Rokuogan would be better sending flames right through someone's body increasing his killing potential. The explosion force plus the Diablo jambe would be insane boost of power.Especially Rankyaku.
Rokuogan would be better sending flames right through someone's body increasing his killing potential. The explosion force plus the Diablo jambe would be insane boost of power.Especially Rankyaku.
Doubt it. I think that is too big and slow for Katakuri especially if his haki isn't depleted, he would see that coming from miles away. I think it would be more something along the lines of Goku using a combo of instant transmission and kamehameha, a quick and unexpected blow.So will Luffy KO Katakuri via King Kong Gun? Or something stronger.
Got to agree with him on this. Luffy is the main character, op has been going on for more than 15+ years. How tf you could possibly be disappointed Luffy finally defeats a yonko commander and advances his Haki is beyond me.I guess one of us, is going to be dissapointed then.
Bege is fodder. TbhWhat's that threat?
On what grounds is this conclusion based on?
If he meets him again later onwards then yeah I wouldn't mind. He just ran from the guy, when he couldn't beat him and no he is suddenly going to win?Got to agree with him on this. Luffy is the main character, op has been going on for more than 15+ years. How tf you could possibly be disappointed Luffy finally defeats a yonko commander and advances his Haki is beyond me.
The problem is losing to not only him, but someone weaker than him WITH help, and then getting stronger enough to beat him in the same arc just because.Got to agree with him on this. Luffy is the main character, op has been going on for more than 15+ years. How tf you could possibly be disappointed Luffy finally defeats a yonko commander and advances his Haki is beyond me.
Yea It'll be too fairy tailesque. I hope Oda doesn't use rayleighs words to just give power ups in too many fights it'll be disappointingThe problem is losing to not only him, but someone weaker than him WITH help, and then getting stronger enough to beat him in the same arc just because.
Yup. It's an awfully slipper slope because it can remove the tension of someone being weaker than someone because you're just gonna be asking "Well, why doesn't his/her Haki just shoot up and he wins." And if it doesn't, you'll be left asking "Why did it work in that situation, and not this?"Yea It'll be too fairy tailesque. I hope Oda doesn't use rayleighs words to just give power ups in too many fights it'll be disappointing
The first man guy luffy needs to beat, which is Dogtooth.What's that threat?
On what grounds is this conclusion based on?
Don't be surprised, it's Luffy. He developed gears 2 & 3 without any dedicated training and mastered haki in less time than Rayleigh expected he would.If he meets him again later onwards then yeah I wouldn't mind. He just ran from the guy, when he couldn't beat him and no he is suddenly going to win?
If he meets him again later onwards then yeah I wouldn't mind. He just ran from the guy, when he couldn't beat him and no he is suddenly going to win?
The problem is losing to not only him, but someone weaker than him WITH help, and then getting stronger enough to beat him in the same arc just because.
Yea It'll be too fairy tailesque. I hope Oda doesn't use rayleighs words to just give power ups in too many fights it'll be disappointing
Ah come on people. That's just this character vs character-attitude again where you want to establish a universal pecking order, but that's not how this works.Yup. It's an awfully slipper slope because it can remove the tension of someone being weaker than someone because you're just gonna be asking "Well, why doesn't his/her Haki just shoot up and he wins." And if it doesn't, you'll be left asking "Why did it work in that situation, and not this?"
One word to describe chapter 886 as a whole, Soru.Sanji speed feat was the highlight.
Uh, no. It's as simple as a character going from weaker than someone to being able to fight them just because isn't very good writing. Period. You can write all the long-winded, useless blocks of text to try and defend it if you want, it's just a lazy way to have your cake and eat it too by having "Oh no, will the main character win?" and then essentially deus ex machina'ing them out of the situation by going "Their Haki just happened to get stronger, and now they can win!"Ah come on people. That's just this character vs character-attitude again where you want to establish a universal pecking order, but that's not how this works.
What Rayleigh said is something I already suspected years ago to the point that this was nothing more than a formal confirmation. And why did I suspect this? Because all the bits and pieces of information we received throughout the years and reading between the lines led to that natural conclusion.
In FT you could complain that characters just get more powerful for no particular reason, but that does not apply to this situation. In OP you have the concept of "Haki", which is literally your own will and spirit becoming something substantial rather than being purely abstractions.
During the ID arc BB already noted that Luffy's haki had become much stronger despite the fact that he didn't even know the concept nor trained specifically for it. It naturally happened because Luffy kept beating tough foes, which is the most conventional way to increase your haki. However if this was something "rational" there wouldn't be much difference with someone's regular physical abilities nor would they put so much value on it. The way how haki works is far less conventional and strongly differs from individual to individual.
This is a fictional world. It might contain elements from the real world, but that doesn't take away it has mechanics that are different, but what you are doing is narrowing your own view and then apply real world logic that's misplaced. Saying stuff like "why does that one's Haki shoot up, but that one doesn't?" or "why does it work in that situation, but not in this one" is simply wrong.
Why are some characters born with the CoQ?
Why are weak characters like queen Otohime and Aisa born with such strong CoO?
Why did Codi's haki got unlocked with full force out of the blue?
Haki isn't something that can be put into absolutes rules, but that is exactly what you are trying do here.
They are trying to take down a Yonkou and her crew, which are entities that defy all rules and common sense. If there was some rational way of dealing with them, the WG and the Marines would have disposed of them long ago. That's why I'm never going to understand these thoughts of some people about new time skips as apparently just taking a temporary break would somehow do what they deem impossible now? If it's that simple, the Yonkou wouldn't be so frightening.
They are irrational, messed up entities and to overcome them you need to employ irrational and messed up ways and paradoxically enough that in itself is a rational thought. Luffy could spend the next 10 years preparing and avoiding the Yonkou, but what he could gain from a single victory over Dogtooth would be incomparable. That's what Rayleigh meant and that's what Luffy almost instinctively understands. This is something that also had been pointed out during the Enies Lobbies arc: Luffy somehow knows who he has to take on. That's not just him being cocky or wanting to fight, he understands that he needs to beat them to become stronger and that it is necessary if he wants to become the PK.
It's completely irrelevant that Luffy needed "help" with a "weaker" character. It's irrelevant that Dogtooth was superior in the beginning of the fight. What matters is that Luffy is being pushed to his limits and that he understands that if he wants to reach the next level, he has to beat him, but he understands that this is a very thin rope he's walking on. It's easy to say, but firmly believing is a different matter. You can't just replicate a situation like this and the tiniest crack in his spirit would most likely be his end. This is an all or nothing situation: either he dies or he becomes stronger than ever before. That he defeated Cracker with Nami was not important, however it was important that he won and that he pushed his limits, which in return increased his haki.
When did Luffy became more evenly matched with Dogtooth? When the latter's spirit got shaken. When does BM's elephant skin becomes vulnerable? When her spirit wavered after Caramel's picture got destroyed. This sounds easy, but there are only a small amount of characters who could actually do what Luffy is thinking right now. If Luffy would retreat now, the damage to his spirit could be substantial even if he escapes and he understands that. But if he wins, he would gain so much more. It's this attribute of his that attracts so many people to him, both allies and enemies. It's not his strength or reputation, but his unwavering spirit that makes them believe he can do it and that is manifested in his haki.
You might be reading the pages, but you're certainly not reading the story. You deprived it of all emotions, feelings and individuality and reduced it to dry reasonings about who should be beating who. You portray characters like they're interchangeable grey blobs. It's not because Luffy would succeed, that any other character would be able to do the same.
how is it random when it was explained that Haki gets stronger the more you use it and stretch it against stronger people?Uh, no. It's as simple as a character going from weaker than someone to being able to fight them just because isn't very good writing. Period. You can write all the long-winded, useless blocks of text to try and defend it if you want, it's just a lazy way to have your cake and eat it too by having "Oh no, will the main character win?" and then essentially deus ex machina'ing them out of the situation by going "Their Haki just happened to get stronger, and now they can win!"
Oda was on the right track with Katakuri having a weakness and his Haki having limits, that's what he should stick to. Not this nonsense "A character will get stronger randomly when they happen to need it" element that I hope to God he's not doing.
Because this was never indicated before at any point. And no, Teach saying Luffy's Haki has gotten better isn't an indicator of it because Luffy got gradually stronger before the timeskip, so it makes sense his Haki would as well. Entirely different ballpark than Haki jumping up mid-battle without training.how is it random when it was explained that Haki gets stronger the more you use it and stretch it against stronger people?
random would be Luffy pulling Gear 7 out of his ass rekting Katakuri left right and center.
I believe so.Is it possible that Luffy tapped into a glimpse of future sight when he tried to attack Mihawk during the Marineford war? Mihawk even says he was unusually calm. If that's true, then Luffy probably will gain that ability back in this fight and its going to allow him to beat Katakuri.
Thank you for posting that scan. Made me nut lava everywhere. FrI believe so.You must be registered for see linksWITHOUT being able to see a glimpse into the future with his observation haki. I almost forgot about that moment until you reminded me, but it being so long ago, some people forgot about it and Luffy didn't pay too much attention to it either, so it wasn't worked upon, not even during the timeskip. Yes, he can predict moments with his haki, but actually seeing when moments happen in the future is another thing, and apparently this was only hinted once back at Marineford.
The only problem with all of this is how Luffy is just going to develop this new skill out of the blue and have it on the same tier as Katakuri. He would obviously need some time to learn it, but he plans to take him on now and achieve it, which is iffy tbh.