[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 850 Discussion and 851 Predictions

[Love Cook]

Great chapter. I wonder why Reiju was acting so oddly calm and nonchalant when Pudding revealed Big Moms intentions with her and the Vinsmokes.

Maybe it has something to do with Reiju bleeding in the first place. I can't imagine it was part of the plan to tell her the plan. So Reiju might've been investigating and stumbled upon Pudding making preparations for the wedding.

If Reiju already had a hunch, she might have some counter measures in place. Or she just realizes she is up against a yonkou and is screwed anyway.

 

[Skull Knight]

Not so really. If Sanji had kicked Capone's ass, then Big Mom would have started hunting them for revenge. That would still leave them being hunted by two Emperors and it's not like they can stay on Zou forever. Zou as a whole barely managed to survive a single fleet from Kaido's crew, and it's not like Sanji was aware of the Strawhat Fleet or Zunisha's ability to fight back.

Considering that Zou's warriors barely managed to survive Jack's invasion, I don't know if it's feasible to say that they'd be able to put up a good fighting chance against several Emperor fleets or the entire crew of one, assuming Big Mom gets pissed off enough for that. The Strawhat Grand Fleet could probably help, but again Sanji doesn't know about them and I can't really remember how strong they are.

It'd also depend on if the Vinsmokes would be aware of Big Mom's secret plan, which I don't see happening. They'd probably keep lying to them and have the Vinsmokes join them in hunting Sanji to force him to Whole Cake to complete the massacre, or they might try to find another way. Can't say for sure.

We already have this discussion few weeks back.BM crew would need few weeks atleast to reach Zhou without Pekoms.
Till that time SH would have left Zou and this chapter basically confirmed BM has no attachment wit Sanji or wit the wedding thing.
She only wanted Germa technology so she wouldn't waste her resource on Sanji rather she would hunt Judge or other Vinsmokes who are fighting in other countries

He might. I hope he does. The only reason he was submissive was because of the deal for Big Mom to protect the Strawhats in exchange for Pudding's happiness. With Pudding's reveal, Sanji would have no reason to keep being submissive and should focus on escaping.

I'd be very disappointed if he keeps deluding himself and remains submissive.

He still has no option other than sacrificing himself.
He went there because of Zeff. If he escapes Zeff as well as Luffy & Co.dies. At this moment his plan failed badly.

 

[Punk Hazard]

We already have this discussion few weeks back.BM crew would need few weeks atleast to reach Zhou without Pekoms.
Till that time SH would have left Zou and this chapter basically confirmed BM has no attachment wit Sanji or wit the wedding thing.
She only wanted Germa technology so she wouldn't waste her resource on Sanji rather she would hunt Judge or

They could have left Zou yeah, but then that defeats your argument that they could have used Zunisha and the Minks to fight back. Even if they left Zou, there's still the big chance Big Mom would have went to Zou to interrogate the Minks on where they went. And we've seen how interrogating the Minks go.

still has no option other than sacrificing himself.
He went there because of Zeff. If he escapes Zeff as well as Luffy & Co.dies. At this moment his plan failed badly.

He went because Capone mentioned his family. Didn't he find out about the assassins after Zeff's head after he got to Whole Cake?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

What are the possibility that Pudding wants to screw the wedding for Sanji's sake by hurting a Vinsmoke member like Reiju, so that the Vinsmokes act fast. I'm saying this because I remember something Sanji said in Water 7 (chapter 359)

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What if Pudding also lied to Luffy, to Reiju, to Vinsmokes, so that they cancel the wedding. What if Pudding wants to really follow on her sister's path, Lola to be free? Or are we gonna accept what we see in this chapter, and say "Nope, that's Pudding's true nature."

I would say that Pudding have her own agenda against her mother.

 

[ToshiZO]

Btw that was nice end to the Year of Sanji. Summed up the entire year for him, hot trash.

 

[Guntah]

Oh, boy...Purin...

Well, I called it, but...I really didn't wanna see THAT...man, poor Sanji.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Btw that was nice end to the Year of Sanji. Summed up the entire year for him, hot trash.

Let's be honest with ourselves, is criticism from a person who can't even come up with alternative choices that objectively would have been better even worth anything at all?

 

[ToshiZO]

Let's be honest with ourselves, is criticism from a person who can't even come up with alternative choices that objectively would have been better even worth anything at all?

I've told you this plenty of times, it's not what he could have done but the way he was acting and portrayed by Oda.

I started calling him out the moment this panel happened.

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The moment he was genuinely excited at what his slave trader told him and was thanking her for making him her slave, was the moment he had hit rock bottom for me, I was hoping in the back of my mind he was only faking infront of big mom, but na this man simply became a submissive pet to Big Mom and her family.

Again it's not what he could have done, he could have and should have done nothing, but he shouldn't have been acting like how he was acting, that's it.

Oda really likes to make characters hit rock bottom, damn he made Sanji look pathetic. For that reason I think Sanji is going to go Light Yagami mode from here on out if you know what I mean.

 

[Love Cook]

Btw that was nice end to the Year of Sanji. Summed up the entire year for him, hot trash.

Did the year of Sanji start on january first 2016 ?

NOPE

Have fun next year, being the whiny little douche that you are in every chapter thread. Must be so frustrating that an entire year of Sanji takes this long.

best year ever. Great Sanji backstory, got to see the family, and now in the last panel of the year the shade falls over his eyes. His blood is boiling, the situation is hopeless.

Mr. Prince will kick ass in 2017 :bouncy:

 

[Punk Hazard]

I've told you this plenty of times, it's not what he could have done but the way he was acting and portrayed by Oda.

I started calling him out the moment this panel happened.

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The moment he was genuinely excited at what his slave trader told him, was the moment he had hit rock bottom for me

Sanji hit rock bottom for you because he was happy the tyrant with the power to kill his crew told him she wasn't going to kill his crew?

Just so I have this right, Sanji became a terrible character, for you, because he was excited that his crew wouldn't die?

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I was hoping in the back of my mind he was only faking infront of big mom, but na this man simply became a submissive pet to Big Mom and her family.

The alternative being what? Fighting back, disobeying, and getting his crew and himself killed?

Again it's not what he could have done, he could have and should have done nothing, but he shouldn't have been acting like how he was acting, that's it.

Again, you're upset because Sanji was happy that a shitty situation for his crew seemed like it'd no longer be a shitty situation for his crew. Okay.

 

[ToshiZO]

Did the year of Sanji start on january first 2016 ?

NOPE

Have fun next year, being the whiny little douche that you are in every chapter thread. Must be so frustrating that an entire year of Sanji takes this long.

best year ever. Great Sanji backstory, got to see the family, and now in the last panel of the year the shade falls over his eyes. His blood is boiling, the situation is hopeless.

Mr. Prince will kick ass in 2017 :bouncy:

Haha I wish I could dig up some of your posts.

Year of Sanji they said, was going to get new feats they said, haters were going to be salty they said. ***** Oda was serving Kool Aid to Sanji haters, I don't think there could have been a more refreshing year for his haters.

*****s were saying Sanji had to redeem himself after Dressrosa, the year of Sanji only had him dig himself deeper haha. Years over friend. What he does from now on is cool and all, but 2016 he ate dirt all year.

 

[Love Cook]

Sanji hit rock bottom for you because he was happy the tyrant with the power to kill his crew told him she wasn't going to kill his crew?

Just so I have this right, Sanji became a terrible character, for you, because he was excited that his crew wouldn't die?

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The alternative being what? Fighting back, disobeying, and getting his crew and himself killed?



Again, you're upset because Sanji was happy that a shitty situation for his crew seemed like it'd no longer be a shitty situation for his crew. Okay.

Nah it was just an over reacting because his post on the first page didn't achieve the desired effect. So he felt to emphasize it again on the second page.

It's all bait. And he knows just as well as everyone who reads the manga that that Sanji had no options, that the situation in a story first has to get dire before the main character can overcome it. But he just acts like a fool because he is not patient enough to deal with the whole year of Sanji thing. It's so sad really.

Haha I wish I could dig up some of your posts.

Year of Sanji they said, was going to get new feats they said, haters were going to be salty they said. ***** Oda was serving Kool Aid to Sanji haters, I don't think there could have been a more refreshing year for his haters.

*****s were saying Sanji had to redeem himself after Dressrosa, the year of Sanji only had him dig himself deeper haha. Years over friend. What he does from now on is cool and all, but 2016 he ate dirt all year.

Go for it, dig them up. I never said that you little liar.

Don't confuse 'they' (whoever they are) because you are unable to name specific persons for the sake of your argument with ME.

This was a great year for backstory of Sanji, it's sad that you're too blinded with frustration with his character that you're not seeing that. But he will get what is coming to him.

If you believe Oda would leave Sanji broken behind without redeeming himself your a bigger fool than I thought.

2017 is the continuation of the year of Sanji

A more refreshing year for his haters ? Dude you were salty as shit the entire year. I'm glad you called yourself a hater. So that misconception is off the table now, you were just in it to whine and nag the entire year. Yeah that must've been so refreshing for you.

 

[ToshiZO]

Sanji hit rock bottom for you because he was happy the tyrant with the power to kill his crew told him she wasn't going to kill his crew?

Just so I have this right, Sanji became a terrible character, for you, because he was excited that his crew wouldn't die?

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The alternative being what? Fighting back, disobeying, and getting his crew and himself killed?



Again, you're upset because Sanji was happy that a shitty situation for his crew seemed like it'd no longer be a shitty situation for his crew. Okay.

It's like you type to yourself, lmfao. You didn't get one word I just wrote.

"This is like a murderer who kidnapped you and says don't worry I wont kill your parents. And that's supposed to be some crazy favour bringing you genuine happiness infront of your kidnapper? It would be more of a sigh of relief but I wouldn't expect your tone to change for your kidnapper, you would still look at them with disgust."

This what I said after that chapter, and it remains this way. This character got absolutely shafted by Oda, he made him look petty.

You bringing your irrelevant drivel over this topic doesn't change this fact. When I talk about options thats when you can quote me about options, until then stop typing to yourself.

A more refreshing year for his haters ? Dude you were salty as shit the entire year. I'm glad you called yourself a hater. So that misconception is off the table now, you were just in it to whine and nag the entire year. Yeah that must've been so refreshing for you.

Because I'm not a Sanji hater? That's the point. I'm just laughing at you though, it must have been really hard on you this year, after all that nonsense you were talking before.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's like you type to yourself, lmfao. You didn't get one word I just wrote.

"This is like a murderer who kidnapped you and says don't worry I wont kill your parents. And that's supposed to be some crazy favour bringing you genuine happiness infront of your kidnapper? It would be more of a sigh of relief but I wouldn't expect your tone to change for your kidnapper, you would still look at them with disgust."

This what I said after that chapter, and it remains this way. This character got absolutely shafted by Oda, he made him look petty.

You bringing your irrelevant drivel over this topic doesn't change this fact. When I talk about options thats when you can quote me about options, until then stop typing to yourself.

Yes, that is something that would warrant genuine happiness. You're trying to invalidate being happy that someone won't kill your friends. You're trying to invalidate being happy that your friends will survive a situation they very easily can die in. Which is just stupid. Sanji has shown that he feels negatively about being forced to be in this situation, so it's not like he was 100% happy about the whole thing.

 

[Love Cook]

Because I'm not a Sanji hater? That's the point. I'm just laughing at you though, it must have been really hard on you this year, after all that nonsense you were talking before.

Quote my nonsense, be a big boy and don't talk in vague words. Otherwise shut the hell up. Like I said, this was a great year for Sanji. We got a second part to his flashback, his family was introduced and he is set-up to play a big role in the second half of the Big Mom arc.

If you watch a James Bond movie, do you rage out half way when he gets caught half way by the villain because you think he should've handled the situation dfferent. Or hate that he was unable to beat the bad guy at that point in time.

That would make for very boring movies and stories if you would be in charge of writing them.

Also by saying "I don't think there could have been a more refreshing year for his haters." that casts a very thick layer of potential Sanji hater over you. And just because you think one post later oopsie, maybe that will work against me in the future, I better lie my way out of it, doesn't mean your previous post was forgotten.

Your motive is hate, which is sad. Too bad you can't enjoy One Piece for the nice things.

 

[Skull Knight]

They could have left Zou yeah, but then that defeats your argument that they could have used Zunisha and the Minks to fight back. Even if they left Zou, there's still the big chance Big Mom would have went to Zou to interrogate the Minks on where they went. And we've seen how interrogating the Minks go.



He went because Capone mentioned his family. Didn't he find out about the assassins after Zeff's head after he got to Whole Cake?

I already said in my previous post that BM has no attachment wit Sanji or wit that wedding thing. Why will she send armies behind him???
Just because he kicked Capone's a** doesn't mean she will hunt him forever. She eats her kids because she is hungry. She doesn't care about her own husband and why will she care about Lola's sisters husband???
She would most likely hunt Judge & other Vinsmokes as they knows what they do wit cloning and stuff.

 

[ToshiZO]

Yes, that is something that would warrant genuine happiness. You're trying to invalidate being happy that someone won't kill your friends. You're trying to invalidate being happy that your friends will survive a situation they very easily can die in. Which is just stupid. Sanji has shown that he feels negatively about being forced to be in this situation, so it's not like he was 100% happy about the whole thing.

Being happy? He was thanking his kidnapper from the bottom of his heart, and was ready to happily conform to her requests. Disgusting behaviour, when you know he should have been suspicious about it all.

This man stopped thinking entirely. If he thought even rationally for one moment he knows Luffy his captain, is not just going to be like "cool Big Mom says to go therefore I'll abandon my crewmate" and he would know not to trust some conniving ***** like Big Mom for even a moment. Especially because this was supposed to be Sanji who thinks several steps ahead.

But that's exactly what happened, Sanji became a submissive slave, because he was in la la land. He had no options so he folded. Thought he was mentally tougher than that, but it's w.e, now we know.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Let's be honest with ourselves, is criticism from a person who can't even come up with alternative choices that objectively would have been better even worth anything at all?

You say better as if Sanji's plan was good at all. Sanji was scared of his family and thought his family was stronger than his crew. Sanji's plan to save everybody was just as ineffective as if he had stayed and fought alongside his crew.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Being happy? He was thanking his kidnapper from the bottom of his heart

Because she accepted his deal to not kill his friends? Again, you're trying to make someone agreeing to let your friends go when they don't have to seem like something you should react negatively too, and that's dumb.l.

This man stopped thinking entirely. If he thought even rationally for one moment he knows Luffy his captain, is not just going to be like "cool Big Mom says to go therefore I'll abandon my crewmate" and he would know not to trust some conniving ***** like Big Mom for even a moment. Especially because this was supposed to be Sanji who thinks several steps ahead.

When has Sanji ever witnessed Big Mom expressing such a trait? Hell, we, the audience, didn't know Big Mom was conniving until this very chapter, so how would Sanji know to expect that?

But that's exactly what happened, Sanji became a submissive slave, because he was in la la land. He had no options so he folded. Thought he was mentally tougher than that, but it's w.e, now we know.

The bolded highlights exactly why everything you're saying is nonsense. You admit he has no options, then criticize him for folding? The **** kinda logic is this?

You say better as if Sanji's plan was good at all.

Better=/=good. It's better to be stranded in a desert close to a town than it is to be stranded in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, but that doesn't mean either option is "good." Same applies to the choices that Sanji have. It's asinine to criticize Sanji for making bad choices when the alternatives were worse. Unless you can bring up a better alternative that was available to choose, you might as well be criticizing someone because they chose to eat sand instead of eating glass.

 

[Jupiter]

What if it's a plot twist within a plot twist and Pudding is actually still nice and she's acting this evil to somehow help the others in the end? I mean why tell Reiju that they're planning on killing everyone in the first place before the wedding has even begun?