[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 851 Discussion and 852 Predictions

[Skull Knight]

They're serious. There's also no fandom as defensive as Zoro's, let's be real

Nice fanfic

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nice fanfic

Think for a second "Zoro isn't that cool, Zoro isn't the First Mate" and his *** slaves are gonna swarm you. No fandom is as intense with their worship of a character like Zoro fans.

 

[chopstickchakra]

What are you talking about the year of Sanji is only half way. I don't know why so many people think a year always ends in december ? The Whole cake island arc only started in June or July. So we still have a long way to go.

The fact that Oda grants everybody epic displays in this arc like Brook vs Big Mom, Luffy and Cracker, Chopper and Carrot vs Brulee and even Nami outplaying the homies shows that he isn't afraid to make the Sh's look good against a yonkou crew to a certain extent.

So if he is giving Sanji absolutely nothing to work with and keeps hitting him over and over again. That is a great way of showing the helplessness of the situation in another perspective. Sanji tried dealing with the situation his way and he was making all the sacrifices he had to make to keep all his friends alive.

Now at rock bottom he reached his snapping point and he will crash his own wedding. You need to have a little more faith in Oda, he will restore the balance.

If it annoys you that Sanji is feeling helpless or that it is frustrating that he isn't doing as much as he can, that means that Oda did his job right. Because that is what the reader is supposed to feel now when looking at Sanji. That is great development for his character. If you think the year of Sanji would've been better if it was 52 weeks of him kicking ass then I think you don't understand what a good story is.

As for your reply to Riker. If you would compare Zoro to Sanji you can't objectively say that Zoro is the more interesting character. He might be stronger and tougher and maybe he doesn't cry as much buy on the other hand he is very one dimensional and he has little to no background. His cornerstone is the cliche "I want to be the very best". And because of that combined with his promise to never lose again makes his fights and the road that lead up to them not very interesting because you know what will happen.

If getting annoyed at Sanji's actions and choices is what Oda wanted then why do you continually jump down people's throats when they express that annoyance?

And for the record to an earlier point, Sanji didn't receive the threat on Zeff's life at Zou like you kept saying. He did receive A threat from Vito but there's no indication let alone proof it was Zeff. In fact we have good reason to believe it wasn't Zeff that Vito threatened and that reason is this panel.

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We see the shock on Sanji's face when he hears Zeff's life in in danger, this should be clear that Vito hadn't mentioned Zeff on Zou. If Vito had mentioned Zeff specifically back at Zou Sani wouldn't react like that. More likely the threat on Zou was if you don't come with us we'll come back and destroy everyone like you guys keep saying would have happened had Sanji refused to leave.

Also since Capone was out and we don't know when BM got that intel we can't actually say one way or the other Capone and his crew even knew about Zeff. It's true BM's crew got the intel but we have no evidence that suggests it was used before we saw it used on WCI.

You just keep saying he received the threat on Zeff at Zou because it sounded plausible and helped your stance, then talk about me forgetting, making stuff up and being biased. I'm guilty of forgetting things absolutely but you're the more biased one in this. You act like because I'm disappointed with the choices Oda had Sanji make in this instance that I hate him entirely.

 

[Passerby]

They're serious. There's also no fandom as defensive as Zoro's, let's be real

So you've never met the Doflamingo fans?

 

[Punk Hazard]

So you've never met the Doflamingo fans?

Doflamingo fans are nowhere as bad. Zoro fanboys like the role reversal. When you say something remotely critical of Zoro, that's when they become the ones that force down others' throats. Epitome of die hard.

 

[Skull Knight]

Think for a second "Zoro isn't that cool, Zoro isn't the First Mate" and his *** slaves are gonna swarm you. No fandom is as intense with their worship of a character like Zoro fans.

Same things can be said for
1) Mihawk(his strongest attack pre ts was stopped by Jozu or he wasn't Yonko lvl pre ts)

2)Sanji(he had a choice at Zou or Sanji is taking L this arc)

3)WB(Not the strongest Yonko at MF Arc or he could have killed Akainu if he didn't fell in that hole/crack) etc and u will see lots of guys going berserk on each other :|

 

[Punk Hazard]

Same things can be said for
1) Mihawk(his strongest attack pre ts was stopped by Jozu or he wasn't Yonko lvl pre ts)

2)Sanji(he had a choice at Zou or Sanji is taking L this arc)

3)WB(Not the strongest Yonko at MF Arc or he could have killed Akainu if he didn't fell in that hole/crack) etc and u will see lots of guys going berserk on each other :|

Not even close. For every one person that says "Zoro isn't-" there's five people waiting to lie and say he is.

 

[Bogard]

Lmao as per usual the keyboard warrior is trashing the chapter discussion thread lol

Thanks Sherlock, would have never guessed an author would be unhappy about unhappy fans.




Maybe this will shift that Yonkou > Admiral notion spreading.

Usually when characters haven't fought the fandom hypes them more so than ones that have already been revealed, now that we're seeing Big Mom isn't even really matching that humongous Yonkou hype the fandom placed on them, I think things will settle down.

Agreed. Big Mom isn't doing anything good with the yonko vibe, but to be fair i think majority only talks about the average yonko. I doubt people really thought Big Mom was necessary superior to admirals just because she was a yonko. Unlike the rest, she has nothing to back that up other than the fact she is a yonko and her poor showings isn't helping to increase her vibe in that perspective

 

[Love Cook]

If getting annoyed at Sanji's actions and choices is what Oda wanted then why do you continually jump down people's throats when they express that annoyance?

And for the record to an earlier point, Sanji didn't receive the threat on Zeff's life at Zou like you kept saying. He did receive A threat from Vito but there's no indication let alone proof it was Zeff. In fact we have good reason to believe it wasn't Zeff that Vito threatened and that reason is this panel.

We see the shock on Sanji's face when he hears Zeff's life in in danger, this should be clear that Vito hadn't mentioned Zeff on Zou. If Vito had mentioned Zeff specifically back at Zou Sani wouldn't react like that. More likely the threat on Zou was if you don't come with us we'll come back and destroy everyone like you guys keep saying would have happened had Sanji refused to leave.

Also since Capone was out and we don't know when BM got that intel we can't actually say one way or the other Capone and his crew even knew about Zeff. It's true BM's crew got the intel but we have no evidence that suggests it was used before we saw it used on WCI.

You just keep saying he received the threat on Zeff at Zou because it sounded plausible and helped your stance, then talk about me forgetting, making stuff up and being biased. I'm guilty of forgetting things absolutely but you're the more biased one in this. You act like because I'm disappointed with the choices Oda had Sanji make in this instance that I hate him entirely.

You complete idiot. If I jump at someones throat it's not because they're annoyed with Sanji, I couldn't care less. Most of the times when I do that it's because they interpret the chapter and form their own truths and talk bullshit. I'm not in the opinion police, even you are entitled to one.

As for the Zeff scan, good job finding that. Pretty insulting to think that you assumed I wasn't aware of that. Now let me hit you with some quotes of mine of the past. If you actually bothered to read this was already settled a week ago but you just had to dig it up again.

Sanji did not receive the box on Zou he received the THREAT of receiving a box. Read you moron. You don't understand what you're talking about. You have forgotten so many events that it's impossible to have a decent discussion. You're either letting stuff out, or forgetting about it or are lying about it. And I don't know which one is worse. Either way I'm done talking to you after this post.

See how I'm talking about a threat. And even if I said Zeff somewhere. Does it really matter who's head is in the box ? Like I said here. Also a week ago.

My Zeff claim still stands. I used Zeff as example, but so what if the threat wasn't Zeff but what if it was Ivankov or Nami ? Point still stands. Sanji had to comply on Zou.

Now let your week old grudge rest. Your post and scan added nothing to what we discussed last week already. The threat was made on Zou and even if it wasn't Zeff but anyone else Sanji cared about he had no other options than to accept the wedding invitation. So your annoyance with his decision on Zou is ungrounded because his hands were tied already. If he kicked Capone's ass there and then it would've resulted in the assassination of someone he loved. Might have been Zeff might have been someone else.

Now drop it. go reread the arc if you don't understand it by now.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lmao as per usual the keyboard warrior is trashing the chapter discussion thread lol

And yet you can't tell me how I'm wrong

inb4 "I can, I just don't want to"

 

[chopstickchakra]

You complete idiot. If I jump at someones throat it's not because they're annoyed with Sanji, I couldn't care less. Most of the times when I do that it's because they interpret the chapter and form their own truths and talk bullshit. I'm not in the opinion police, even you are entitled to one.

As for the Zeff scan, good job finding that. Pretty insulting to think that you assumed I wasn't aware of that. Now let me hit you with some quotes of mine of the past. If you actually bothered to read this was already settled a week ago but you just had to dig it up again.



See how I'm talking about a threat. And even if I said Zeff somewhere. Does it really matter who's head is in the box ? Like I said here. Also a week ago.



Now let your week old grudge rest. Your post and scan added nothing to what we discussed last week already. The threat was made on Zou and even if it wasn't Zeff but anyone else Sanji cared about he had no other options than to accept the wedding invitation. So your annoyance with his decision on Zou is ungrounded because his hands were tied already. If he kicked Capone's ass there and then it would've resulted in the assassination of someone he loved. Might have been Zeff might have been someone else.

Now drop it. go reread the arc if you don't understand it by now.

You absolutely have jumped down everyone's throats since Zou because a few members got you in auto defense. You couldn't even stop your self from doing it in this reply. You're so touchy about this character and subject you just try to yell and insult until people agree with you or stop giving their opinion. As soon as Sanji gets mentioned you get your panties in an uproar.

Prime example: I made this post

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BM's crew wasn't an imminent threat though as it would have taken weeks for them to learn of it and then react to it and Zou is constantly moving.

Also if Jack couldn't destroy Zou or even the Mink nation, then short of BM coming herself her crew wouldn't have been as destructive as you're attributing to them. One Yonkou commander(who many claim is the strongest of his crew's commanders) and his group were unable to wipe out Zou. So BM would need to send more than that and let's not act like characters move with their full force from the start, she'd send a unit like the enraged army to investigate and handle it first but they'd be defeated then she'd send a commander but he'd be defeated as well(because it'd likely be Cracker since that's who she sent first in the example we have)

Plus they'd have a healthy full SH crew to help back them up and a weakened tired Luffy held well against the majority of BM's enraged army a healthy Luffy should have no problem with that division.

You replied with this, like a regular decent human being;

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Wrong, Jack DID destroy Zou and the entire Mink nation. Everyone was beaten and dying of the poison gas. If it wasn't for Chopper and Ceasar the first time and Momonosuke the second time Jack would've succeeded in doing so.

Then I reply and mention Sanji in the reply;

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If Sanji had fought off Capone they could have either waited on Zou with all of their support and challenged her then(she would need to come herself or send everything at once as we've seen a commander wouldn't be able to get the job done on his/her own while the SH's are there, and if she sent Cracker we all know how well that would go for him, p.s. not very good) or as someone else mentioned they could have left for Wano which is uder Kaidou's rule which means if she wanted to chase them there she'd either need to get permission from Kaidou or invade his territory both unlikely and Zou would be essentially lost to her without Pekoms.

And then you get mad; load of bull, hypocrite in all caps with an exclamation mark all typical internet intimidation techniques to try and make your stance seem more legit.

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What a load of bull.

The mink race was dead to rights after the first visit of Jack. If it doesn't mean anything that I said that they were lucky that the SH's were there. They better hope the SH's stick around because they're crucial in the defense of Zou.

So you're making a point of me saying that Zou was lucky to have the SH's but on the other hand you're saying. Jack was lucky for bringing the gas. HYPOCRITE ! Besides If you're out and about to conquer and destroy and you make a tactical decision to bring a certain weapon that is completely different than surviving because you were lucky someone dropped by at that precise point in time. Jack could've stayed just as easy and decapitate every single one before he left, he already won. Also Kaidou is a broker on the black market for weapons. Might as well declare the SMILE fruits as cheating, or what about Zoro's swords ? Or is Jack the only one that isn't allowed weapons ?

As for Zunisha, she had to be commanded by Momonosuke, another stroke of luck of him being there. Otherwise Jack would've had no trouble sinking Zou. See spoiler below.



As for the last point about Sanji, are you even replying to me or is that meant for someone else ? Because I'm lost here. I clearly said that it was Judge who placed the hit on Zeff's head. If for whatever reason Sanji doesn't show up for the wedding his head would come off. Location and defense of Zou don't matter a bit.

Big Mom is known for her intel of everything that is going on in the world. If Big Mom wants to get to Zou she gets to Zou. She has a collection of every species in the world. So she can probably fish another mink out of one of her books. The fact that you say that they could stand their ground on Zou with reinforcement or flee to Kaidou territory is insane. Both routes are suicide.

Funny how once you realized Zeff wasn't ever used on Zou you started in with that it didn't matter if it was Zeff yet you were so bold in your claim it was Zeff Vito threatened him with on Zou.

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Sanji receiving the Zeff threat on Whole Cake Island ? Wrong again, he already got it on Zou. That was when his expression changed from serious to concerned when the tongue guy whispered it in his ear. Pekoms explains it to the rest of the crew here:

but go ahead and keep saying it's not what you meant. See I may get things wrong but I'll acknowledge it, you on the other hand just try to act like that's not what you said or meant.

So the original point about Zeff still stands, had Sanji not went to WCI then the threat on Zeff's life couldn't have been used against him and he wouldn't be afraid to help fight back. Them having the ability to kill Zeff does nothing for them if they can't hold it over Sanji and force him to comply. What good would simply killing Zeff do? Sanji wouldn't find out for years down the road or until the BM pirates meet up with the SH's again and tell him then he'd be super pissed and fight even harder. Zeff only became an effective tool against Sanji because he complied and went to WCI. You can keep trying to deny that if you'd like but no amount of words will make it less true.

It's easy to make yourself look good when you only post partials of the quotes huh?

 

[Punk Hazard]

You absolutely have jumped down everyone's throats since Zou because a few members got you in auto defense. You couldn't even stop your self from doing it in this reply. You're so touchy about this character and subject you just try to yell and insult until people agree with you or stop giving their opinion. As soon as Sanji gets mentioned you get your panties in an uproar.

Prime example: I made this post
You replied with this, like a regular decent human being;

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Then I reply and mention Sanji in the reply;
And then you get mad; load of bull, hypocrite in all caps with an exclamation mark all typical internet intimidation techniques to try and make your stance seem more legit.


Funny how once you realized Zeff wasn't ever used on Zou you started in with that it didn't matter if it was Zeff yet you were so bold in your claim it was Zeff Vito threatened him with on Zou.
but go ahead and keep saying it's not what you meant. See I may get things wrong but I'll acknowledge it, you on the other hand just try to act like that's not what you said or meant.

So the original point about Zeff still stands, had Sanji not went to WCI then the threat on Zeff's life couldn't have been used against him and he wouldn't be afraid to help fight back. Them having the ability to kill Zeff does nothing for them if they can't hold it over Sanji and force him to comply. What good would simply killing Zeff do? Sanji wouldn't find out for years down the road or until the BM pirates meet up with the SH's again and tell him then he'd be super pissed and fight even harder. Zeff only became an effective tool against Sanji because he complied and went to WCI. You can keep trying to deny that if you'd like but no amount of words will make it less true.

It's easy to make yourself look good when you only post partials of the quotes huh?

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To be fair, Love Cook talks like this regardless of the topic. This isn't a Sanji specific thing, you can find any debate where he really got into it where he swore or belittled others. That doesn't always mean he's mad, some people just talk this way. This is a pretty stupid thing to be arguing this much about in a chapter discussion thread tbvh, what does making a point about his vernacular and tone actually prove about the chapter discussion? Like, if you can prove he is being defensive and particular irate in a convo towards Sanji, does that actually make you any more right or him any more wrong? C'mon man, what are you two actually doing right now?

 

[chopstickchakra]

To be fair, Love Cook talks like this regardless of the topic. This isn't a Sanji specific thing, you can find any debate where he really got into it where he swore or belittled others. That doesn't always mean he's mad, some people just talk this way. This is a pretty stupid thing to be arguing this much about in a chapter discussion thread tbvh, what does making a point about his vernacular and tone actually prove about the chapter discussion? Like, if you can prove he is being defensive and particular irate in a convo towards Sanji, does that actually make you any more right or him any more wrong? C'mon man, what are you two actually doing right now?

Idk about him but I'm trying to get on him about trying to yell down a thread unil people get so bored of it they'd rather not post.

 

[arv993]

Lmao as per usual the keyboard warrior is trashing the chapter discussion thread lol
Agreed. Big Mom isn't doing anything good with the yonko vibe, but to be fair i think majority only talks about the average yonko. I doubt people really thought Big Mom was necessary superior to admirals just because she was a yonko. Unlike the rest, she has nothing to back that up other than the fact she is a yonko and her poor showings isn't helping to increase her vibe in that perspective

How is she terrible. Just cuz she didn't oneshot brook. Its just a similar situation to pre Ts luffy against admirals where the superior opponent is taunting them and not going for the kill. She's no kaido but her hype is equivalent to that of an admiral at the very least there's been more than one occasion where they keep mentioning that her power is monstrous. Her ability is hax and she can control weather and created storms.

 

[Punk Hazard]

People really saying Big Mom's hype is going down for using Zeus and Prometheus against Brook, but didn't WB bust out Quakes ASAP against fodder Marines? Was Akainu not using magma to take out fodder pirates and to execute Coby? Was Aokiji not using the Hie Hie no Mi immediately when engaging the Strawhats at one of their weakest points? Didn't Doflamingo use Parasite and Conqueror's Haki and his strings on weaklings?

Just because Big Mom is using her main, hyped weapons/abilities doesn't mean she's using them to the fullest extent. This is a really dumb way to look at it and then draw the conclusion that Big Mom's hype is dying.

 

[Love Cook]

You absolutely have jumped down everyone's throats since Zou because a few members got you in auto defense. You couldn't even stop your self from doing it in this reply. You're so touchy about this character and subject you just try to yell and insult until people agree with you or stop giving their opinion. As soon as Sanji gets mentioned you get your panties in an uproar.

Prime example: I made this post
You replied with this, like a regular decent human being;

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Then I reply and mention Sanji in the reply;
And then you get mad; load of bull, hypocrite in all caps with an exclamation mark all typical internet intimidation techniques to try and make your stance seem more legit.


Funny how once you realized Zeff wasn't ever used on Zou you started in with that it didn't matter if it was Zeff yet you were so bold in your claim it was Zeff Vito threatened him with on Zou.
but go ahead and keep saying it's not what you meant. See I may get things wrong but I'll acknowledge it, you on the other hand just try to act like that's not what you said or meant.

So the original point about Zeff still stands, had Sanji not went to WCI then the threat on Zeff's life couldn't have been used against him and he wouldn't be afraid to help fight back. Them having the ability to kill Zeff does nothing for them if they can't hold it over Sanji and force him to comply. What good would simply killing Zeff do? Sanji wouldn't find out for years down the road or until the BM pirates meet up with the SH's again and tell him then he'd be super pissed and fight even harder. Zeff only became an effective tool against Sanji because he complied and went to WCI. You can keep trying to deny that if you'd like but no amount of words will make it less true.

It's easy to make yourself look good when you only post partials of the quotes huh?

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I don't know why you're so stuck up with the whole Zeff thing because it absolutely doesn't matter whose head is in the box. You've asked this question more often than Brad Pitt in the end of Se7en by now.

I even said in my own post above here :

See how I'm talking about a threat. And even if I said Zeff somewhere. Does it really matter who's head is in the box ? Like I said here. Also a week ago.

OOPS didn't read properly again. What a surprise.

You can go all Colombo on my ass and think there is some kind of conspiracy going on, and think that I posted partial quotes to make myself look good.

But the truth is that I haven't changed a thing and it is still the same as it was last week. So it's not making me look good. It's just making you look bad. And every post you make your digging your own hole deeper and deeper and deeper.

When does it penetrate in your incredibly dense thick monkey skull that IT DOESN'T MATTER WHOSE HEAD IS IN THE BOX. And even if I said Zeff threat as an example because that is what it turned out to be. It might as well have been a threat against someone from Kamabakka kingdom, the dishwasher in the Baratie, Vivi or Chopper. Sanji was already on the road of no return, because every other option except for compliance meant DEATH to someone.

Idk about him but I'm trying to get on him about trying to yell down a thread unil people get so bored of it they'd rather not post.

No you talking anus. YOU came back with a week old grudge and make it off-topic in another chapter discussion thread. I'm tired if your shit. I was very friendly in my posts in this thread. If you want another round of whose head is in the box. You can PM me I don't want to see it here anymore. I rather have it somewhere where I can just delete or block your bullshit. Saves me the trouble of testing out when monkeys get bored of posting.

Discuss the current chapter here or fuck off

 

[chopstickchakra]

I don't know why you're so stuck up with the whole Zeff thing because it absolutely doesn't matter whose head is in the box. You've asked this question more often than Brad Pitt in the end of Se7en by now.

I even said in my own post above here :



OOPS didn't read properly again. What a surprise.

You can go all Colombo on my ass and think there is some kind of conspiracy going on, and think that I posted partial quotes to make myself look good.

But the truth is that I haven't changed a thing and it is still the same as it was last week. So it's not making me look good. It's just making you look bad. And every post you make your digging your own hole deeper and deeper and deeper.

When does it penetrate in your incredibly dense thick monkey skull that IT DOESN'T MATTER WHOSE HEAD IS IN THE BOX. And even if I said Zeff threat as an example because that is what it turned out to be. It might as well have been a threat against someone from Kamabakka kingdom, the dishwasher in the Baratie, Vivi or Chopper. Sanji was already on the road of no return, because every other option except for compliance meant DEATH to someone.



No you talking anus. YOU came back with a week old grudge and make it off-topic in another chapter discussion thread. I'm tired if your shit. I was very friendly in my posts in this thread. If you want another round of whose head is in the box. You can PM me I don't want to see it here anymore. I rather have it somewhere where I can just delete or block your bullshit. Saves me the trouble of testing out when monkeys get bored of posting.

Discuss the current chapter here or fuck off

My, my, you're being more emotional than Sanji these last few chapters, that's quite a feat.

I keep bringing up Zeff because it's an example of you going back on your words and saying you didn't mean what you said when you lose your shit like a petulant child and cry about others doing it. You keep making the mistake of thinking this is about the manga and who threatened who with what, it's about your pathetic fragile ego. You're the one incapable of moving past a post you dislike, you're the one who needs to rely on a bunch of chest puffing. Go home peacock.

See no petty douchebag who acts like you are should be allowed to think he won something or proved something just because he was being the biggest, loudest ******* in the room and nobody felt like hearing him say the same lines like a looping record. Especially when he's guilty of the same faults he insults and harps on others about and is being too small to admit his mistakes.

So me and my monkey head are gonna go get a banana and re-boost our potassium in preparation of your incoming tantrum.

 

[chopstickchakra]

People really saying Big Mom's hype is going down for using Zeus and Prometheus against Brook, but didn't WB bust out Quakes ASAP against fodder Marines? Was Akainu not using magma to take out fodder pirates and to execute Coby? Was Aokiji not using the Hie Hie no Mi immediately when engaging the Strawhats at one of their weakest points? Didn't Doflamingo use Parasite and Conqueror's Haki and his strings on weaklings?

Just because Big Mom is using her main, hyped weapons/abilities doesn't mean she's using them to the fullest extent. This is a really dumb way to look at it and then draw the conclusion that Big Mom's hype is dying.

Was she wielding them in her hands do you think or was that just the angle?

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kinda looks like she's holding one in each hand.

 

[Love Cook]

My, my, you're being more emotional than Sanji these last few chapters, that's quite a feat.

I keep bringing up Zeff because it's an example of you going back on your words and saying you didn't mean what you said when you lose your shit like a petulant child and cry about others doing it. You keep making the mistake of thinking this is about the manga and who threatened who with what, it's about your pathetic fragile ego. You're the one incapable of moving past a post you dislike, you're the one who needs to rely on a bunch of chest puffing. Go home peacock.

See no petty douchebag who acts like you are should be allowed to think he won something or proved something just because he was being the biggest, loudest ******* in the room and nobody felt like hearing him say the same lines like a looping record. Especially when he's guilty of the same faults he insults and harps on others about and is being too small to admit his mistakes.

So me and my monkey head are gonna go get a banana and re-boost our potassium in preparation of your incoming tantrum.

No tantrum here buddy. I proved you wrong last week on this topic. And did it twice again today with old quotes. Good job. You really made your point.

If you're having such a bad time talking to me, how about you stop quoting me.

About me not admitting my mistakes, this will be my third time now saying, even if I said Zeff, it might as well be anyone else. I used the Zeff example because that one was being confirmed by Judge later on.

So I'm admitting my mistakes without any problems, you're not even recognizing making mistakes, which is far worse.

Also it is the oldest trick in the book when you've lost an argument to discredit the other person. It's all just distraction from the earlier points you've made that never held up. Like the enraged army having trouble with Luffy or Sanji having a choice on Zou.

So how about it, will you be making your mea culpa next ? Probably not. Let's see who really has the biggest ego in the room.

 

[Jokey]

No that was too funny to ignore (and you clearly wanted to point out details for w.e reason so don't act all cool now) I'm already done with this topic.

You really made me laugh. Imagine your "family" forcing you to marry a girl in real life that says she loves you while ****ing other men around. Oh, and your family hates you and just wants to get rid of you while your hands are bound to an invisible chain that restrains you from beating your meat. Tbh I can bet on many things that at least one tear drop would fall down your retarded ass cheek.

Making fun out of fictional cartoon characters must be an aweful fetish.