[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 857 Discussion and 858 Predictions
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Never in the world I have expected Luffy to be so casual about joining forces with Bege espcially after what happened to Sanji,I thought It would be a blood war,but snap! that caught me off-guard!
Other than that I'd be very happy if Jinbei joins SH's he seems like someone who would guide SH's to better.
Also Nami is that kind of girl who would:"Remember that time when you did that to me" Sanji 24/7 now XD
Other than that I'd be very happy if Jinbei joins SH's he seems like someone who would guide SH's to better.
Also Nami is that kind of girl who would:"Remember that time when you did that to me" Sanji 24/7 now XD
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I dont really get the Bege deal though.. He wants to take Big Mom's head, yet flees away and almost shits his pants when he sees Nekomamushi, ( I know the best action wasn't to fight at that moment) but he was still sweating at the mere sight of him..
and what was the deal when he said " the Vinsmokes are my heroes"?
and what was the deal when he said " the Vinsmokes are my heroes"?
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Bege had to act the way he did when we first saw him because the author didn't want us to have this information until this time. That's all. People ignore that sometimes something won't be revealed as early as it could have been because it's reveal is being saved for later, like G4 Luffy's had G4 since FMI but it would have been a waste to show it then so instead we saw him use G3 on Noah.
The part about the Vinsmokes being his heroes is how it sounds. He must have grown up hearing those stories Vito shared and loved their stories. Capone respects the Vinsmoke legacy which seems to be a strong indicator they'll be saved and I don't really see how they'll be able to save them from BM w/o defeating her.
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Interesting turn of events. I never considered the possibility that Bege and the Strawhats might team up. Still with the Tamatebako exploding, the only thing that can happen is complete pandemonium. This chapter also explains some of the things I had been wondering about. What was the point in trying to kill Pekoms and Bobbins? If BM's fighters suspiciously disappear, they are putting their plan in jeopardy. But yeah if they are in charge of the party's security...
The most intriguing part though was that Jinbei said that Capone pretty much had to flee from his home and that his pursuers were persistent and strong enough to follow him all the way to the New World, while he also said that many important people of the underworld will attend the tea party. I can't really imagine that amongst them are not some of the people that pursued Bege.
And that was not him who said that, that was Vito. That became pretty clear due to his laugh "nyororo".
The most intriguing part though was that Jinbei said that Capone pretty much had to flee from his home and that his pursuers were persistent and strong enough to follow him all the way to the New World, while he also said that many important people of the underworld will attend the tea party. I can't really imagine that amongst them are not some of the people that pursued Bege.
This was pretty much addressed by Jinbei in this chapter: Capone has been planning this scheme of his meticulously. If he thought he could just beat her head on, he wouldn't be going through all this effort. What I like about this arc, is that it shows that power comes in many different forms.
And that was not him who said that, that was Vito. That became pretty clear due to his laugh "nyororo".
chopstickchakra
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And nobody stopping them from said ambush since the head of security is in on it. As much as people may hate to acknowledge it, it seems like Capone may have been set to succeed even w/o Luffy.
Yeah sure, Bege taking out a yonkou with his fodder army in his belly.
The only thing Bege is being set up for is a scapegoat to ruin the wedding and Luffy sneaking out the back door while Big Mom focuses her rage on him and his crew.
Bege was introduced as an a-hole, and a-holes get punched in the face in the end in One Piece.
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I guess this chapter basically explained why Bege was dead set on taking Sanji back then on Zou. If he ddnt take Sanji then, then most likely he would not have been able to execute his plan.
Gotta give the guy credit, he might not be powerful but he seems to be adept at coming up with solid plans.
Gotta give the guy credit, he might not be powerful but he seems to be adept at coming up with solid plans.
No matter how much one plans, in the end you're still dealing with a Yonkou here. Frankly this reminds me if what Law said to Luffy when they solidified their alliance, namely that even in the most positive case the plan only had around a 30% chance of succeeding and I reckon it's similar for Bege as Law had likewise been planning for a while. That the plan was centered around Sanji's wedding says enough as to BM the potential reaction of the Strawhats might be of no importance, however Bege is a different matter. He's very well aware of the Strawhats reputation, still it seems he thought that BM's name alone would have been enough to keep them quiet and hadn't anticipated at all on their meddling, which is quite important at this stage. He can't allow them to do as they please as that could put his entire plan in jeopardy, so now he only has two options: either he allies with them or destroys them and the latter bares the most risk as it could draw unwanted attention on top of potentially weakening his fighting force.
The point is that in the end Bege's plan is far from being perfect and is similar to Law's plan in the essence of that it's the best you can get when dealing with a Yonkou, but from an overall perspective is still very shaky. Inherently the plan almost provoked the Strawhats into butting in, so that Bege would succeed without the Strawhats hinges on the premise that the Strawhats would have never involved themselves at all, which was never a realistic thought and that shows that even if we remove the Strawhats factor, Bege could easily end up as BM's next soul meal.
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There's a perfectly good chance now that BM might fall this arc after all. Bege should be able to sneak all the SH in and I'm reasonably sure that he's going to get a good free hit at BM. The bomb going off is also the perfect occasion for the SH to escape. Bege seems like the kinda guy who would betray Luffy so Luffy should just leave half way with Sanji and leave him to deal with BM. I'm liking where this is going. Anything is still possible.
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Marineford was hundreds against 2 and the 2 still won.
Strawhats vs Hody's crew was 10 vs 10000. Who won?
Not to mention we JUST found out Big Mom has people stronger and more forces than what we've seen so far, plus Black Market allies who may or may not fight with her.
Calling it now is just dumb, especially if you're basing it on "four against one."
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Sengoku, Garb, Aokiji, Kizaru, Akainu, Mihawk, Kuma, Doffy
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Edward, Luffy, Jinbe, Crocodile, Marco, Jozu, Vista
There are so many details about this war you can't simplify it in 100s vs 2 ... It is messy.
Hody's crew are no different than the fodders they led. Even Hody himself is fodder got his ass delivered by a non-Captain marimo.Riker said:
Looking at Luffy vs Cracker, you're right. There are many like Cracker we expect them to give hard time to this alliance. I'm just counting on the thought of Vinsmokes (not important to count GERMAsince I said Vinsmokes in general) to increase the chance of getting the Charlotte Family down. I'm sure they are a strong factor to taking down Linlin.Riker said:
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I think oda ran out of ideas in this arc.
We already saw glimse of Arlong/Ennies Lobby/Thriller Bark arcs like Sanji saying help me.
We also saw another Bartolomeo like guy who basically one shotted Bobbins.
I liked Bege's mafia history but I dont see how Pekoms is going to fit in this scenario.
We already saw glimse of Arlong/Ennies Lobby/Thriller Bark arcs like Sanji saying help me.
We also saw another Bartolomeo like guy who basically one shotted Bobbins.
I liked Bege's mafia history but I dont see how Pekoms is going to fit in this scenario.
Hundreds against 2 :elmo:
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Pekom's debut since Mermaid-Island was promising. I was sure he'll fight either Zoro or Sanji. Turned out to be a complete disappointment. Kinda like something in Fairy Fail.
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