[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 929 Discussion and 930 Predictions

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lets be honest, Luffy got 1 shot because Oda needed the plot to go that way, if he needed Luffy to put up a bit of a fight, he'd do that. Kaido is probably going down at the end of this saga, be it 1v1 or 5v1, either way, if luffy loses to Kaido in 1 hit even when the plot doesnt call for it than both the 1 hot and the defeat of Kaido are just BS. and yes, once kaido goes downt he 1 shot will look stupid in retrospective
I'm not surprised that Kaido was able to do that, just look at how Big mom was able to suck the life force out of G4 BounceMan Luffy. I don't think it's far-fetched for someone like Kaido to one-shot Luffy, but it's not too crazy for Luffy to beat Kaido by taking advantage of some circumstances around him to win either like he's done in the past. Oda's fights always give the underdog the puncher's chance like any other realistic real-life fight situations, which is why Onepiece has such a good story telling to it.

Kaido may be way faster, durable, and stronger than Luffy but that doesn't mean he's as resourceful enough to take advantage of many people's weaknesses like Luffy has done in the past with Mizu Luffy, Nightmare Luffy, or his base form that utilizes ricochet strikes in cqc against high level opponents (Crocodile, Doflamingo, and Katakuri). Kaido is not flexible enough to do that so that makes his options to be very limited.
What's good is that we know that G3 is able to knock around Emperors in CqC if it lands and G4 transformations are also strong enough to smack down an Emperor as well. This is good because Luffy can work on these things. He can work on his speed to keep up with a physically fit Emperor (not a fat or old dying one) and he can improve on mastering his devil fruit's powers to help his recovery time.

This is good, Oda knows what he's doing.
 
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I'm not surprised that Kaido was able to do that, just look at how Big mom was able to suck the life force out of G4 BounceMan Luffy. I don't think it's far-fetched for someone like Kaido to one-shot Luffy, but it's not too crazy for Luffy to beat Kaido by taking advantage of some circumstances around him to win either like he's done in the past. Oda's fights always give the underdog the puncher's chance like any other realistic real-life fight situations, which is why Onepiece has such a good story telling to it.

Kaido may be way faster, durable, and stronger than Luffy but that doesn't mean he's as resourceful enough to take advantage of many people's weaknesses like Luffy has done in the past with Mizu Luffy, Nightmare Luffy, or his base form that utilizes ricochet strikes in cqc against high level opponents (Crocodile, Doflamingo, and Katakuri). Kaido is not flexible enough to do that so that makes his options to be very limited.
What's good is that we know that G3 is able to knock around Emperors in CqC if it lands and G4 transformations are also strong enough to smack down an Emperor as well. This is good because Luffy can work on these things. He can work on his speed to keep up with a physically fit Emperor (not a fat or old dying one) and he can improve on mastering his devil fruit's powers to help his recovery time.

This is good, Oda knows what he's doing.
I may have misinterpreted your post here, but Kaidou's weakness seems to be his drinking habit similar to Big Mom's weakness being psychological/hungry. These weaknesses are not actually enough to be exploited by Luffy.

I believe simply because of both Yonkou's actions. Granted, both of them were able to be pushed around, they never suffered any substantial damage. Their "weakness" simply made the monsters a bit "human".

I truly believe the downfall of Kadiou will simply be a stalemate between him and Big Mom. Its the logical play to keep the story full of quality. I fear that Oda may have to pull almighty ass pulls to save our Main Character.
 

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Doubt that, Luffy's gonna be the one to beat akainu. It will be his 3rd second or last fight
However u think Luffy will fight akainu, I'm, and black beard
Well we can’t say for certain. It’s been hinted that there will be a war in the end. Akainu might very well be the final villain for sabo to avenge ace with his old fruit.
 
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I just got here about a week ago, and I don’t know who you really are or at least I can’t remember.

Either way there is no hype building if Luffy clearly got one-shotted by Kaido because that’s a feat in itself. Sakazuki beating Ace isn’t something you would compare to Luffy getting beaten by Kaido because Luffy already surpassed Ace, so Sakazuki had a weaker opponent who also had an inferior devil fruit power than his. Even then Sakazuki used the same move against Jimbei and he wasn’t one-shotted after that attack so it didn’t mean much to be honest.
So Luffy right now is more powerful than Commander Ace? 🤔 all of that in 2 years?

Akainu went to solo BB group that escaped and ran away from “that beast akainu”.
 
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I may have misinterpreted your post here, but Kaidou's weakness seems to be his drinking habit similar to Big Mom's weakness being psychological/hungry. These weaknesses are not actually enough to be exploited by Luffy.

I believe simply because of both Yonkou's actions. Granted, both of them were able to be pushed around, they never suffered any substantial damage. Their "weakness" simply made the monsters a bit "human".

I truly believe the downfall of Kadiou will simply be a stalemate between him and Big Mom. Its the logical play to keep the story full of quality. I fear that Oda may have to pull almighty ass pulls to save our Main Character.
I'm aware that drinking is his weakness, I've mentioned that months ago ever since Kaido got drunk and sent his subordinates flying after they mentioned Luffy and Law taking down Doflamingo. I made this connection after Big mom got excited and ate her subordinates "because she couldn't wait" during the Fishrman island arc.
My point is that Luffy can weaken him by poisoning his alcohol by using the tainted waters in Wano. Just like how people thought the straw hats would beat Big mom by poisoning her cake, they can do the same to Kaido's drink
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So Luffy right now is more powerful than Commander Ace? 🤔 all of that in 2 years?
Clearly he surpassed Ace, everybody knows this. :confused:
Luffy literally beat Katakuri who's on the same level as Marco if not arguably a little stronger. If you really think Ace stands a chance against Luffy, then it's sad. Look at all the poeple Luffy has beaten. Luffy is a billion bounty threat now.

Akainu went to solo BB group that escaped and ran away from “that beast akainu”.
Sakazuki never soloed anything, what manga are you reading? He and Blackbeard never fought
 
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I'm aware that drinking is his weakness, I've mentioned that months ago ever since Kaido got drunk and sent his subordinates flying after they mentioned Luffy and Law taking down Doflamingo. I made this connection after Big mom got excited and ate her subordinates "because she couldn't wait" during the Fishrman island arc.
My point is that Luffy can weaken him by poisoning his alcohol by using the tainted waters in Wano. Just like how people thought the straw hats would beat Big mom by poisoning her cake, they can do the same to Kaido's drink
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Clearly he surpassed Ace, everybody knows this. :confused:
Luffy literally beat Katakuri who's on the same level as Marco if not arguably a little stronger. If you really think Ace stands a chance against Luffy, then it's sad. Look at all the poeple Luffy has beaten. Luffy is a billion bounty threat now.


Sakazuki never soloed anything, what manga are you reading? He and Blackbeard never fought
Poisoning a drink is not the way how Luffy thinks. Oda will not make his MC to do this.
 
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Clearly he surpassed Ace, everybody knows this. :confused:
Luffy literally beat Katakuri who's on the same level as Marco if not arguably a little stronger. If you really think Ace stands a chance against Luffy, then it's sad. Look at all the poeple Luffy has beaten. Luffy is a billion bounty threat now.
That bounty argument is trash, pre time skip bounties were moderate. Jack, King, Smoothie, Pero, Cracker etc all have bounties far above Ace.

As for “clearly everyone knows this”. It seems to be you’re thinking that for your self and not clearly anything. There’s absolutely no proof that Luffy has surpassed Ace.


Sakazuki never soloed anything, what manga are you reading? He and Blackbeard never fought
Do you skip chapters?
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That bounty argument is trash, pre time skip bounties were moderate. Jack, King, Smoothie, Pero, Cracker etc all have bounties far above Ace.

As for “clearly everyone knows this”. It seems to be you’re thinking that for your self and not clearly anything. There’s absolutely no proof that Luffy has surpassed Ace.
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: bounty argument is trash? Looks like Oda and Luffy disagrees


Are you dense? The proof that Luffy surpassed Ace is all in the opponents he's beaten. Katakuri, Cracker, and arguably Doflamingo are all stronger than Ace and Luffy beat them.
Did you read? Sakazuki didn't solo anyone.
 
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: bounty argument is trash? Looks like Oda and Luffy disagrees


Are you dense? The proof that Luffy surpassed Ace is all in the opponents he's beaten. Katakuri, Cracker, and arguably Doflamingo are all stronger than Ace and Luffy beat them.
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This bounty argument is trash. Ace bounty > Mingo when frozen so this argument is even contradictory
Did you read? Sakazuki didn't solo anyone.
He went there solo and they ran away from him. There was no other major governmental figure with him
 

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Dont forget Kid is able to keep up with Luffy n he managed to injure one of the commanders.
So the bounty logic isn't invalid considering the fact that the commanders are hyped up with the 1billion bounty n stuff(Zou/Cake Island).
 
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This bounty argument is trash. Ace bounty > Mingo when frozen so this argument is even contradictory
Once again your argument here is just garbage. Read


Kidd's bounty was only 15 thousand higher than Luffy at the time because of the civilian damages he's done. He still earned that 300 million. If bounties didn't mean anything then Emperors, Warlords, and Dragon's rebels would all have the same level of bounty.
Think before you actually type anything. Some people had their bounties freeze because they help the government or they became deceased.


He went there solo and they ran away from him. There was no other major governmental figure with him
Running away is not a solo, once again learn how to read simple English. Blackbeard permanently damaged Shanks' face (which he said is his worse scar he's ever had) yet Blackbeard still ran away from him.
Blackbeard running away doesn't mean anything when he's always hiding his true strength. That man was hyped enough fighting Sengoku and Garp at the same time, and either of those legends would desroy Sakazuki in a fight.
 
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Once again your argument here is just garbage. Read


Kidd's bounty was only 15 thousand higher than Luffy at the time because of the civilian damages he's done. He still earned that 300 million. If bounties didn't mean anything then Emperors, Warlords, and Dragon's rebels would all have the same level of bounty.
Think before you actually type anything. Some people had their bounties freeze because they help the government or they became deceased.
That quote literally is contradicting your statement but cool. A super powerful but conservative pirate will have a lower bounty than a reckless murder spree pirate, you agree on that but still think Ace is weaker than Pirates Luffy defeated... sure kid

Running away is not a solo, once again learn how to read simple English. Blackbeard permanently damaged Shanks' face (which he said is his worse scar he's ever had) yet Blackbeard still ran away from him.
Blackbeard running away doesn't mean anything when he's always hiding his true strength. That man was hyped enough fighting Sengoku and Garp at the same time, and either of those legends would desroy Sakazuki in a fight.
Excuse excuse excuse

BB had bravado thinking he was invincible after acquiring Gura Gura nomi, hence choosing to fight Sengoku and Garp. However he shit his pants and ran away from Akainu who was all by himself. Even Van Argur was shocked... now make more excuses nonce
 

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idrc that much, tbh i ahvent even read enough to know who im contradicting here or if its relevant but since it was mentioned incorrectly it should be said that BB never rly fought Garp and Sengoku, he got the fruit, he punched MF once, Sengoku used 1 shockwave and damaged BB and his crew quite a lot. after that BB challanged Sengoku, not to fight, but to save MF from his new fruit which is very different. Garp stood next to Sengoku in one panel and no fighting actually happened because right after, Coby screams for everyone to stop and Shanks arrives. That is the actual version of events, though i get how some ppl remember the anime version not the manga version.
 
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idrc that much, tbh i ahvent even read enough to know who im contradicting here or if its relevant but since it was mentioned incorrectly it should be said that BB never rly fought Garp and Sengoku, he got the fruit, he punched MF once, Sengoku used 1 shockwave and damaged BB and his crew quite a lot. after that BB challanged Sengoku, not to fight, but to save MF from his new fruit which is very different. Garp stood next to Sengoku in one panel and no fighting actually happened because right after, Coby screams for everyone to stop and Shanks arrives. That is the actual version of events, though i get how some ppl remember the anime version not the manga version.
BB was prepared to fight both(Garp/Sengoku) before the arrival of Shanks. Didn’t sniff a winning chance against Shanks, then Bin dipped an negotiated escape.

Handling Bonney, akainu went to them by himself like Kizaru was offering to go to Linlin. What did they do? Ran away!

secondly the Ace part. He uses bounty to justify why Kata is stronger than Ace. When I bring up what Shakky said about danger to civilians, he contradicts himself posting a Kuzan scan repeating the very same thing. Bounty = governmental threat. Of course Beast pirate and Big Mom pirates will have higher bounties than WB pirates because they have Road Poneglyphs + WB were pre time skip.

Thirdly he states Doffy to be > Ace. Though I believe that as well, using his Kata logic Ace bounty is whole ton humongous compared to Doffy’s despite Mingo selling weapons and Ace just being WB pirates(similar to Hancock)
 

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BB was prepared to fight both(Garp/Sengoku) before the arrival of Shanks. Didn’t sniff a winning chance against Shanks, then Bin dipped an negotiated escape.

Handling Bonney, akainu went to them by himself like Kizaru was offering to go to Linlin. What did they do? Ran away!

secondly the Ace part. He uses bounty to justify why Kata is stronger than Ace. When I bring up what Shakky said about danger to civilians, he contradicts himself posting a Kuzan scan repeating the very same thing. Bounty = governmental threat. Of course Beast pirate and Big Mom pirates will have higher bounties than WB pirates because they have Road Poneglyphs + WB were pre time skip.

Thirdly he states Doffy to be > Ace. Though I believe that as well, using his Kata logic Ace bounty is whole ton humongous compared to Doffy’s despite Mingo selling weapons and Ace just being WB pirates(similar to Hancock)
Bb certainly would fight against Sengoku but since he had no other option its a moot point. If he could get the f out of there he would have, but his only chance at survival was destroying the island and hoping to get away, . He knew theres no way for him to win. Shanks gave him an option to escape so he took it, sengoku never gave him that chance. Also
arguing how akainu soloed cuz bb ran but didnt run against sengoku is weird from another point as well, akainu was AT marineford lol, and yes he was busy but he would eventually go join sengoku

The bounty arguments here are so weird. Actually they are weird in general, first the new people and less avid fans equate it to strength and all ppl “in the know” jump ip and write “bounty =/= strength lul m8” when the truth is its a mix; its the best indicator of strength we have even if not accurate, it reflects danger to the WG, it reflects cruelty, it reflects a criminals position (ie captain or 3rd mate) ... and yes there was an abrupt jump in bounties after the TS which i assume is a bit of a hasty decision by oda just like with power and haki post ts.

As for Ace, he was the 2nd commander of the WB pirates, he is one of my fav characters but i think most fans would agree Marco and Katakuri are definitely stronger than him. “Only 2 years” argument is irrelevanant because even if we gat another couple year ts luffy will have gone from east blue 30m to pirate king in 4ish years(probably itll be 2 to begin with), so if he can beat kaido, bb and akainu in that time, he can beat ace after 2 years. Ace might have had more potential than Katakuri or Marco, maybe the same as Luffy but he died and now, with defeating Doffy and Kata, Luffy surpassed him. Bkunties or no, its easy to come to that conclusion
 

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idrc that much, tbh i ahvent even read enough to know who im contradicting here or if its relevant but since it was mentioned incorrectly it should be said that BB never rly fought Garp and Sengoku, he got the fruit, he punched MF once, Sengoku used 1 shockwave and damaged BB and his crew quite a lot. after that BB challanged Sengoku, not to fight, but to save MF from his new fruit which is very different. Garp stood next to Sengoku in one panel and no fighting actually happened because right after, Coby screams for everyone to stop and Shanks arrives. That is the actual version of events, though i get how some ppl remember the anime version not the manga version.
BB actually fought with Sengoku which was off panelled. Thats why Sengoku had injuries after the MF arc was over.


BB was prepared to fight both(Garp/Sengoku) before the arrival of Shanks. Didn’t sniff a winning chance against Shanks, then Bin dipped an negotiated escape.

Handling Bonney, akainu went to them by himself like Kizaru was offering to go to Linlin. What did they do? Ran away!

secondly the Ace part. He uses bounty to justify why Kata is stronger than Ace. When I bring up what Shakky said about danger to civilians, he contradicts himself posting a Kuzan scan repeating the very same thing. Bounty = governmental threat. Of course Beast pirate and Big Mom pirates will have higher bounties than WB pirates because they have Road Poneglyphs + WB were pre time skip.

Thirdly he states Doffy to be > Ace. Though I believe that as well, using his Kata logic Ace bounty is whole ton humongous compared to Doffy’s despite Mingo selling weapons and Ace just being WB pirates(similar to Hancock)
U seriously think Kizaru alone could do anything against a guy whose hype begins with in 1vs1 fight always bet on Kaido??? (Not to forget he has 3calamities with him at Wano. Last time marines needed Shichibukai n there full strength to beat one)

Bounties were always a indicator of how strong one is. Rarely bounties have been contradictory.
You can see how tense it become when people learnt about Luffy n Zoro's bounty
Danger lvl is one aspect of the bounty. Another one is the strength of that individual that's why luffy gets a raise after he defeated 2Yonko commanders.
Even Supernovas are also introduced with them being 100mil+ bounty guys.
 
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That quote literally is contradicting your statement but cool. A super powerful but conservative pirate will have a lower bounty than a reckless murder spree pirate, you agree on that but still think Ace is weaker than Pirates Luffy defeated... sure kid
That didn’t contradict anything. :|
There is no super powerful pirate that is conserved enough to have a low bounty.
Aokiji just said that the bounty reflects on the strength of a criminal. Danger level also plays into this factor hence Kidd’s case pretimeskip.
Excuse excuse excuse

BB had bravado thinking he was invincible after acquiring Gura Gura nomi, hence choosing to fight Sengoku and Garp. However he shit his pants and ran away from Akainu who was all by himself. Even Van Argur was shocked... now make more excuses nonce
There are no excuses, it literally happened. If it was an excuse of any kind, then you’d be implying that Akainu is stronger than Garp, Sengoku, and Shanks. That would be ignorant to imply as such because each of them would stomp Akainu.
 
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