[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 851 Discussion and 852 Predictions

[Punk Hazard]

A lot of words are gonna be eaten by the end of this arc. Good thing they're already salted.

 

[Love Cook]

1. He did have a choice and it would have caused some risks but that's what most choices for a pirate on a crew aiming for PK involve, risk. Just because you don't accept that there was a choice doesn't null it's existence. His crew could have helped try and save whoever was threatened on Zou and they would have had a better chance at that than the ordeal they have to go throuh to get Sanji back.

2. As I've said before, The Enraged army core had a hard time with an exhausted and beaten Luffy while the big wigs teamed up to subdue him. This is in no way indicative that the Enraged Army is enough of a force to handle a full charged Luffy and co.

3. A fully prepared Jack was able to destroy the land on Zunisha and do significant damage to Zunisha's leg. When it was unresponsive. That's like saying "Man, Jack kicked that walls ass, he used all his force and knocked it 80% of the way down and it just sat there and didn't do shit."

I'm not putting words in your mouth or what you might have said, ,you said flat out "Receiving the Zeff threat on WCI? Wrong. He received it on Zou"

If you were owning up to it you'd say "I was wrong about the Zeff threat" and not need to add in all the extra saving face bs about how it not being Zeff isn't the point to what you were saying. That's not owning up that's deflecting the fact you were wrong too.

If you wanna conitnue answer these;

Did Sanji really think by going to Zou to spare whoever was threatened on Zou that he wasn't going to be putting his crew in direct risk when they came for him just like he saw and participated in them doing for Robin?

Being realistic, how well do you think the Enraged Army could fare against the SH's, Law, Minks on Zou when they had a not easy time with a worn out Luffy?

How did that Jack/Zunisha shit turn out the second Zunisha was unrestricted? 1 second KO. You act as if Jack doing damage to a non responsive Zunisha means anything in comparison to a Zunisha that would be able to defend itself on Momo's orders(btw Momo doesn't have t command Zunisha just give her the order to defend herself)

1) I think Sanji really believed and was super naive that he was going to resolve the situation before Luffy had the chance to reach him. I don't think he imagined being so many fail saves in place for him to stay put and that he didn't think Luffy would find his way to WCI so easily with the help of Pekoms and Pudding.

Again, I was talking about the Zeff threat because it was already fleshed out at that point in time. Also you said that he could try together with his allies to prevent any casualties. But that is impossible when you don't know who the target is. Also the strawhats don't have the same amount of ressources that Big Mom has. It is easier to kill some one than it is to prevent someone from killing some one when you don't know time, place or target.

2) I don't think the enraged army is that big of a deal because you still have the sweet commanders who seem to be the cannons of the crew. But nevertheless they were toying with Luffy. Luffy only took out some nameless footsoldiers. I think they're a big step up compared to the Doflamingo family.

3) I'm saying that the minks were lucky for Chopper and Ceasar, the inventor of the gas for crying out loud, to be there to clean up the aftermath. Because otherwise everyone was dead the first time. And the minks were lucky a second time to have Momo there because otherwise Zunisha would've been on the bottom of the ocean and all the minks would've been dead. Jack was only beaten because he lost footing not because he was overpowered or knocked out. Like I said before he has a way to make it up on the elephant, He only needs to stay clear of the trunk. You also don't know if Momo's powers work like that or if he needs to be present. That is speculation. Also Momo never gave those orders and went straight to Wano.

End of the day it is a furious Jack on the bottom of the ocean waiting to be fished up. And guess where he will seek his revenge next, I'm glad you think the minks have their defense in order. Because I'm not so optimistic.

 

[chopstickchakra]

1) I think Sanji really believed and was super naive that he was going to resolve the situation before Luffy had the chance to reach him. I don't think he imagined being so many fail saves in place for him to stay put and that he didn't think Luffy would find his way to WCI so easily with the help of Pekoms and Pudding.

Again, I was talking about the Zeff threat because it was already fleshed out at that point in time. Also you said that he could try together with his allies to prevent any casualties. But that is impossible when you don't know who the target is. Also the strawhats don't have the same amount of ressources that Big Mom has. It is easier to kill some one than it is to prevent someone from killing some one when you don't know time, place or target.

Of course it's easier to kill someone than protect them in this situation but that's not what I was getting at what I was getting at was it's easier to protect that one person while you have your whole crew to back you up than it is to protect that person while your crew is risking their lives to save and bring you back. To the point of they wouldn't know who to save, uh yeah they would though because someone was threatened unless Vito gave a generic "someone you love will die" threat which is possible but hasn't been your stance leading up to this post.

2) I don't think the enraged army is that big of a deal because you still have the sweet commanders who seem to be the cannons of the crew. But nevertheless they were toying with Luffy. Luffy only took out some nameless footsoldiers. I think they're a big step up compared to the Doflamingo family.

But the Luffy they were "toying" with was a Luffy who was at less than half his norm. so just because they toyed with Luffy in that condition isn't the same as when people like Kizaru or Doffy were toying with him. As for the Family claim, I don't know about all that now, they're probably around the same level maybe slightly above. We'll have to see if they get more involvement and if any of the names in the ER fight any of the SH's like the family did. They're definitely a high force within her organization but I don't see any reason yet to assume they'd fair better against the SH's then the Donquioxte Family.

3) I'm saying that the minks were lucky for Chopper and Ceasar, the inventor of the gas for crying out loud, to be there to clean up the aftermath. Because otherwise everyone was dead the first time. And the minks were lucky a second time to have Momo there because otherwise Zunisha would've been on the bottom of the ocean and all the minks would've been dead. Jack was only beaten because he lost footing not because he was overpowered or knocked out. Like I said before he has a way to make it up on the elephant, He only needs to stay clear of the trunk. You also don't know if Momo's powers work like that or if he needs to be present. That is speculation. Also Momo never gave those orders and went straight to Wano.

End of the day it is a furious Jack on the bottom of the ocean waiting to be fished up. And guess where he will seek his revenge next, I'm glad you think the minks have their defense in order. Because I'm not so optimistic.

I'm not saying the minks weren't lucky to survive the first time. I'm saying those reasons they survived the first time are why they would have had a better chance standing against BM if Sanji had stood firm and not left Zou.

Momo has to be present yeah he can't make a command and leave(I don't think) I meant he can give a general order and not have to give specific commands like Zunisha turn 3/4 turn right, Zunisha attack left, Zunisha walk etc... He can say Zunisha you're allowed to fight and it can go from there until the threat is handled. Also Momo stayed on Zou to enhance his ability to speak with Zunisha so by the time a BM crew got there he'd have more control over Zunisha and Zunisha would have healed up a good bit with Chopper and Law to help.

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Also pretty sure it's safe to say Jack lost consciousness at one point in that attack as he was thrown so far away you couldn't even see Zuinisha anymore but that's neither here nor there, Jack had a way up Zunisha yea, but again that was an unresponsive Zunisha, you think once they know Jack's coming they won't have Zunisha start stomping and making tusnami like waves or something or when Jack's trying to climb it can shake and spin and use it's legs this time. Everything Jack did that you keep trying to glorify was against a defenseless thing, they mean almost nothing when compared to how he fared against the same object once it gained autonomy(of sorts)

 

[loj]

If Jinbei doesn't join SH's then he will most likely die.

 

[Passerby]

If Jinbei doesn't join SH's then he will most likely die.

He must lost some of his life span via that Roulette.

 

[loj]

He must lost some of his life span via that Roulette.

Most likely yeah

 

[chopstickchakra]

He must lost some of his life span via that Roulette.

He could still have lost a leg we never did get to see his feet this week. Plus isn't about time we got a second pirate with a peg leg?

 

[Bogard]

He could still have lost a leg we never did get to see his feet this week. Plus isn't about time we got a second pirate with a peg leg?

Actually we saw his right leg. We didn't see his left well though but i doubt it. The way Oda portrayed the scene it's as if the miss was on something else that will be revealed later

 

[cryhwks]

He would break the M3 order since he is>Sanji atm

Not after this arc when Sanji gets the giant power up he's going to get. Sanji will get a power up. It's gonna turn out him being a "Failure" as a Vinesmoke will be wrong and he'll end up being the strongest.

 

[vasu 32]

And Oda continues to bully Sanji's character.....smfh. At this point I think he hates the guy. Made him look like a *****. I can't even focus on the chapters because of this garbage.

Your sig's quote that you attributed to Kishimoto, it's from Dark Knight.

 

[ToshiZO]

Your sig's quote that you attributed to Kishimoto, it's from Dark Knight.

Not quite.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Actually we saw his right leg. We didn't see his left well though but i doubt it. The way Oda portrayed the scene it's as if the miss was on something else that will be revealed later

It could be but I just really wanna see a peg leg pirate lately lol. I like how his left foot is covered up both times though, by his head on the top left and by a !!!? bubble on the top right.

 

[The Sach]

Is it only me who is loving this arc?
There is something amazing about the way Oda is developing this entire arc. I am looking forward to how powerful Jinbei is after losing a limb or something.
Sanji is broke as **** currently and I feel pity for him, but I really liked 'the surprise', didn't see that one coming honestly.
Luffy and crew can't take down big mom currently(I will be really disappointed if Big Mom gets defeated in the current arc or something), so there is going to be 'narrow escape'. What I am looking forward to most is Germa 66 vs Big Mom pirates. Shit is getting real and it will be fun to watch how the things unfold from here onwards.
I am also curious about Brook's 'escape plan'.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Is it only me who is loving this arc?
There is something amazing about the way Oda is developing this entire arc. I am looking forward to how powerful Jinbei is after losing a limb or something.
Sanji is broke as **** currently and I feel pity for him, but I really liked 'the surprise', didn't see that one coming honestly.
Luffy and crew can't take down big mom currently(I will be really disappointed if Big Mom gets defeated in the current arc or something), so there is going to be 'narrow escape'. What I am looking forward to most is Germa 66 vs Big Mom pirates. Shit is getting real and it will be fun to watch how the things unfold from here onwards.
I am also curious about Brook's 'escape plan'.

You're not the only one, this arc is fantastic.

 

[Wizard_Impressive]

And Oda continues to bully Sanji's character.....smfh. At this point I think he hates the guy. Made him look like a *****. I can't even focus on the chapters because of this garbage.

Just wait dude sanji is gonna come out of this arc a boss maybe even a zoro level boss

 

[loj]

Actually we saw his right leg. We didn't see his left well though but i doubt it. The way Oda portrayed the scene it's as if the miss was on something else that will be revealed later

Also I'm sure Luffy and Nami would have noticed if something happened to his leg? Could still happen though

 

[chopstickchakra]

Also I'm sure Luffy and Nami would have noticed if something happened to his leg? Could still happen though

They had shocked looks but that could be argued it's just from seeing him.

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The fact that the !!!? bubble is blocking us from seeing his left foot makes me think it's supposed to be a hint but maybe not. They could have put that bubble anywhere on the page.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Lmao Imagine fighting in real life over such mediocre manga like one piece, lol can't relate tbh

One Piece is mediocre?

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[loj]

They had shocked looks but that could be argued it's just from seeing him.

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The fact that the !!!? bubble is blocking us from seeing his left foot makes me think it's supposed to be a hint but maybe not. They could have put that bubble anywhere on the page.

It still could be happening as I said

 

[LBeezy]

Is it only me who is loving this arc?
There is something amazing about the way Oda is developing this entire arc. I am looking forward to how powerful Jinbei is after losing a limb or something.
Sanji is broke as **** currently and I feel pity for him, but I really liked 'the surprise', didn't see that one coming honestly.
Luffy and crew can't take down big mom currently(I will be really disappointed if Big Mom gets defeated in the current arc or something), so there is going to be 'narrow escape'. What I am looking forward to most is Germa 66 vs Big Mom pirates. Shit is getting real and it will be fun to watch how the things unfold from here onwards.
I am also curious about Brook's 'escape plan'.

I'm with you and Riker.. this arc is amazing!

But I do have a feeling, however, that Luffy is going to kick Big Mom's a$$ this arc..