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Pekom's debut since Mermaid-Island was promising. I was sure he'll fight either Zoro or Sanji. Turned out to be a complete disappointment. Kinda like something in Fairy Fail.
Yup I wrote countless times in discussion threads how badly this arc is written.

Bobbin was introduced as one of the closest guys of BM who basically destroyed a city because they failed to pay their tribute. Now the same guy lost to a fodder. Let's not forget he didn't even report BM that Sanji is not in his room.

BM surveillance was hyped so much at the beginning and now we see Luffy escaping prison, Sanji not in his room, Jinbei betraying, Bege making his move and BM doesnt even know what the f**k is happening around her(even doffy knew where SHs were in Dressrosa)?

God knows what CC is doing???

Pekoms basically vanished in this arc,

BM's FM is still missing and now we are going to see more fodder characters going to introduce in this arc.
 

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Yup I wrote countless times in discussion threads how badly this arc is written.

Bobbin was introduced as one of the closest guys of BM who basically destroyed a city because they failed to pay their tribute. Now the same guy lost to a fodder. Let's not forget he didn't even report BM that Sanji is not in his room.

BM surveillance was hyped so much at the beginning and now we see Luffy escaping prison, Sanji not in his room, Jinbei betraying, Bege making his move and BM doesnt even know what the f**k is happening around her(even doffy knew where SHs were in Dressrosa)?

God knows what CC is doing???

Pekoms basically vanished in this arc,

BM's FM is still missing and now we are going to see more fodder characters going to introduce in this arc.
The only person you have to blame for what happened to Bobbin is yourself. He had ONE convo with Big Mom and did some dirty work, and you jumped to him being some super duper top guy? It's your own dumb asphalt for not waiting for a portrayal more concrete.
 

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The only person you have to blame for what happened to Bobbin is yourself. He had ONE convo with Big Mom and did some dirty work, and you jumped to him being some super duper top guy? It's your own dumb asphalt for not waiting for a portrayal more concrete.
He was basically one shot by a fodder.
Its like Luffy beating Shiki in strong world yet u guys will never accept it as canon.
 

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He was basically one shot by a fodder.
Its like Luffy beating Shiki in strong world yet u guys will never accept it as canon.
There you go again. How do you know that Vito is fodder? You have no concrete portrayal to base your conclusions on, but it's the manga's fault that your premature conclusions turned out to be wrong?
 

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There you go again. How do you know that Vito is fodder? You have no concrete portrayal to base your conclusions on, but it's the manga's fault that your premature conclusions turned out to be wrong?
Ok let's for a second put Bobbin in Gladius spot and Vito in Barto's spot.
‹Even Barto struggled against Gladius but here Vito neg diff a guy who was portrayed like some Yonko commander›

Now let's take another example where Bobbin is a fodder, dont u think a fodder will report immediately to his superior regarding Sanji?
But what do we see? He immediately standup and said to other guys that nothing happened here.
Now I know they all fear BM but why the hell they are not communicating within themselves. Atleast that way they can quickly solve the problem before BM wakes up.
 

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He was basically one shot by a fodder.
Its like Luffy beating Shiki in strong world yet u guys will never accept it as canon.
Oh please, you think he is defeated 2 panels after his bounty and moniker were given and his Devil Fruit was revealed. Besides he is currently the only link to Big Mom that knows that Capone is dirty.

And you think he is out ? You're crazy.
 

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Oh please, you think he is defeated 2 panels after his bounty and moniker were given and his Devil Fruit was revealed. Besides he is currently the only link to Big Mom that knows that Capone is dirty.

And you think he is out ? You're crazy.
He is not the "only" guy who knows Capone has made his move. Currently a shit ton of characters know that they are in a big mess.
For ex: Pekoms, Brûlée her minion(knows Bege is a traitor), Opera & his minion(knows Jinbei betrayed & SH escaped), Jinbei knew from the starting that Capone is planning something big but u see Pekoms has vanished from this arc, Brûlée does nothing and Opera has no interest in catching SH.
And it doesn't matter if he comes later in this arc. That fodder basically shotted him once and he was down.
Even if he somehow manages to return he will have no role other than saying "Mama Capone betrayed us" and that's it.
 

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He is not the "only" guy who knows Capone has made his move. Currently a shit ton of characters know that they are in a big mess.
For ex: Pekoms, Brûlée her minion(knows Bege is a traitor), Opera & his minion(knows Jinbei betrayed & SH escaped), Jinbei knew from the starting that Capone is planning something big but u see Pekoms has vanished from this arc, Brûlée does nothing and Opera has no interest in catching SH.
And it doesn't matter if he comes later in this arc. That fodder basically shotted him once and he was down.
Even if he somehow manages to return he will have no role other than saying "Mama Capone betrayed us" and that's it.
What a weak response. If you want to shit on a character because you were expecting more of him be my guest, but at least do it for the right reason.

You're mixing things up, I said the only link to big mom that know Capone is dirty. So first of all putting Opera and Jimbei in this group makes no sense. Because Opera doesn't know about Capone, and Jimbei has a different agenda and is not loyal to Big Mom. Second of all Pekoms is knocked out on Jimbei's ship and Diesel and Brulee are captured, so they're not getting to Big Mom.

In any way you look at that Bobbins is the only one with the information, and with a way to get that information to Big Mom. He is called the fixer, he is going to try and fix things.

Third, you went by the argument of him getting gunned down one second of him having a Devil Fruit revealed, and you're not only suggesting his role is played out in this arc. You're stating it as a fact.

Fourth, how do you know he is fodder ? There was a guy in Capone's crew with a special gun. It might be a special ability or a strong gun like the vinsmokes are bringing to the wedding.

And finally if Capone's crew consists out of fodder, he would be no use as an ally against a yonkou. If they have to fight invitees to the tea party who are stronger than Big Mom's Commanders, you can't really have them stumble on fighting a weakened character who walked into an ambush.

And again to say his role is over, is just stupid. This is One Piece, if you don't understand he got shot for a reason you might as well just buy the Donald Duck and read it for the story. Because Oda could've done perfectly well without shooting Bobbins, but I bet you never asked yourself why he got shot. It's guaranteed to come up later on and screw something up somehow.

Don't be mad at Bobbins that he isn't the badass with the big sword you expected him to be, be mad at yourself that you hyped him too much after reading one text bubble about him.
 

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You know? It will make me smile if Bege asked Luffy where is that pirate hunter, Zoro. Since it was the last time Bege ever saw Zoro almost going to kill Saint. Charloss.

[video=youtube;VwP-A21qxvQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwP-A21qxvQ[/video]
 

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What a weak response. If you want to shit on a character because you were expecting more of him be my guest, but at least do it for the right reason.

You're mixing things up, I said the only link to big mom that know Capone is dirty. So first of all putting Opera and Jimbei in this group makes no sense. Because Opera doesn't know about Capone, and Jimbei has a different agenda and is not loyal to Big Mom. Second of all Pekoms is knocked out on Jimbei's ship and Diesel and Brulee are captured, so they're not getting to Big Mom.

In any way you look at that Bobbins is the only one with the information, and with a way to get that information to Big Mom. He is called the fixer, he is going to try and fix things.

Third, you went by the argument of him getting gunned down one second of him having a Devil Fruit revealed, and you're not only suggesting his role is played out in this arc. You're stating it as a fact.

Fourth, how do you know he is fodder ? There was a guy in Capone's crew with a special gun. It might be a special ability or a strong gun like the vinsmokes are bringing to the wedding.

And finally if Capone's crew consists out of fodder, he would be no use as an ally against a yonkou. If they have to fight invitees to the tea party who are stronger than Big Mom's Commanders, you can't really have them stumble on fighting a weakened character who walked into an ambush.

And again to say his role is over, is just stupid. This is One Piece, if you don't understand he got shot for a reason you might as well just buy the Donald Duck and read it for the story. Because Oda could've done perfectly well without shooting Bobbins, but I bet you never asked yourself why he got shot. It's guaranteed to come up later on and screw something up somehow.

Don't be mad at Bobbins that he isn't the badass with the big sword you expected him to be, be mad at yourself that you hyped him too much after reading one text bubble about him.
Hit the nail on the head, and especially with the bold.
 

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You're mixing things up, I said the only link to big mom that know Capone is dirty. So first of all putting Opera and Jimbei in this group makes no sense. Because Opera doesn't know about Capone, and Jimbei has a different agenda and is not loyal to Big Mom. Second of all Pekoms is knocked out on Jimbei's ship and Diesel and Brulee are captured, so they're not getting to Big Mom.
1)Jinbei knew from the beginning that Capone is ploting against BM. He can simply made an agreement with BM saying I will name the traitor in your squad and u will release me from your group(that's a different thing if it works or not)
2)Brulee had her chance when Nami and others were trying to grab Brook from BM but she didn't woke her up. Other characters like Opera and his minions can also alert other guys that Straw hats had escape prison but they didn't, this whole arc is like I m not saying anything because Mamma is going to kill me :lol

In any way you look at that Bobbins is the only one with the information, and with a way to get that information to Big Mom. He is called the fixer, he is going to try and fix things.
U think they left Bobbin in the middle of a street to die?
If he is alive then he is most probably in Capone's dungeon right now.

Third, you went by the argument of him getting gunned down one second of him having a Devil Fruit revealed, and you're not only suggesting his role is played out in this arc. You're stating it as a fact.
I m not stating it as a fact. I m simply saying what I read in this chapter. Until Bobbin comes back in future your theory that he is a fixer is nothing but a speculation.

Fourth, how do you know he is fodder ? There was a guy in Capone's crew with a special gun. It might be a special ability or a strong gun like the vinsmokes are bringing to the wedding.
U should read my previous post before writing BS. I already put them in a scenario where I compared Vito with Bartolomeo & Bobbin with Gladius.

And finally if Capone's crew consists out of fodder, he would be no use as an ally against a yonkou. If they have to fight invitees to the tea party who are stronger than Big Mom's Commanders, you can't really have them stumble on fighting a weakened character who walked into an ambush.
So u are trying to say Capones crew is super strong that's why he was able to join BM.
I guess Drakes crew is then Super Super Strong that's why he joined Kaido's rank :lol
And they dont have to fight everybody. Their plan is more like assassinate BM. Even Ceasar is going to make his move once the commotion begins like using some kind of gas weapon.

And again to say his role is over, is just stupid
When did I said his role is over? I said he was nothing but a disappointment at the end after getting such a portrayal when he was introduced.

This is One Piece, if you don't understand he got shot for a reason you might as well just buy the Donald Duck and read it for the story.
Its not that complex. People previously have died when somebody shotted them from back(Nami's mom, Rebecca's mom) and even from front(WB, corazon).
And I have read shit tonnes of manga/novels/religious books which are far more complex that OP is, even debated some of them in this forum. So dont post this BS again.

Because Oda could've done perfectly well without shooting Bobbins, but I bet you never asked yourself why he got shot. It's guaranteed to come up later on and screw something up somehow.
He got shot because he was trying to catch Sanji and Vinsmoke fanboy didn't want that to happen.
It doesn't matter if he comes back again or not. He is not the only guy who vanished in this arc. If he comes back his role would be limited to disclose Capone's treachery.

Don't be mad at Bobbins that he isn't the badass with the big sword you expected him to be, be mad at yourself that you hyped him too much after reading one text bubble about him.
Portrayal/Hype wise he was shown like some Yonko commander.
He immediately standup after Sanji kicking him and he did looked like a tough guy but he got soloed neg diff. So obviously me or any other guy who thought we are going to get something from Bobbin will be disappointed.

What a weak response. If you want to shit on a character because you were expecting more of him be my guest, but at least do it for the right reason.
So can you explain me what's the right way on shitting on a character who basically got neg diff :elmo:
 

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1)Jinbei knew from the beginning that Capone is ploting against BM. He can simply made an agreement with BM saying I will name the traitor in your squad and u will release me from your group(that's a different thing if it works or not)
2)Brulee had her chance when Nami and others were trying to grab Brook from BM but she didn't woke her up. Other characters like Opera and his minions can also alert other guys that Straw hats had escape prison but they didn't, this whole arc is like I m not saying anything because Mamma is going to kill me :lol


U think they left Bobbin in the middle of a street to die?
If he is alive then he is most probably in Capone's dungeon right now.


I m not stating it as a fact. I m simply saying what I read in this chapter. Until Bobbin comes back in future your theory that he is a fixer is nothing but a speculation.


U should read my previous post before writing BS. I already put them in a scenario where I compared Vito with Bartolomeo & Bobbin with Gladius.


So u are trying to say Capones crew is super strong that's why he was able to join BM.
I guess Drakes crew is then Super Super Strong that's why he joined Kaido's rank :lol
And they dont have to fight everybody. Their plan is more like assassinate BM. Even Ceasar is going to make his move once the commotion begins like using some kind of gas weapon.


When did I said his role is over? I said he was nothing but a disappointment at the end after getting such a portrayal when he was introduced.


Its not that complex. People previously have died when somebody shotted them from back(Nami's mom, Rebecca's mom) and even from front(WB, corazon).
And I have read shit tonnes of manga/novels/religious books which are far more complex that OP is, even debated some of them in this forum. So dont post this BS again.


He got shot because he was trying to catch Sanji and Vinsmoke fanboy didn't want that to happen.
It doesn't matter if he comes back again or not. He is not the only guy who vanished in this arc. If he comes back his role would be limited to disclose Capone's treachery.


Portrayal/Hype wise he was shown like some Yonko commander.
He immediately standup after Sanji kicking him and he did looked like a tough guy but he got soloed neg diff. So obviously me or any other guy who thought we are going to get something from Bobbin will be disappointed.


So can you explain me what's the right way on shitting on a character who basically got neg diff :elmo:
Simply don't shit on characters, it's just that easy as it seems you are still oblivious to the reality that the only thing you do is trying to justify your own pitiful excuses to foulmouth random characters and I might add you are doing a horrible job at it. I haven't seen you post a single sensible thing in this thread to validate your own actions. You are not even thinking clearly about the things you say. You have no notion whatsoever of the concept of context nor about the complexity each character possesses. To Oda each and every character is unique and has its own history that determines how they act, you however have the shallow idea that all of them are flat mass-produced characters created on the spot that can be switched out without a problem and that they either belong into the "fodder" or "super powerful" categories. Sorry to break your bubble, but it's not that easy. For someone who claims to have read a lot, your perception of literature is rather flaccid and superficial. The fact that you are talking about "shitting on characters" says enough as anyone who even remotely has an affinity with reading and understanding literature, would consider something like that childish, stupid and even insulting.

You are the one who decided to make baseless visions in your mind of certain characters, not us nor the series. If you are disappointed, well that's your business, but as said before if you are going to complain about it, do it for justifiable reasons and those concoctions you made up yourself in your head are not valid reasons as you can't blame anyone else but yourself for those.
 

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You know? It will make me smile if Bege asked Luffy where is that pirate hunter, Zoro. Since it was the last time Bege ever saw Zoro almost going to kill Saint. Charloss.

[video=youtube;VwP-A21qxvQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwP-A21qxvQ[/video]
Such an epic scene :score:

Man, I can't wait for Bege and Luffy's interaction!
 

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Simply don't shit on characters, it's just that easy as it seems you are still oblivious to the reality that the only thing you do is trying to justify your own pitiful excuses to foulmouth random characters and I might add you are doing a horrible job at it. I haven't seen you post a single sensible thing in this thread to validate your own actions.
I posted what I read in this chapter and the previos one.
If Bobbins returns like a terminator, its fine, I dont have any problem with that but at present he is a disappointment for me.

You are not even thinking clearly about the things you say. You have no notion whatsoever of the concept of context nor about the complexity each character possesses. To Oda each and every character is unique and has its own history that determines how they act, you however have the shallow idea that all of them are flat mass-produced characters created on the spot that can be switched out without a problem and that they either belong into the "fodder" or "super powerful" categories. Sorry to break your bubble, but it's not that easy.
This whole arc is kind of messy and I have already given so many reasons like:
1)BM got Brulee who could keep on eye on anybody via mirrors but this job is given to that book guy(even Riker accepted this)
2)People basically vanished after getting introduced or killed like BM's husband or that living tree.
4)BM surveillance was hyped so much but now nobody has a clue what is happening around them. Luffy basically jumped out of the prison in front of them and they didn't sent any strong guy to catch him(even though they perfectly know that Luffy has defeated a Yonko commander)
5)BM's fourth commander is still missing even after so much commotion has already taken place.
Now tell me where I m wrong when I posted these flaws in this arc.

For someone who claims to have read a lot, your perception of literature is rather flaccid and superficial. The fact that you are talking about "shitting on characters" says enough as anyone who even remotely has an affinity with reading and understanding literature, would consider something like that childish, stupid and even insulting.
So now I need to prove how much literature I have read,
I started reading Hindu epics like Ramayana, Mahabharata and Life on Gautam Buddha when I was in 7th/8th standard(it was part of my school curriculum) To understand them properly u need to learn a little bit about Karma and stuff.
I have also read WW2 novels/watched documentaries relating Annie Frank, Torture in SS camps and even met a german lady who was from that period and was disgusted by what Hitler did in her country.
I have also read/watched Roman History(Nero, Spartacus, Ceasar) and barbarians(Atilla, Hannibal) who use to attack them. Read a novel relating last days of Pompeii. Saladin's history, Alexandar's history, Gengis khan documentary.
I can go on but I suppose u got my point that I dont need to read Donald Duck because a certain character didn't showed what I was expecting from him.

You are the one who decided to make baseless visions in your mind of certain characters, not us nor the series. If you are disappointed, well that's your business, but as said before if you are going to complain about it, do it for justifiable reasons and those concoctions you made up yourself in your head are not valid reasons as you can't blame anyone else but yourself for those.
I gave my answer above. Until he shows back and contributes something which is game changing, he will be a disappointment for me.
 

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I posted what I read in this chapter and the previos one.
If Bobbins returns like a terminator, its fine, I dont have any problem with that but at present he is a disappointment for me.


This whole arc is kind of messy and I have already given so many reasons like:
1)BM got Brulee who could keep on eye on anybody via mirrors but this job is given to that book guy(even Riker accepted this)
2)People basically vanished after getting introduced or killed like BM's husband or that living tree.
4)BM surveillance was hyped so much but now nobody has a clue what is happening around them. Luffy basically jumped out of the prison in front of them and they didn't sent any strong guy to catch him(even though they perfectly know that Luffy has defeated a Yonko commander)
5)BM's fourth commander is still missing even after so much commotion has already taken place.
Now tell me where I m wrong when I posted these flaws in this arc.


So now I need to prove how much literature I have read,
I started reading Hindu epics like Ramayana, Mahabharata and Life on Gautam Buddha when I was in 7th/8th standard(it was part of my school curriculum) To understand them properly u need to learn a little bit about Karma and stuff.
I have also read WW2 novels/watched documentaries relating Annie Frank, Torture in SS camps and even met a german lady who was from that period and was disgusted by what Hitler did in her country.
I have also read/watched Roman History(Nero, Spartacus, Ceasar) and barbarians(Atilla, Hannibal) who use to attack them. Read a novel relating last days of Pompeii. Saladin's history, Alexandar's history, Gengis khan documentary.
I can go on but I suppose u got my point that I dont need to read Donald Duck because a certain character didn't showed what I was expecting from him.


I gave my answer above. Until he shows back and contributes something which is game changing, he will be a disappointment for me.
Oh wow look at this Mr. Discovery Channel over here.

But for real the points you're bringing up about Big Mom's husband and King Baum have all been covered. The reason why Opera didn't do anything after the jailbreak has been covered, and they still think Brullee is in the forest with Chopper and Carrot so that also is covered.

So instead of reading maybe work on remembering it too, because everything has been explained. So it's not messy, you just don't like how it's handled that is something different. You're perfectly fine to have an opinion about an arc but present that as a opinion and not as an fact.

Besides, the whole list of literature and documentaries with the exception of those Hindu fairy tales, I think 90% of the people here who finished elementary school have read that. One last thing in case you run into old German women again, it's Anne Frank by the way. Annie is the girl from the musical.
 

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Oh wow look at this Mr. Discovery Channel over here.

But for real the points you're bringing up about Big Mom's husband and King Baum have all been covered. The reason why Opera didn't do anything after the jailbreak has been covered, and they still think Brullee is in the forest with Chopper and Carrot so that also is covered.

So instead of reading maybe work on remembering it too, because everything has been explained. So it's not messy, you just don't like how it's handled that is something different. You're perfectly fine to have an opinion about an arc but present that as a opinion and not as an fact.
U need to read some of my points again.
First point was why Opera or Book guy was made chief in keeping an eye of SHs. This duty can be better performed by Brule because her df gives her the ability to keep any eye on anybody through mirrors.

Second point was sudden disappearance of certain characters like BM's husband who is still missing.

Third point was BM surveillance hype which is now basically shit now because nobody wants to say anything because of the fear that BM will steal his/her life from him, but they can communicate within themselves na. Atleast that way Opera can say that I already told the book guy that SH escaped but he didn't sent his army behind him(something like that). That way he can save himself to a certain degree from the wrath of BM.

And final point is last missing commander. Now the only reason of his/her presence not in Cake island means either he/she is plotting something or he/she is not in Cake island(but since its his/her sister's wedding then he should be present in Cake island)

Besides, the whole list of literature and documentaries with the exception of those Hindu fairy tales, I think 90% of the people here who finished elementary school have read that.
School textbook doesn't cover all the things if u study deep in that matter u will see lots of things school books omits. For example: Alexander's History like the politics in his era where his mother assassinated his father for the throne.
He is also regarded as the man who won/conquered Asia even though his armies halted in Northern part of India and dont want to go ahead.

One last thing in case you run into old German women again, it's Anne Frank by the way. Annie is the girl from the musical.
That was typing mistake. And I did borrowed the book from her. I didnot read the book full but I liked her story. Later I watched her documentary in History Channel and I was sad to see she died few days/weeks ago before that concentration camp was freed.
 
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I posted what I read in this chapter and the previos one.
If Bobbins returns like a terminator, its fine, I dont have any problem with that but at present he is a disappointment for me.


This whole arc is kind of messy and I have already given so many reasons like:
1)BM got Brulee who could keep on eye on anybody via mirrors but this job is given to that book guy(even Riker accepted this)
2)People basically vanished after getting introduced or killed like BM's husband or that living tree.
4)BM surveillance was hyped so much but now nobody has a clue what is happening around them. Luffy basically jumped out of the prison in front of them and they didn't sent any strong guy to catch him(even though they perfectly know that Luffy has defeated a Yonko commander)
5)BM's fourth commander is still missing even after so much commotion has already taken place.
Now tell me where I m wrong when I posted these flaws in this arc.


So now I need to prove how much literature I have read,
I started reading Hindu epics like Ramayana, Mahabharata and Life on Gautam Buddha when I was in 7th/8th standard(it was part of my school curriculum) To understand them properly u need to learn a little bit about Karma and stuff.
I have also read WW2 novels/watched documentaries relating Annie Frank, Torture in SS camps and even met a german lady who was from that period and was disgusted by what Hitler did in her country.
I have also read/watched Roman History(Nero, Spartacus, Ceasar) and barbarians(Atilla, Hannibal) who use to attack them. Read a novel relating last days of Pompeii. Saladin's history, Alexandar's history, Gengis khan documentary.
I can go on but I suppose u got my point that I dont need to read Donald Duck because a certain character didn't showed what I was expecting from him.


I gave my answer above. Until he shows back and contributes something which is game changing, he will be a disappointment for me.
The only things you posted are nonsensical arguments you tried to use as an excuse for your shallow foul-mouthing of characters and this arc as a whole. You can be disappointed. If that was the end of Bobbins I also would be disappointed, however that would just be because I thought he seemed interesting, but I wouldn't blame nor insult anyone for that as there are seriously enough characters and you can't reasonable expect all of them to be amazing. You however are trashing multiple characters for no reason whatsoever and blame them for expectations you put in place, but didn't got fulfilled.

1) Brulee's power allows her to trap people inside her mirror world, but not restrain them and it was specifically stated by Chopper that this is something that could easily be used to their advantage. Brulee had to physically restrain them inside her world while everyone, as long as they are inside that world, could contact people from the outside through the mirrors. As a prison her world simply sucks and the Strawhats used the flaws in her abilities to their utmost advantage. Mont d'Or books function way better as a prison. So Brulee couldn't be asked for practical reasons as she was busy on top of her powers not being suited for the task. It has also been clearly shown that it's not easy to get a hold of the correct mirror as there are thousands and no doubt there are several people who refuse to have mirrors or are very reluctant in using them for this very reason. The Charlotte clan is not a happy family where everyone trusts one another, there are numerous examples of this. You could then ask yourself why it is that no one wondered where Brulee now exactly was, but hey don't forget that she was part of the squad that was meant to take down Luffy in the Seducing Woods. And what happened to them? Cracker's body got blasted into the castle while numerous homies "defected" towards the Strawhats. They might have assumed that she was put out of commission likewise or something along those lines.


2) If you mean King Baum, he got slashed into half, his corpse was even recently shown and he was just a homie. Where you now expecting that every single one of the homies or every single child of BM would play a pivotal role in the story? And this arc is far from over. This might be a stupid notion of someone who clearly has not even remotely read as much as you, but you might want to wait till the story is over before complaining about certain characters suddenly disappearing because I don't know, they might reappear in the near future? Just a thought that everyone with a rational mind would agree upon.



3) It's obvious you have absolutely no awareness whatsoever of what kind of family this actually is. If you want a real life example, it's pretty much the family of a Roman emperor. There's a reason why so many of the Roman emperors are remembered as tyrants and lunatics. On one hand they grew up in luxury, on the other hand they were under permanent physical, mental and psychological stress as only one can rule and the political play field could change rapidly. So when you have people like that eventually ending up in a position of absolute power, then you have a recipe for disaster and this is what's happening here. BM is nuts. She has a short-fuse, is ridiculously strong, often unreasonable, goes occasionally on an irrational rampage and despite all her talking about "family", in the end to her that means if you're useful, you're spoiled, if not you're disposable and don't even dare to go against her. All her children had to grew up with that kind of mom, while most of their fathers were nothing more than sperm tanks that got immediately discarded afterwards. So an emotionally unstable mom, no father, but nearly a 100 half-siblings and all of them are on a leash as they can only do what BM tells them to do and that's being useful towards her dream of establishing that horrifying parody of an utopia of hers where all the different races of the world pay taxes with pieces of their souls. Yes this sure is a nice environment to grow up in.

If you read the manga you can see how messed up this is: 2 daughters made it extremely obvious they choose their husbands over their mother any day of the week even if they go against her. Another daughter who defied BM is on her hit list and Mont d'Or even specifically stated he didn't trust Opera, his own brother. Big Mum rules by installing fear, not loyalty and many of the children who somewhat seem loyal, have some severe issues themselves due to their upbringing: Cracker, Brulee and especially Pudding need a shrink. Opera had all the reason to be afraid, but then you made it appear like he is a wuss scared of his mom giving him some spanking.

That he lied is perfectly normal. Putting aside the fact that it's possible he's still trying to solve his screw-up off-panel, neither he nor anyone else believes the Strawhats can do anything threatening towards BM herself. Their biggest fear is that the Strawhats might piss off BM and that she goes on a frenzy. The thought that they, alongside with the support of one of their own (Capone), might attempt to kill her, is absurd for them. These people were raised by a Yonkou, their sense of reasoning and view of the world is completely different than ours. So Opera's actions were perfectly rational seeing his circumstances and to them Luffy is nothing more than an arrogant and annoying bug in comparison to BM. They were eventually able to subdue him without the need of another commander, so they don't fear him in the least. We know that that is unwise, but yeah we are meta gaming here.

What is happening now, is the result of BM's fear-policy being hit on its inherent weaknesses by several unforeseen circumstances that are accumulating together: the Strawhats, the Vinsmokes, the Firetank Pirates, the Sun Pirates, BM's vivre card, the existing distrust between BM's siblings, the world view that Yonkou are invincible, the Tamatebako...and all of that is going to blow up during the wedding.

For someone like me who loves history an arc like this is paradise as the parallels are everywhere and the complexity is breathtaking and it's kinda sad that you are boasting about how you watched documentaries about Nero and the like, but completely failed to see any of this.


4) BM clearly stated it's very rare for all the commanders to be together, which is logical as if you rule a territory, it's not wise to have all your forces located in a single point. You only do that if it's absolutely necessary. Also the "commotion" that happened, well for them that's more of short disruption. Again they can barely apprehend the idea that someone might do something like trying to kill BM. A few chapters ago Mont d'Or was analyzing the situation and determined that everything was more or less on schedule. For them there is no threat other than BM. She's the danger, not the Strawhats nor anyone else. The only danger they pose, is that they might function as a trigger for BM. The reality is extremely simple: there's no reason yet for the last commander to be involved. I even dare say we will only see him for the first time during the actual wedding. Don't forget either that this is a story and introducing powerful characters with intervals is simply better for the plot.


Now where are you wrong? Everywhere. Even your counting is wrong: 1, 2, 4, 5. You already did a poor job before at trying to support your statements, but this is horrendous.

Btw useful tip if you try to convince someone of how literate you are, especially if it was unwanted: don't start listing up the books you supposedly "read" and the documentaries you "watched" as that's, again, childish and immature. Everyone can read, but it's pointless if you don't understand what you read and you have made it clear you are completely oblivious to the notion of understanding as apparently the most important lesson Anne Frank taught was the urge of trashing characters. Congrats.
 

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U need to read some of my points again.
First point was why Opera or Book guy was made chief in keeping an eye of SHs. This duty can be better performed by Brule because her df gives her the ability to keep any eye on anybody through mirrors.

Second point was sudden disappearance of certain characters like BM's husband who is still missing.

Third point was BM surveillance hype which is now basically shit now because nobody wants to say anything because of the fear that BM will steal his/her life from him, but they can communicate within themselves na. Atleast that way Opera can say that I already told the book guy that SH escaped but he didn't sent his army behind him(something like that). That way he can save himself to a certain degree from the wrath of BM.

And final point is last missing commander. Now the only reason of his/her presence not in Cake island means either he/she is plotting something or he/she is not in Cake island(but since its his/her sister's wedding then he should be present in Cake island)


School textbook doesn't cover all the things if u study deep in that matter u will see lots of things school books omits. For example: Alexander's History like the politics in his era where his mother assassinated his father for the throne.
He is also regarded as the man who won/conquered Asia even though his armies halted in Northern part of India and dont want to go ahead.


That was typing mistake. And I did borrowed the book from her. I didnot read the book full but I liked her story. Later I watched her documentary in History Channel and I was sad to see she died few days/weeks ago before that concentration camp was freed.
I think it's cool you have a great intrest in history and it's effects later on. And I think we could talk a lot about some of these subjects. But we're not going to be agreeing on the topic of Bobbins I'm affraid. So I'm not going to write 3 paragraphs again to wait for an inevitable response.

I will just say one more thing about it. If history has learned us anything it is that Oda doesn't leave loose ends and he cares for his character. Give him some credit. I'm sure Bobbins will redeem himself.
 
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