[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 854 Discussion and 855 Predictions

[Punk Hazard]

Cool you believe that. Big Mom called them her clones a chapter ago, one chapter later a mid trio injures them. That's lost hype in my books.

I like how you can't address the fact that Brook and the Homies have a unique interaction that functions independently of the gap of strength between Brook and Big Mom.

You realize that Sanji, Luffy, Zoro and the other mid-tier Strawhats, in all likelihood, DON'T have this interaction and couldn't do the same themselves? Big Mom has fought other Yonko and competed with ROGER, and it wasn't until Brook that it was injured.

I guess by your logic, Brook>Yonko and Roger.

 

[ToshiZO]

Except in my first reply to that, I already explained being able to damage something does not mean you should be able to.

You can spin it whichever way you want to, "special power", a mid level SH damaged what Big Mom called a clone of her. Dehype.

 

[ssjelf]

I like how you can't address the fact that Brook and the Homies have a unique interaction that functions independently of the gap of strength between Brook and Big Mom.

You realize that Sanji, Luffy, Zoro and the other mid-tier Strawhats, in all likelihood, DON'T have this interaction and couldn't do the same themselves? Big Mom has fought other Yonko and competed with ROGER, and it wasn't until Brook that it was injured.

I guess by your logic, Brook>Yonko and Roger.

Big mom specifically said those three were special and that he couldn't affect them. Just saiyan

 

[Punk Hazard]

Except in my first reply to that, I already explained being able to damage something does not mean you should be able to.

You can spin it whichever way you want to, "special power", a mid level SH damaged what Big Mom called a clone of her. Dehype.

What the **** kind of logic is this? "Just because your ability interacts with someone else on a logical basis that fits the themes and logistics if this universe doesn't mean it's okay."

It's only dehype if you approach it in a narrow-minded, one-dimensional way. Which is honestly just expected of you at this point.

Big mom specifically said those three were special and that he couldn't affect them. Just saiyan

Nope. She said he couldn't defeat them because they were special. Giving one of them a superficial boo-boo on the level of a ****ing paper cut is nowhere near defeating them.

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We see Promotheus, Zeus, and the hat all smiling and being dandy, and the "injury" needed a single band-aid. And this is what we're putting up a fuss about?

 

[Hexuze]

Not a big fan of the Brook/Big Mom stuff, I was hoping that spoiler was fake. Finally, Sanji is doing something.

 

[ssjelf]

What the **** kind of logic is this? "Just because your ability interacts with someone else on a logical basis that fits the themes and logistics if this universe doesn't mean it's okay."

It's only dehype if you approach it in a narrow-minded, one-dimensional way. Which is honestly just expected of you at this point.


Nope. She said he couldn't defeat them because they were special. Giving one of them a superficial boo-boo on the level of a ****ing paper cut is nowhere near defeating them.

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We see Promotheus, Zeus, and the hat all smiling and being dandy, and the "injury" needed a single band-aid. And this is what we're putting up a fuss about?

They are special. If he could affect them couldn't he have defeated them?

 

[chopstickchakra]

They are special. If he could affect them couldn't he have defeated them?

Not necessarily, just because you can affect something doesn't mean you can beat it if you're not stronger than it.

 

[Bogard]

he wasn´t completely free, baratie wasnt dealt with nor did he know that the strawhats were free. Similarily you could argue Luffy didnt understand Sanjis resovle neither if being against each others solution is ¨not understanding¨.

Completely missed this post, but oh well. Sanji literally said in this chapter that he knows the Strawhats could escape on his own. He was just playing the self victim once again. If everything he did so far was normal in your opinion(even after Reiju basically spoiled him he is free to do what he wants and has friends around), why is Sanji acting against it now then? Simply even his instincts while thinking of Luffy made him realize he was out of track the entire time

 

[Love Cook]

Completely missed this post, but oh well. Sanji literally said in this chapter that he knows the Strawhats could escape on his own. He was just playing the self victim once again. If everything he did so far was normal in your opinion(even after Reiju basically spoiled him he is free to do what he wants and has friends around), why is Sanji acting against it now then? Simply even his instincts while thinking of Luffy made him realize he was out of track the entire time

Sanji trampled on Luffy's dreams and cut the ties between him and the SH's, when Usopp did that in Water 7 he said that there was no excuse for that and that he couldn't just come back from that unless he apologized. I think Sanji was being harder on himself and that a 'I'm sorry' wasn't going to be enough.

But what point is being made here, Sanji DID change his mind after all. He was constantly thinking about it. It is not like he ever took this lightly and was happy about it. The fact that he cooked everybody's lunch by accident and carried it along with him all this time shows that he wasn't ready to let go. The lunch was his reminder to his crew, so when Bobbins was about to take away that last thing as well he snapped.

But that didn't happen in this chapter, that already happened over the course of the previous 10 chapters.

 

[Punk Hazard]

They are special. If he could affect them couldn't he have defeated them?

Lmaooooo

No, but seriously, what's your actual response?

Sanji trampled on Luffy's dreams and cut the ties between him and the SH's, when Usopp did that in Water 7 he said that there was no excuse for that and that he couldn't just come back from that unless he apologized. I think Sanji was being harder on himself and that a 'I'm sorry' wasn't going to be enough.

But what point is being made here, Sanji DID change his mind after all. He was constantly thinking about it. It is not like he ever took this lightly and was happy about it. The fact that he cooked everybody's lunch by accident and carried it along with him all this time shows that he wasn't ready to let go. The lunch was his reminder to his crew, so when Bobbins was about to take away that last thing as well he snapped.

But that didn't happen in this chapter, that already happened over the course of the previous 10 chapters.

Uhm sir, how dare you suggest that Oda develop the course of this arc and Sanji's reaction to it in a realistic way by having it be gradual? Don't you know that everything should have happened in two chapters and within four seconds of each other? I mean, that's how these things usually happen for people right? /s

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'd also like to point out to those saying Brook being able to hurt a Yonko high up isn't that big of a shock. Eventually Luffy will fight the Marines, he'll challenge Akainu which leaves 3 Admirals. If only the monster trio can contend with Admirals by that time then that leaves an Admiral unchecked, one of the other SH's will likely be able to challenge an Admiral by the time of that fight.

 

[ssjelf]

Lmaooooo

No, but seriously, what's your actual response?


Uhm sir, how dare you suggest that Oda develop the course of this arc and Sanji's reaction to it in a realistic way by having it be gradual? Don't you know that everything should have happened in two chapters and within four seconds of each other? I mean, that's how these things usually happen for people right? /s

That is my response. If brook had the ability to manipulate their souls like he did the chess soldiers, he would have beat Prometheus et al. He didn't therefore he can't.

Not necessarily, just because you can affect something doesn't mean you can beat it if you're not stronger than it.

The situation is a bit different here. He had the ability to manipulate the chess soldiers. If he could at all manipulate Prometheus, he would have won that fight because he wouldn't have had any enemies. (Unless big mom fought brook herself but so far she has let those three do her work for her and given the cut on prometheus' cheek, brook was obviously fighting them and not just big mom) It's kinda like if doffy could put strings on people and fight them while they had strings, how could he lose because he controls their actions. If they broke free of the manipulation like luffy did the strings, then the opponent could win, but not while being manipulated.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That is my response. If brook had the ability to manipulate their souls like he did the chess soldiers, he would have beat Prometheus et al. He didn't therefore he can't.



The situation is a bit different here. He had the ability to manipulate the chess soldiers. If he could at all manipulate Prometheus, he would have won that fight because he wouldn't have had any enemies. (Unless big mom fought brook herself but so far she has let those three do her work for her and given the cut on prometheus' cheek, brook was obviously fighting them and not just big mom) It's kinda like if doffy could put strings on people and fight them while they had strings, how could he lose because he controls their actions. If they broke free of the manipulation like luffy did the strings, then the opponent could win, but not while being manipulated.

Then the obvious solution is that he can't affect those three Homies like he can the standard Homie. That doesn't mean he can't affect it to any degree. It isn't "one shot or nothing."

 

[Skull Knight]

Didn't liked this chapter. Its like oda is trolling and unneccesarily stretching this arc by showing things which everyone knows(Pudding-BM conversation).
Sanji still ready to die was quite obvious because Zeff's life is still hanging on a thread.
I think one of the vinsmokes might have kidnapped Zeff and now he is also in Cake island in some prison.

 

[Tomato God]

This is actually super ****ing poetic since the Vinsmoke experiment was supposed to suppress his emotions for powers.

His mom only made him stronger.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Didn't liked this chapter. Its like oda is trolling and unneccesarily stretching this arc by showing things which everyone knows(Pudding-BM conversation).
Sanji still ready to die was quite obvious because Zeff's life is still hanging on a thread.
I think one of the vinsmokes might have kidnapped Zeff and now he is also in Cake island in some prison.

Zeff's life wouldn't really be on the line though.

The Vinsmoke's were the one's threatening him to make sure Sanji went through with the wedding but they were gonna be killed and Reiju told Sanji BM wasn't interested in killing Zeff. So if they die then Zeff lives. If BM fails to kill them then the wedding ends and they have no reason to threaten Sanji with Zeff so Zeff lives. If Sanji ran away it'd be too late to turn back for BM don't you think.

 

[Skull Knight]

Zeff's life wouldn't really be on the line though.

The Vinsmoke's were the one's threatening him to make sure Sanji went through with the wedding but they were gonna be killed and Reiju told Sanji BM wasn't interested in killing Zeff. So if they die then Zeff lives. If BM fails to kill them then the wedding ends and they have no reason to threaten Sanji with Zeff so Zeff lives. If Sanji ran away it'd be too late to turn back for BM don't you think.

Not really tho. We already saw BM's crew is keeping an eye on Vinsmokes and their activity.
If Sanji leaves now then there is a good chance Judge will be summoned by BM,he will be scolded and then he will most likely give order to assassinate Zeff.
And lets be honest if BM lets Sanji slip now then their is a good chance that one day Sanji will be back to challenge BM for the Vinsmoke territory(all those ships) and then their is a good chance some of the vinsmokes followers/sympathiser will revolt against BM and side with Sanji.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Not really tho. We already saw BM's crew is keeping an eye on Vinsmokes and their activity.
If Sanji leaves now then there is a good chance Judge will be summoned by BM,he will be scolded and then he will most likely give order to assassinate Zeff.
And lets be honest if BM lets Sanji slip now then their is a good chance that one day Sanji will be back to challenge BM for the Vinsmoke territory(all those ships) and then their is a good chance some of the vinsmokes followers/sympathiser will revolt against BM and side with Sanji.

Unlikely with what's played out so far. If Sanji left now they wouldn't know until the morning of, that'd only leave a few hours to organize everything with a new plan I doubt they'd waste time on Sanji at that point but they could it's not impossible. The part about Sanji coming back for the Germa Kingdom though doesn't really seem to go with Sanji's way of thinking about them, even if they would be a big asset to the SH's. If his family died I doubt he'd come back for vengeance and to take back what's his.

 

[Skull Knight]

Unlikely with what's played out so far. If Sanji left now they wouldn't know until the morning of, that'd only leave a few hours to organize everything with a new plan I doubt they'd waste time on Sanji at that point but they could it's not impossible. The part about Sanji coming back for the Germa Kingdom though doesn't really seem to go with Sanji's way of thinking about them, even if they would be a big asset to the SH's. If his family died I doubt he'd come back for vengeance and to take back what's his.

The plan wouldn't work. Sanji is in deep shit now. Vinsmokes are under constant surveilance and lets not forget that Luffy and Nami was in prison. If he left after hearing Pudding's conversation then there was a good chance that BM would have executed Luffy and Nami and if he tried to save them then BM's crew would have learnt that Sanji is not in his room and he is trying to escape Cake Island and then Zeff would have been most probably executed.
No matter how bad Sanji's childhood was they are still his family and one of them helped him escape from the hell he was in. I doubt he would let his sister sacrifice herself so that Sanji can fulfill his dream and if he leave then there is a good chance he will be back for revenge.

 

[LBeezy]

If the next chapter revolves mostly around Sanji and Luffy reuniting, then holy crap we need to prepare ourselves for all the feels.. for real.. lol