[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 850 Discussion and 851 Predictions

[ToshiZO]

Because she accepted his deal to not kill his friends? Again, you're trying to make someone agreeing to let your friends go when they don't have to seem like something you should react negatively too, and that's dumb.l.


When has Sanji ever witnessed Big Mom expressing such a trait? Hell, we, the audience, didn't know Big Mom was conniving until this very chapter, so how would Sanji know to expect that?


The bolded highlights exactly why everything you're saying is nonsense. You admit he has no options, then criticize him for folding? The **** kinda logic is this?


Better=/=good. It's better to be stranded in a desert close to a town than it is to be stranded in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, but that doesn't mean either option is "good." Same applies to the choices that Sanji have. It's asinine to criticize Sanji for making bad choices when the alternatives were worse. Unless you can bring up a better alternative that was available to choose, you might as well be criticizing someone because they chose to eat sand instead of eating glass.

You can be out of options and still not manage to look like a tool. Know the difference. This is about his character portrayal, and you still haven't understood that much, keep typing to yourself.

 

[Jokey]

5/5. Couldn't stop smiling while reading this chapter because I knew THAT PUDDING WAS A *****.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You can be out of options and still not manage to look like a tool. Know the difference. This is about his character portrayal, and you still haven't understood that much, keep typing to yourself.

Yeah, again, what you're saying about his "portrayal" is stupid. He's been kidnapped, his mentor/father figure's life was threatened, and his crew threw themselves smack dab in danger. The past 100 chapters have been nothing but shitty situation after shitty situation for Sanji, and you're trying to invalidate him being happy at the one good thing that came out of it(from his perspective). Not only was it a good thing, but the guarantee of his crew's survival in a situation where it's easy to die.

You have a problem with Sanji being happy about one thing when he should be distraught. Except, he was distraught about everything else. Nothing you say makes sense and is complaining for the sake of complaining.

 

[Love Cook]

You can be out of options and still not manage to look like a tool. Know the difference. This is about his character portrayal, and you still haven't understood that much, keep typing to yourself.

Words of a man who can't win on arguments.

How the irony must sting that it is you who talks about having no options left yet you don't have to present yourself as a tool.

What you don't seem to understand is that Oda deliberately portrayed Sanji this way for a reason. You're talking about Sanji like he is a real person, and you despise his actions for what he did in chapter X while you don't know what will happen in chapter Y. But Oda does and he made him look this way.

So on the short term you can bitch and moan whatever you want about Sanji, but in the long run he will be fantastic.

I already said in my previous post that BM has no attachment wit Sanji or wit that wedding thing. Why will she send armies behind him???
Just because he kicked Capone's a** doesn't mean she will hunt him forever. She eats her kids because she is hungry. She doesn't care about her own husband and why will she care about Lola's sisters husband???
She would most likely hunt Judge & other Vinsmokes as they knows what they do wit cloning and stuff.

I wish that Capt. Hindsight was there at that point in time to tell Sanji that when Capone threatened everyone on Zou.

 

[ToshiZO]

Words of a man who can't win on arguments.

How the irony must sting that it is you who talks about having no options left yet you don't have to present yourself as a tool.

What you don't seem to understand is that Oda deliberately portrayed Sanji this way for a reason. You're talking about Sanji like he is a real person, and you despise his actions for what he did in chapter X while you don't know what will happen in chapter Y. But Oda does and he made him look this way.

Stop quoting me. There are no arguments here, gtfo with that your usual "you lose" nonsense. I stated what I needed to state, that's it.

My point has always been Oda is deliberitely portraying Sanji petty. I've said this from day 1 this has nothing to do with Sanji's options, it's about character portrayal, the man who is putting ink to the paper, Oda drawing Sanji the way he drew him in all these instances.

So on the short term you can bitch and moan whatever you want about Sanji, but in the long run he will be fantastic.

No shit Captain obvious, like Oda is going to just kill Sanji off here, and never show him in a positive light ever again.

 

[Skull Knight]

I wish that Capt. Hindsight was there at that point in time to tell Sanji that when Capone threatened everyone on Zou.

I dont understand what u are trying to say here. Capone ran away after seeing Neko standing in front of him. If Sanji rejected his offer of going back do u think Capone would have destroyed Zou???
Accept it his plan back fired. Him trying to save Luffy & Co. By sacrificing himself made the matter worse. Half of the crew is about to be executed any moment at Cake island and he still can do nothing because he wants to protect Zeff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I dont understand what u are trying to say here. Capone ran away after seeing Neko standing in front of him. If Sanji rejected his offer of going back do u think Capone would have destroyed Zou???
Accept it his plan back fired. Him trying to save Luffy & Co. By sacrificing himself made the matter worse. Half of the crew is about to be executed any moment at Cake island and he still can do nothing because he wants to protect Zeff.

Capone? No. Big Mom's crew more likely would have came to Zou to find the SHs and destroy it in the process.

 

[loj]

To be honest despite Sanji talking shit about Vinsmokes if something do happen and Sanji had a chance to help them,I'm 100% sure he'd help his family despite him having one of the worst childhoods ever.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Capone? No. Big Mom's crew more likely would have came to Zou to find the SHs and destroy it in the process.

BM's crew wasn't an imminent threat though as it would have taken weeks for them to learn of it and then react to it and Zou is constantly moving.

Also if Jack couldn't destroy Zou or even the Mink nation, then short of BM coming herself her crew wouldn't have been as destructive as you're attributing to them. One Yonkou commander(who many claim is the strongest of his crew's commanders) and his group were unable to wipe out Zou. So BM would need to send more than that and let's not act like characters move with their full force from the start, she'd send a unit like the enraged army to investigate and handle it first but they'd be defeated then she'd send a commander but he'd be defeated as well(because it'd likely be Cracker since that's who she sent first in the example we have)

Plus they'd have a healthy full SH crew to help back them up and a weakened tired Luffy held well against the majority of BM's enraged army a healthy Luffy should have no problem with that division.

The only way Sanji staying on Zou would pose more of a threat to them all is if they stayed on Zou until BM herself came.

 

[Skull Knight]

Capone? No. Big Mom's crew more likely would have came to Zou to find the SHs and destroy it in the process.

why will BM's full crew would come to Zou to find SHs???
At most one sweet commander would be sent to Zou and he/she can be easily stopped by Dukes considering the fact that they fought well against Jack. And I doubt even this will happen since BM send zero armies behind Kidd when he destroyed BM ship or she sent nobody so far to Fishmen Island to destroy it.
Again BM has no business wit Sanji. She only wants Vinsmoke technology which she would have got if she captured Judge.
She wouldn't have wasted her resource on finding a guy who entered another Yonkos territory, since SH next stop is Wano.

 

[chopstickchakra]

why will BM's full crew would come to Zou to find SHs???
At most one sweet commander would be sent to Zou and he/she can be easily stopped by Dukes considering the fact that they fought well against Jack. And I doubt even this will happen since BM send zero armies behind Kidd when he destroyed BM ship or she sent nobody so far to Fishmen Island to destroy it.
Again BM has no business wit Sanji. She only wants Vinsmoke technology which she would have got if she captured Judge.
She wouldn't have wasted her resource on finding a guy who entered another Yonkos territory, since SH next stop is Wano.

She didn't even send anyone to hunt down Apoo as far as we know after he killed one of her commanders.

 

[Skull Knight]

She didn't even send anyone to hunt down Apoo as far as we know after he killed one of her commanders.

Apoo I think u mean Urogue. Well that's BM for u who doesn't give a shit about what happens to her crew because she can make more kids wit some ugly looking guy

 

[Wizard_Impressive]

biggest ***** ever she really needs to die a horrible death

 

[LBeezy]

Lola is elsewhere, plus I don't think that purin is one of the good guys. I think she's playing Sanji and Co.

Purin? Putting on an act? That's an assumption I thought about which I hope it won't be true.

I'm actually leaning heavily towards Pudding being an enemy by the end of this arc.

Just wait until that 3rd eye comes out!

Yeah remember when she was talking to Luffy and Co about she spoke to Sanji about the wedding and stuff? Sanji was with his family and hasn't even been to the Island yet so how did she meet him? Plus she suddenly forgets to tell Sanji about going to the coast and that Luffy is on the Island? She up to something that's what I think.

I really, really hope its not the case. I feel like it'd be heartbreaking for Sanji if she turned out to be a bich. Facts are facts though, and Oda seems to be going that way.

I know right?! Oda is known for surprising us towards the end of arcs.. and this is one of those things I'm not too sure about.

It's like she's hiding her third eye, along with hiding her true evil intentions!

Momma we made it!!

XD

That third eye done came out and so did the b¡tch.. lol



Next year starts off with the Big Mom and Brook situation I hope.

 

[Love Cook]

I dont understand what u are trying to say here. Capone ran away after seeing Neko standing in front of him. If Sanji rejected his offer of going back do u think Capone would have destroyed Zou???
Accept it his plan back fired. Him trying to save Luffy & Co. By sacrificing himself made the matter worse. Half of the crew is about to be executed any moment at Cake island and he still can do nothing because he wants to protect Zeff.

What I'm saying is that at that point in time there was no way for Sanji to know how deep in the shit he was. Kicking it off against Capone and rejecting the invitation to the wedding at that point is playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets if your up against a yonkou. Besides the threat on Zeff's life was made by the Vinsmokes. Even if Sanji didn't get hunted down by Big Mom he still wouldve double crossed his father who would've ordered the hit on Zeff.

So in the end this is still the outcome with the least amount of casualties among Sanji's friends. That was his goal all along.

BM's crew wasn't an imminent threat though as it would have taken weeks for them to learn of it and then react to it and Zou is constantly moving.

Also if Jack couldn't destroy Zou or even the Mink nation, then short of BM coming herself her crew wouldn't have been as destructive as you're attributing to them. One Yonkou commander(who many claim is the strongest of his crew's commanders) and his group were unable to wipe out Zou.

Wrong, Jack DID destroy Zou and the entire Mink nation. Everyone was beaten and dying of the poison gas. If it wasn't for Chopper and Ceasar the first time and Momonosuke the second time Jack would've succeeded in doing so.

 

[Sojiro]

Pedro is Bad ****in ass. He's got them hands fr, I'm guessing Zepo would be Bepo's dad or big bro. Can't wait to see his fight animated. Tamago and the egg jokes were great. Chopper will hopefully find Sanji through the mirror. I'm thinking he won't find Luffy for sure. Seems like most people were right about Pudding attacking Reiji. The 3rd eye was just a suspicious thing we couldn't get over. My only question is: Why bother with the Lola flashbacks a couple chapters ago? Just a red herring to throw us off?

Sanji right now is being set up for some major redemption. Only thing that puzzles me is how will he handle the Vinsmokes? Really hope they don't get sympathy on behalf of Reiji. And Reiji being attacked and let go puzzling too. Was she supposed to survive or did she escape? Did Sanji just leave after hearing what he heard? Was Reiji investigating and got caught or what? How Reiji ended up in that situation is very curious imo. Great chapter for me, Luffy callin Pudding a ****in ***** was pretty funny lol

 

[ssjelf]

Im not buying it. Why help the strawhats reach Whole Cake island to begin with. She did give them a map. She also protected them from being discovered when she first met them. And what was this whole page about then:

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Not sure why she said what she did to luffy, but at the same time, why bother telling him at all. (Also notice how she whispered all that to him, the guardsmen couldnt hear what she was saying, but surely he must know as well. Why keep it a secret from him, and if it is because she didnt want him to know that she was spilling the beans, then why is she telling luffy at all) I believe this is her plan. She plans to pit the vinsmokes against big mom so the wedding is called off. I think she also wants to force luffy into action by telling him what she did. She wants him angry against big mom and her so this wedding doesnt force sanji into a terrible situation. Also why tell Reiju the plan, isn't that a bit dumb for someone who is such a conniving ***** and a great liar. See I think she told reiju, and injured her, and let her escape, so that the "plan" would be leaked to the vinsmokes and the wedding called off. This whole time, big mom has not let off a single air about something going on behind the scenes. She in the past has been more than happy to marry her children off into a powerful alliance, I dont see why she wouldnt be following the same tactics now.

What Pudding told reiju might be true, or it might all be a fabrication to further promote conflict between big mom and the vinsmokes, but in either case, I think pudding is a triple crosser on the side of the strawhats.

(I also see the potential for a split personality with the third eye and all)

There is also this scan which has two interesting points:

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First: She plans to open the tamatebako at the party. How in the world will she be able to do that if there is a huge fight going on there instead of a wedding party.

Second: If Pudding was telling the truth to Reiju, the Big Mom should know EXACTLY why luffy thinks of pudding as a friend because she told her to trick them. She would have made a comment on that about him being tricked instead of asking why he thought that.

 

[Mori Jin]

Momma we made it!!

XD

That third eye done came out and so did the b¡tch.. lol



Next year starts off with the Big Mom and Brook situation I hope.

I knew it was going to happen, she ain't really that great at acting to be honest

 

[Love Cook]

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And probably wine for Brook (Pink Sake)

Sanji made this bento desperately trying to forget his crew and focus only on Pudding, but look at the result. No matter how much Sanji consciously tries to forget them, his precious hands embody his soul as the Straw Hat’s cook, betraying his effort to distract himself. (Sunnyul Tumblr)
Ok, no one is crying.. no one is crying...

I thought this was a really cool post. Wanted to share it here. Oda is a master of detail.

 

[Hexuze]

Eh, a good chapter, nothing amazing. That was predicable as many people saw this coming. That Pedro mini back story was the highlight of the chapter for me.