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[chopstickchakra]

Except we've seen that Cracker does indeed have the ability to stall out Gear Fourth, since even Luffy's Haki embedded punches have been unable to cause damage to Cracker.


This is some terrible LBeezy nonsense logic. For one thing, Luffy himself never directly injured Cracker. Cracker only got hurt because he was slammed into his own biscuits, and it was impacting those that damaged him. Secondly, Luffy only survived to the point that he used Tankman because he had Nami's help with softening the biscuits enough for him to eat them. Without Nami, G4 would have failed him and he would have died. Thirdly, the Tankman only got that big because of eating the biscuits, so without Nami, Luffy wouldn't have even been big enough to resist Cracker's sword and push him away.

So no, it wasn't G4 that beat Cracker, it was Nami helping Luffy.

I knew you were going to bring up the crackers. The crackers were equally as important as the force at which he was expelled from Luffy's stomach. We both know how force of impact is measured basically, distance to target and speed travelling by weight of object travelling. The cracker's can be hard as steel but if he's pushed into them at a snails pace, there's no damage happening. Plus take away the crackers and damage and Luffy still threw him all the way to the castle, well enough out of fighting range, whether Cracker landed at the castle KO'd is irrelevant since the fight was over and Luffy and Nami would be gone by the time Cracker was able to return to the field of battle. G4 ended the fight despite what help came during the fight.

 

[Dannie]

I knew you were going to bring up the crackers. The crackers were equally as important as the force at which he was expelled from Luffy's stomach. We both know how force of impact is measured basically, distance to target and speed travelling by weight of object travelling. The cracker's can be hard as steel but if he's pushed into them at a snails pace, there's no damage happening. Plus take away the crackers and damage and Luffy still threw him all the way to the castle, well enough out of fighting range, whether Cracker landed at the castle KO'd is irrelevant since the fight was over and Luffy and Nami would be gone by the time Cracker was able to return to the field of battle. G4 ended the fight despite what help came during the fight.

If G4 ended the fight then why did Luffy need to eat the crackers?

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[chopstickchakra]

If G4 ended the fight then why did Luffy need to eat the crackers?

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Are you confusing Bounceman for G4? Do you remember how the fight ended? Tank man launching Cracker from the battlefield. That's how G4 ended the fight.

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[OG sama]

Except we've seen that Cracker does indeed have the ability to stall out Gear Fourth, since even Luffy's Haki embedded punches have been unable to cause damage to Cracker.


This is some terrible LBeezy nonsense logic. For one thing, Luffy himself never directly injured Cracker. Cracker only got hurt because he was slammed into his own biscuits, and it was impacting those that damaged him. Secondly, Luffy only survived to the point that he used Tankman because he had Nami's help with softening the biscuits enough for him to eat them. Without Nami, G4 would have failed him and he would have died. Thirdly, the Tankman only got that big because of eating the biscuits, so without Nami, Luffy wouldn't have even been big enough to resist Cracker's sword and push him away.

So no, it wasn't G4 that beat Cracker, it was Nami helping Luffy.

Huh? I'm not sure what you're talking about. Cracker never tanked any punches, he never got hit until the end of the battle. He stalled Luffy out with an infinite amount of clones In which he can reform if destroyed, he's a very bad match up for G4 with its time limit.

Also I don't agree with this, Cracker was done the minute he got sucked in by tank man. Go back and read he was koed and his face was all smashed up before his body went through the biscuits.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Luffy fooled them just as much as he fooled Nami lmao Like yes, let's take Nami's optimism at face value despite the fact that it's the product of Luffy lying about what's going on, especially since Oda included a shot of Jinbei reacting as though he knows better to illustrate that Nami's optimism is based on a lie.

Hence no response from chopstick

 

[Punk Hazard]

I knew you were going to bring up the crackers. The crackers were equally as important as the force at which he was expelled from Luffy's stomach. We both know how force of impact is measured basically, distance to target and speed travelling by weight of object travelling. The cracker's can be hard as steel but if he's pushed into them at a snails pace, there's no damage happening. Plus take away the crackers and damage and Luffy still threw him all the way to the castle, well enough out of fighting range, whether Cracker landed at the castle KO'd is irrelevant since the fight was over and Luffy and Nami would be gone by the time Cracker was able to return to the field of battle. G4 ended the fight despite what help came during the fight.

Yes, the force matters, but even then, the force came from Cracker himself to if you wanna get technical. Cracker was rebounded with the same amount of force as what he produced when he thrusted his sword into Luffy's stomach. And if you wanna say the force came from Luffy, all that would have done would have been sending Cracker flying through the air, but he wouldn't have been damaged or KO'd if not for him hitting his own biscuits. The fact still remains that Luffy himself was never shown to be capable of hurting Cracker with his own power.

There's also the convenient fact you ignored that the fight only ever got to that point because Luffy was eating the biscuits. Had Nami not softened the biscuits, the fight would have never reached 11 hours and Luffy would have died long before Tankman ever came out. There's also the fact that Tankman was only as big as it was because Luffy was eating the biscuits, meaning that attributing Luffy sending Cracker flying to the power of G4 is wrong since G4 wouldn't have been that big without eating the biscuits, meaning it wouldn't have been able to send Cracker flying the way it did without the biscuits.

Huh? I'm not sure what you're talking about. Cracker never tanked any punches, he never got hit until the end of the battle. He stalled Luffy out with an infinite amount of clones In which he can reform if destroyed, he's a very bad match up for G4 with its time limit.

Cracker is a swordsman who charged Luffy himself on-screen both times the fight was shown. This narrative that Cracker was hiding behind his biscuits is completely made up when Cracker showed he had no problem with engaging Gear Fourth Luffy with his personal body multiple times, while Luffy was the one who was running away and trying to avoid having to engage him.

The fact remains that we never saw Luffy damage Cracker through his own abilities.

Also I don't agree with this, Cracker was done the minute he got sucked in by tank man. Go back and read he was koed and his face was all smashed up before his body went through the biscuits.

That's because he immediately hit a biscuit soldier.

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[chopstickchakra]

Yes, the force matters, but even then, the force came from Cracker himself to if you wanna get technical. Cracker was rebounded with the same amount of force as what he produced when he thrusted his sword into Luffy's stomach. And if you wanna say the force came from Luffy, all that would have done would have been sending Cracker flying through the air, but he wouldn't have been damaged or KO'd if not for him hitting his own biscuits. The fact still remains that Luffy himself was never shown to be capable of hurting Cracker with his own power.

There's also the convenient fact you ignored that the fight only ever got to that point because Luffy was eating the biscuits. Had Nami not softened the biscuits, the fight would have never reached 11 hours and Luffy would have died long before Tankman ever came out. There's also the fact that Tankman was only as big as it was because Luffy was eating the biscuits, meaning that attributing Luffy sending Cracker flying to the power of G4 is wrong since G4 wouldn't have been that big without eating the biscuits, meaning it wouldn't have been able to send Cracker flying the way it did without the biscuits.





Cracker is a swordsman who charged Luffy himself on-screen both times the fight was shown. This narrative that Cracker was hiding behind his biscuits is completely made up when Cracker showed he had no problem with engaging Gear Fourth Luffy with his personal body multiple times, while Luffy was the one who was running away and trying to avoid having to engage him.

The fact remains that we never saw Luffy damage Cracker through his own abilities.



That's because he immediately hit a biscuit soldier.

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If you want to get technical it was Luffy launching Cracker from his contracted stomach. Cracker's lunge pushed Luffy's stomach in which he then pushed back out, launching Cracker out but you'll deny this as even possible let alone what happened so. Hurting him or not the fight ended because of G4 but keep trying to change the topic so you can feel right.

And no I didn't ignore it it's been covered and it's not the point I've been arguing. The point I've been arguing is that G4 ended that fight. Something you and others are trying to downplay as to minimize the possibility of it effecting this fight in a similar fashion.

For all we know Tankman can only be achieved with a full stomach so this notion that it's the size it is because of Cracker is invalid. G4 already makes Luffy big so any form of G4 is automatically make him big. You act like there's other sizes to Tankman and this was an enlarged version of Tankman which is another one of your baseless facts.

As for impact it could be just as likely that the impact at the castle is what dealt the KO impact, that it was the crackers is another of your assumptions pushed as fact. Cracker smashed into more than just his biscuits during that flight but as usual the only possible scenario is the one that fits your narrative.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If you want to get technical it was Luffy launching Cracker from his contracted stomach. Cracker's lunge pushed Luffy's stomach in which he then pushed back out, launching Cracker out but you'll deny this as even possible let alone what happened so. Hurting him or not the fight ended because of G4 but keep trying to change the topic so you can feel right.

Nope. Luffy's body is elastic. Meaning that when something pushes down on it, his body returns to its previous shape/positioning. Whatever was pushing down on his body would then be repelled with the same force it pushed down on. When you jump on a trampoline, it's not the trampoline producing force and pushing you up, it's the force that you put into your jump changing directions. Same principle here.

And no I didn't ignore it it's been covered and it's not the point I've been arguing. The point I've been arguing is that G4 ended that fight

The fact that G4 was only able to end the fight because it was enhanced by eating Cracker's biscuits and due to Nami's help means you cannot attribute that as G4 being capable of defeating Cracker. Period.

For all we know Tankman can only be achieved with a full stomach so this notion that it's the size it is because of Cracker is invalid.

This defeats the purpose even more then if this form of G4 is only possible because of outside influence in the first place. This just boils back down to G4 being unable to defeat Cracker on its own

G4 already makes Luffy big so any form of G4 is automatically make him big. You act like there's other sizes to Tankman and this was an enlarged version of Tankman which is another one of your baseless facts.

The fact that Luffy said "Full Version" does very well indicate that its size is only because he was already engorged by eating Cracker's biscuits. You know, cause his stomach is full.

As for impact it could be just as likely that the impact at the castle is what dealt the KO impact,

Not really, since we see Cracker being KO'd from hitting his biscuits.

Cracker smashed into more than just his biscuits during that flight but as usual the only possible scenario is the one that fits your narrative.

You have no proof that Cracker hitting those things without the biscuits being there would have knocked him out. You're the one banking one something that is pure assumption.

 

[Dibattista27]

We will see how long G4 last in two weeks so who really cares

 

[chopstickchakra]

Nope. Luffy's body is elastic. Meaning that when something pushes down on it, his body returns to its previous shape/positioning. Whatever was pushing down on his body would then be repelled with the same force it pushed down on. When you jump on a trampoline, it's not the trampoline producing force and pushing you up, it's the force that you put into your jump changing directions. Same principle here.

Outside logic, real world doesn't apply to manga, Luffy's not real etc etc and all the other stuff you throw out when anyone else tries to use real world logic. Luffy can still control his body and expand his stomach muscles to increase the launch force. But we both already knew you'd deny the possibility let alone the probability.

The fact that G4 was only able to end the fight because it was enhanced by eating Cracker's biscuits and due to Nami's help means you cannot attribute that as G4 being capable of defeating Cracker. Period.

Of course you can. That's like saying you can't say G4 ended the Doffy fight. Of course it did. Without the help in both battles G4 wouldn't have come into play but without G4 in either battle and Luffy dies.

This defeats the purpose even more then if this form of G4 is only possible because of outside influence in the first place. This just boils back down to G4 being unable to defeat Cracker on its own


The fact that Luffy said "Full Version" does very well indicate that its size is only because he was already engorged by eating Cracker's biscuits. You know, cause his stomach is full.

Right, full. But that's what I was getting at Tankman may "activate" when Luffy is in G4 and full. You were talking like there's a Tankman that's smaller tha n the one we saw but in actuality Tankman can probably only come about when Luffy is full in G4. So yes eating the crackers created Tankman but the idea that the crackers made him a bigger version of Tankman than normally exists is baseless.

Not really, since we see Cracker being KO'd from hitting his biscuits.

You have no proof that Cracker hitting those things without the biscuits being there would have knocked him out. You're the one banking one something that is pure assumption.

I'm not making the claim of when he got KO'd though so no it's on you(the person who made the claim) I'm just showing there's room for doubt on your conclusion. What's the proof he was KO'd at the first biscuit which is essentially what you're arguing because he was white eyed in Luffy's gut and white eyed before hitting the first biscuit. He then proceeded to fly through a total of 3 biscuits, trees, and buildings.

 

[OG sama]

Yes, the force matters, but even then, the force came from Cracker himself to if you wanna get technical. Cracker was rebounded with the same amount of force as what he produced when he thrusted his sword into Luffy's stomach. And if you wanna say the force came from Luffy, all that would have done would have been sending Cracker flying through the air, but he wouldn't have been damaged or KO'd if not for him hitting his own biscuits. The fact still remains that Luffy himself was never shown to be capable of hurting Cracker with his own power.

There's also the convenient fact you ignored that the fight only ever got to that point because Luffy was eating the biscuits. Had Nami not softened the biscuits, the fight would have never reached 11 hours and Luffy would have died long before Tankman ever came out. There's also the fact that Tankman was only as big as it was because Luffy was eating the biscuits, meaning that attributing Luffy sending Cracker flying to the power of G4 is wrong since G4 wouldn't have been that big without eating the biscuits, meaning it wouldn't have been able to send Cracker flying the way it did without the biscuits.





Cracker is a swordsman who charged Luffy himself on-screen both times the fight was shown. This narrative that Cracker was hiding behind his biscuits is completely made up when Cracker showed he had no problem with engaging Gear Fourth Luffy with his personal body multiple times, while Luffy was the one who was running away and trying to avoid having to engage him.

The fact remains that we never saw Luffy damage Cracker through his own abilities.



That's because he immediately hit a biscuit soldier.

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Cracker hates pain, he's a fighter that likes to use his clones to do more of the up and personal work for him, just because he springed out and tried to attack Luffy when he saw clear openings doesn't mean he has no problems engaging Gear fourth with his real body, that's not true and it pretty much goes against what we know about him and how the rest of the fight played out. If Cracker had no problems engaging Luffy on his own then why did he not directly finish off a Gear-less fat Luffy? He stood there and let Luffy get bigger and bigger for 11 hours and never did anything. He should have been able to easily beat a fat Luffy with just his real body but he never even tried to attack until he knew for sure Luffy was at his absolute fullest. Why? Because he's a glass cannon, he doesn't tank attacks, he has his clones do that.

As for the pic, I was referring to the last page of that chapter but its hard to tell if Luffy sucking him in or is it the clones that koed him, this page and the last page make it hard to tell because in this pic he still hasn't hit the clone yet and in the page after this he still hasn't hit it but he's white eyed and he's missing a tooth. It was the stomach that koed first probably.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Outside logic, real world doesn't apply to manga, Luffy's not real etc etc and all the other stuff you throw out when anyone else tries to use real world logic. Luffy can still control his body and expand his stomach muscles to increase the launch force. But we both already knew you'd deny the possibility let alone the probability.

Except for when

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, or the fact that blood doping is given as the underlying concept to Gear Second, or the real-life sailing concept that appeared in the most recent chapter that Jinbei used to save the crew with.

One Piece doesn't disregard physics, it exaggerates physics. Saying "RL logic doesn't apply" is a cop-out when there's no counterargument to be made.

Of course you can. That's like saying you can't say G4 ended the Doffy fight. Of course it did. Without the help in both battles G4 wouldn't have come into play but without G4 in either battle and Luffy dies.

You can't though. You can say G4 was at the end of the fight, but it did not end the fight because Luffy would be dead without outside help.

Even if you wanna be a technical ******* and say "It ended the fight because it was the last thing used," you cannot attribute that to G4 being capable of defeating Cracker when Luffy was unable to defeat Cracker without help.

Right, full. But that's what I was getting at Tankman may "activate" when Luffy is in G4 and full. You were talking like there's a Tankman that's smaller tha n the one we saw but in actuality Tankman can probably only come about when Luffy is full in G4. So yes eating the crackers created Tankman but the idea that the crackers made him a bigger version of Tankman than normally exists is baseless.

I addressed this in my post as well. If you want to say that Luffy can only access Tankman when full, then that still means that G4 by itself was unable to finish off Cracker because Tankman requires an outside influence to reach the level needed to take down Cracker.

Btw, the fact that Luffy says "Full Version" is proof that there's a smaller version when he's not full.

Cracker hates pain, he's a fighter that likes to use his clones to do more of the up and personal work for him, just because he springed out and tried to attack Luffy when he saw clear openings doesn't mean he has no problems engaging Gear fourth with his real body

Yes he does lmfao You're saying that Cracker choosing to engage Luffy with his own body is proof that he has no qualms about approaching Luffy with his own body. Get the **** outta here

that's not true and it pretty much goes against what we know about him and how the rest of the fight played out.

The rest of the fight played out with Luffy avoiding Cracker, and exactly zero mentions of the other way around.

If Cracker had no problems engaging Luffy on his own then why did he not directly finish off a Gear-less fat Luffy?

Same reason Rob Lucci stood around listening to Usopp instead of lopping off Luffy's head or finishing him off. Same reason Akainu spoke to Jinbei instead of immediately rushing for a kill. Same reason Kizaru shot the key in Luffy's hand instead of shooting Luffy in the head. Same reason Kizaru moved to kick Luffy instead of Aokiji moving to freeze him, or Akainu moving to pierce his chest. Do you want me to go on, or do you see the point?

He stood there and let Luffy get bigger and bigger for 11 hours and never did anything. He should have been able to easily beat a fat Luffy with just his real body but he never even tried to attack until he knew for sure Luffy was at his absolute fullest. Why? Because he's a glass cannon, he doesn't tank attacks, he has his clones do that.

You say this like you have proof that Luffy was fat for the entire 11 hours. Considering that a Gear 2 and 3 Luffy couldn't get past one biscuit soldier, there is absolutely zero way Luffy survived those 11 hours without using Gear Fourth multiple times when he had an army of them and Cracker himself after him.

Cracker has also never been shown to be a glass cannon. He stated he dislikes pain, but it's never shown he can't physically withstand it.

 

[Valhalla]

ONEPIECE Chapter 882: Power of Rubber

Luffy: I ain’t planning on dying here! Katakuri: We’ll see about that Katakuri tries to attack Luffy with his trident, but he misses every time because Luffy’s dodging Luffy’s shown tired and ready to show something new.

Cacao island:

Sanji and Purin are almost ready with the cake, they lack the final ingredient. Chiffon says that it can be found in the sea, so they start to load the cake on a ship Big Mom’s tantrum isn’t coming to an end. Perospero tells her that Luffy might have the cake, so she directs the anger to him and becomes
obsessed with going into the mirror world.

On The Sunny:

Jinbe is seen steering the wheel while the Sunny is peacefully going in direction of the Cacao island. Even though they’ve broken all the mirrors, Nami and Jinbe seem to be nervous about Luffy.

Back to the Mirror World:

Katakuri finally hits Luffy with his trident. At first it seems like Luffy is done for, but then it’s shown that it had no effect. Trident bounced off Luffy like a rubber. Katakuri seems shocked. “So you’re capable of even that?!” Flashback to Luffy’s timeskip training.

Chapter ends

 

[ArabianLuffy]

"So you're even capable of that?!" Is that what we saw against Doffy too? That Athlete Kick. Whatever. Some people gonna say "asspull".

 

[Punk Hazard]

ONEPIECE Chapter 882: Power of Rubber

Luffy: I ain’t planning on dying here! Katakuri: We’ll see about that Katakuri tries to attack Luffy with his trident, but he misses every time because Luffy’s dodging Luffy’s shown tired and ready to show something new.

Cacao island:

Sanji and Purin are almost ready with the cake, they lack the final ingredient. Chiffon says that it can be found in the sea, so they start to load the cake on a ship Big Mom’s tantrum isn’t coming to an end. Perospero tells her that Luffy might have the cake, so she directs the anger to him and becomes
obsessed with going into the mirror world.

On The Sunny:

Jinbe is seen steering the wheel while the Sunny is peacefully going in direction of the Cacao island. Even though they’ve broken all the mirrors, Nami and Jinbe seem to be nervous about Luffy.

Back to the Mirror World:

Katakuri finally hits Luffy with his trident. At first it seems like Luffy is done for, but then it’s shown that it had no effect. Trident bounced off Luffy like a rubber. Katakuri seems shocked. “So you’re capable of even that?!” Flashback to Luffy’s timeskip training.

Chapter ends

These spoilers are fake.

 

[Olorin]

These spoilers are fake.

yep, the spoilers aren't out yet, could be another friday chappy

 

[OG sama]

From yonkouprod:

- Katakuri pulls out spear.
- Brulee says that Katakuri has never laid down his life before.
- Luffy tries to hit brulee, katakuri stops him.
- [more fighting]
- Katakuri’s spear is called Mogura (Mole, the animal)
- Brulee heard what Luffy and Nami were talking about, reports their meeting place and time to Perospero
Big Mom heads towards Cacao Island
- [more luffy katakuri fighting]
- Katakuri predicts Gear 4th
- Pekoms cries about Pedro
- Mont D’or gets information that they lost track of Bege’s ship
- Mon’t dor is told by dendenmushi that Germa was crushed by 10,000 soldiers
- The denden-mushi was actually Niji talking, Germa took down all the soldiers manipulates Mont d’or into telling them where the Strawhats are and Germa prepares to set sail to the Strawhats.

 

[OG sama]

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[OG sama]

[Dialogue translation] :

L : huh . "Damn it " .
"If I avoided it , a real attack comes "
? :"Double , tiresome ."

L: I am also the same [/ I can do the same (?)]

K : You cann't evade such attack . Due to "stress" (?)

K: Nagare mochi

L: "The ground have become mochi "

L : " like that guy doflamingo did !!"

K : " ofcourse ,I have my ability awoken" .

[Mochi]

L " this is bad " .

K : "Gear 4 ? How interesting..."

 

[chopstickchakra]

From yonkouprod:

- Katakuri pulls out spear.
- Brulee says that Katakuri has never laid down his life before.
- Luffy tries to hit brulee, katakuri stops him.
- [more fighting]
- Katakuri’s spear is called Mogura (Mole, the animal)
- Brulee heard what Luffy and Nami were talking about, reports their meeting place and time to Perospero
Big Mom heads towards Cacao Island
- [more luffy katakuri fighting]
- Katakuri predicts Gear 4th
- Pekoms cries about Pedro
- Mont D’or gets information that they lost track of Bege’s ship
- Mon’t dor is told by dendenmushi that Germa was crushed by 10,000 soldiers
- The denden-mushi was actually Niji talking, Germa took down all the soldiers manipulates Mont d’or into telling them where the Strawhats are and Germa prepares to set sail to the Strawhats.

If the BM Pirates have such a great information network as was purported earlier then why do they keep getting lied to and believing it from within their own network?

One Piece doesn't disregard physics, it exaggerates physics. Saying "RL logic doesn't apply" is a cop-out when there's no counterargument to be made.

Well that's ironic to hear you say since you do it all the time when others attempt to use real world scenarios to back up a claim.