF BM comes back then Luffy will have won this skirmish but not the war thus BM can still fight Kaidou without losing any hype since Luffy's victory here is based on luck not raw power. So the argument of "epic" starts to lose ground when Luffy's W doesn't come from Luffy himself.
And just out of curiosity why is it more epic to you to have a power like a Yonko defeat another Yonko rather than someone unexpected? Is it epic when Mike Tyson beats Spinks or is it more epic when Nate Diaz beat Connor McGregor?
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What the hell are you talking about
If Big Mom's forces remain intact and the Strawhats flee because they can't beat her forces, then that's a retreat. Meaning that's their loss. Whether or not those forces get distracted out of concern for Big Mom wouldn't change that the Strawhats are running away because they can't win.Not really. If you run away because you can't beat the enemy force, then that's your loss regardless of what damage you caused.
It's not as epic to see a force like Kaido beat Big Mom if a far inferior force like Luffy's can do the same thing. If Luffy can get it done, even with the Tame box, then Kaido doing it goes from "Holy shit, he actually did it" to "Well, yeah, that's what you were supposed to do Kaido." It reduces the impressiveness of it way too much.
Two Emperors going at it and one taking the other out IS "unexpected" because it's not something that's ever happened before in the manga. We've had indication that Emperors don't fight each other much, so it'll be a major event for the entire OP world. The contrary is a cliche "Main character has to beat everyone" story. This would be amazing given the scale of the characters, and it'd not only be new for One Piece, but it'd be objectively good writing because it avoids a cliche.