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A really good question that needs to be answered in the epilogue of the arc is where is everybody going to live now that the city is in ruins.

They are all going to need a place to sleep while the city is rebuilt.
 

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A really good question that needs to be answered in the epilogue of the arc is where is everybody going to live now that the city is in ruins.

They are all going to need a place to sleep while the city is rebuilt.
Mansherry will probably rebuild all the buildings. It's implied that buildings don't have the same "few minutes" limit that people have when affected by her powers since Doflamingo wanted to use it on the factory.
 

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It definitely looked like they all three had their own spot pushing back the cage with black weapons.

I wonder if Law is going to pull his 'special' move off to bring Luffy back. Because why else would he come back in this state to help out, and was all of that introduced in this arc.

Also at all the whino's in this thread. This is a crucial explaining chapter, you can't skip it because otherwise 20 chapters from now you will start whining about plotholes in dressrosa because it didn't made any sense why Mansherry or Fujitora didn't help. The *****ing on Fujitora started last week already, so just give Oda all the chapters he needs to, in order to wrap the arc up. It's pretty obvious that this arc won't take more than 5 chapters to be over so just chill out, this is just part of telling a good story.
I didn't know the other two had CoA o.o

At first, I thought Law would try to perform that technique, which could pull the last string of his life. Damn, it was a shock to have such thought.

You took the words out of my mouth. ah, more like out of my fingers :)

Eleven more chapters and the number of chapters in this arc will be in the hundreds. I still don't see why people are complaining, though. It's a turning point in the story - the story as a whole, that is. After this arc, and probably for the rest of the series, things will no longer be child's play for the crew. They're entering the big league now.
Yup, true enough. Probably they will appreciate it more when they read this whole arc in one-go later on.

I didnt say that. Stop putting words into my mouth. Baaka.

All i'm saying is that im sure all the important parties currently have den den mushi's . They could communicate with each other.
I remember Sanji's "bwuaaakaa" when you stated that XD

But the recent Luffy's party didn't have den den mushi. So far I haven't noticed it. So did Law. :(

A really good question that needs to be answered in the epilogue of the arc is where is everybody going to live now that the city is in ruins.

They are all going to need a place to sleep while the city is rebuilt.
You're so nice for worrying about them citizens :mew: For sure Fuji will take care of that kinda matter, though I have a feeling the Tontattas will give them a hand.

at least its better than bleach
But chair-sama is awesome there...
 

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A really good question that needs to be answered in the epilogue of the arc is where is everybody going to live now that the city is in ruins.

They are all going to need a place to sleep while the city is rebuilt.
Well I don't think that's going to be a big problem. Knowing Oda he would probably approach the problem very positively and just let them all rebuild the country from scratch without much issues. I also reckon many other countries would help them. Don't forget that king Riku and his ancestors haven't waged a single war in 800 years or so and always supported other countries like that of King Ellizabelio and that it's now time that they help Dressrosa.

Mansherry will probably rebuild all the buildings. It's implied that buildings don't have the same "few minutes" limit that people have when affected by her powers since Doflamingo wanted to use it on the factory.
I don't think Mansherry will have enough tears to revive an entire country, though then again they might take their time for it by doing it slowly.

In regards to the factory DD could have been thinking that he could use Mansherry for a long duration of time so that these "few minutes" never run out.
 

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I don't really understand why people are complaining about the Birdcage. Sure, you gotta be, like, crazy strong to actually manage to stop it, but it's not like we haven't seen stuff like this before. Remember Raigou, Enel's gigantic apocalyptic thunder cloud? Because I sure do. Unless a certain rubber man had appeared, that sh*t would've been unstoppable. He even made two of those things, which should be, I don't know, impossible to pull off or something.

Then there's the casualties of the Birdcage incident. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think it'd be much more efficient for Doflamingo to get rid of the Dressrosians himself, instead of waiting for the Birdcage to slowly do its job. The cage isn't that strong of an attack, it just affects its surroundings greatly. So, in the end, it doesn't matter if it's Doflamingo or his Birdcage that does the job; if you're too weak, you're too weak. You're done. You can't win against Doflamingo. All the Birdcage does then is blocking your sorry ass to freedom. Basically, you gotta have the necessary strength to win against Doflamingo and his cage.

Also, it's not against the rules for a Devil Fruit user's technique to be stronger than the user himself. I mean, come on, the wake of Law's slash was capable of cutting apart Caesar's laboratory and the surrounding mountains. What's stopping him from one day doing the same thing to Dressrosa and all its buildings, while dismembering most of its population along with it? He could literally just stroll down the streets of Dressrosa and cut that sh*t in two with some swordsmanship, but I don't see people getting triggered over that. At least Doflamingo's Birdcage takes close to an hour or so to shrink completely.

I may as well talk a bit about Fujitora, as well. Obviously his greatest weapon isn't his psychical strength, so no one should expect him to be able to move the cage with a swing of his sword. However, using his usual gravity isn't exactly the smartest idea, either. Can he widen out the cage with his gravity? Probably, but in this situation? No. He'd have to push both sides of the cage, which obviously would affect the town and its people. They'd be moved along with the gravity. If he ended up only pushing, let's say, the north side of the Birdcage, the whole cage wouldn't widen out, but instead move north. The strings to the south would follow after and move across the remainders of the town.

"Why can't he go and fight Doflamingo himself, then?" you ask? If Zoro takes almost half an hour to reach the moving strings from the inner parts of the town, Fujitora, a blind man with a cane, from his current location, would probably take a bit longer than that to get to Doflamingo. And we all know Fujitora doesn't have that kind of time. The same applies to the Colosseum fighters, like Bartolomeo and Cavendish. They won't be able to reach Doflamingo before the cage shrinks. Neither do they know about Doflamingo's current condition, considering how the narrator's point of view isn't available to all. It's not like they'd just instinctively think Doflamingo's injured, either.

"Why didn't Fujitora fight Doflamingo before when he actually had time?" Because obviously he didn't know the Birdcage would start shrinking. Before that he was trying to do his job properly, believe it or not.
 
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And Zoro said, the cage could not be stopped by simply pushing, you would need Haki or seastone to stop it. So Fujitora's Gravity is gonna do nothing.
 

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I don't really understand why people are complaining about the Birdcage. Sure, you gotta be, like, crazy strong to actually manage to stop it, but it's not like we haven't seen stuff like this before. Remember Raigou, Enel's gigantic apocalyptic thunder cloud? Because I sure do. Unless a certain rubber man had appeared, that sh*t would've been unstoppable. He even made two of those things, which should be, I don't know, impossible to pull off or something.

Then there's the casualties of the Birdcage incident. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think it'd be much more efficient for Doflamingo to get rid of the Dressrosians himself, instead of waiting for the Birdcage to slowly do its job. The cage isn't that strong of an attack, it just affects its surroundings greatly. So, in the end, it doesn't matter if it's Doflamingo or his Birdcage that does the job; if you're too weak, you're too weak. You're done. You can't win against Doflamingo. All the Birdcage does then is blocking your sorry ass to freedom. Basically, you gotta have the necessary strength to win against Doflamingo and his cage.

Also, it's not against the rules for a Devil Fruit user's technique to be stronger than the user himself. I mean, come on, the wake of Law's slash was capable of cutting apart Caesar's laboratory and the surrounding mountains. What's stopping him from one day doing the same thing to Dressrosa and all its buildings, while dismembering most of its population along with it? He could literally just stroll down the streets of Dressrosa and cut that sh*t in two with some swordsmanship, but I don't see people getting triggered over that. At least Doflamingo's Birdcage takes close to an hour or so to shrink completely.

I may as well talk a bit about Fujitora, as well. Obviously his greatest weapon isn't his psychical strength, so no one should expect him to be able to move the cage with a swing of his sword. However, using his usual gravity isn't exactly the smartest idea, either. Can he widen out the cage with his gravity? Probably, but in this situation? No. He'd have to push both sides of the cage, which obviously would affect the town and its people. They'd be moved along with the gravity. If he ended up only pushing, let's say, the north side of the Birdcage, the whole cage wouldn't widen out, but instead move north. The strings to the south would follow after and move across the remainders of the town.

"Why can't he go and fight Doflamingo himself, then?" you ask? If Zoro takes almost half an hour to reach the moving strings from the inner parts of the town, Fujitora, a blind man with a cane, from his current location, would probably take a bit longer than that to get to Doflamingo. And we all know Fujitora doesn't have that kind of time. The same applies to the Colosseum fighters, like Bartolomeo and Cavendish. They won't be able to reach Doflamingo before the cage shrinks. Neither do they know about Doflamingo's current condition, considering how the narrator's point of view isn't available to all. It's not like they'd just instinctively think Doflamingo's injured, either.

"Why didn't Fujitora fight Doflamingo before when he actually had time?" Because obviously he didn't know the Birdcage would start shrinking. Before that he was trying to do his job properly, believe it or not.
Fujitora went all the way from the coast of Dressrosa to colosseum which is located almost at the middle of the country to stop Zoro from confronting Joker. So I don't see how distance and time can serve as obstacles for Fujitora to reach and fight Joker. He simply wanted to let people of Dressrosa take revenge on Joker on their own and counting on Luffy to beat him on their behalf.

Just covering Hill and it's surroundings took some of his life span for Law so I doubt he could destroy the country that easily.

I don't agree with people that are complaining but they're not completely wrong. At this point it appears as if Oda is just nerfing characters for the sake of Luffy. But what else can we expect form him? If someone other than Luffy ends up defeating Joker than people will start crying saying that Oda might as well change the main character.What the actual f*** is the point of being main character if you're not going to be the one that carries highest burdens? Oda isn't god or anything, even he has his own flaws. We have to just admit that he can't handle everything perfectly and move on. IMO his methods may not be 100% perfect but He's handling the situation in best possible way.

 
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Fujitora went all the way from the coast of Dressrosa to colosseum which is located almost at the middle of the country to stop Zoro from confronting Joker. So I don't see how distance and time can serve as obstacles for Fujitora to reach and fight Joker. He simply wanted to let people of Dressrosa take revenge on Joker on their own and counting on Luffy to beat him on their behalf.

Just covering Hill and it's surroundings took some of his life span for Law so I doubt he could destroy the country that easily.

I don't agree with people that are complaining but they're not completely wrong. At this point it appears as if Oda is just nerfing characters for the sake of Luffy. But what else can we expect form him? If someone other than Luffy ends up defeating Joker than people will start crying saying that Oda might as well change the main character.What the actual f*** is the point of being main character if you're not going to be the one that carries highest burdens? Oda isn't god or anything, even he has his own flaws. We have to just admit that he can't handle everything perfectly and move on. IMO his methods may not be 100% perfect but He's handling the situation in best possible way.

He isn't nerfing the characters. It's obvious that Fujitora can't do much given the circumstance that he is placed in. Someone brought up the idea of him using his gravity at a 360 degree angle to push the birdcage but it will end up killing civilians. He already placed his bet on Luffy to handle this. There's no need to get upset/mad over this either.
 

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He isn't nerfing the characters. It's obvious that Fujitora can't do much given the circumstance that he is placed in. Someone brought up the idea of him using his gravity at a 360 degree angle to push the birdcage but it will end up killing civilians. He already placed his bet on Luffy to handle this. There's no need to get upset/mad over this either.

@Bold: That's literally what I have said. And I wasn't referring to Fujitora alone nor did I said anything related to him destroying birdcage. And I don't even get from where you're getting that being mad/upset point as no one is upset here. Btw,nothing stops Fujitora from fighting Joker and defeating him on his own if it isn't for the sake of Luffy's main character theme and it's clear as day for anyone with little understand of manga. Just accept the reality instead of making excuses for every little thing.
 

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@Bold: That's literally what I have said. And I wasn't referring to Fujitora alone nor did I said anything related to him destroying birdcage. And I don't even get from where you're getting that being mad/upset point as no one is upset here. Btw,nothing stops Fujitora from fighting Joker and defeating him on his own if it isn't for the sake of Luffy's main character theme and it's clear as day for anyone with little understand of manga. Just accept the reality instead of making excuses for every little thing.
Most people are complaining about Fujitora getting nerfed and the way you structured your post made it seem like you're talking about him. Make excuses for what? Fujitora already implied why he wouldn't defeat Doffy himself.
 
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Most people are complaining about Fujitora getting nerfed and the way you structured your post made it seem like you're talking about him. Make excuses for what? Fujitora already implied why he wouldn't defeat Doffy himself.

If you actually try to understand my point, I was explaining why Oda is restraining people that are capable of defeating Joker from going after his head which is entirely different from complaining about it. @ Bold: That's what you call nerfing people. Fujitora literally has no logical reason to count on Luffy but the writer did made him do that. He's betting on Luff but why? Because he can't do that himself? Or because Joker is a war lord? If so then why in the world did he claimed that he'd take care of Joker after dealing with Law and co? Even a vice admiral despite being fully aware of Joker's position suggested him to arrest Joker yet Fujitora refused to do so without having any solid reason.Everything is going as it is, Because Luffy is the main character and he should be the one to beat Joker.
 
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If you actually try to understand my point, I was explaining why Oda is restraining people that are capable of defeating Joker from going after his head which is entirely different from complaining about it. @ Bold: That's what you call nerfing people. Fujitora literally has no logical reason to count on Luffy but the writer did made him do that. Because Luffy is the main character and he should be the one to beat Joker.
It could of easily been mistaken for just Fujitora since most people were complaining about him. Lol I don't think you understand what nerfing a character means. That's called convenience, it shouldn't be confused with nerfing a character. Nerfing his character would be like if Oda suddenly stated that Fujitora had an illness and could not push the birdcage or something. We don't have a full idea of Fujitora's rationale so I wouldn't say he has no logical reason in counting on Luffy.
 
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It could of easily been mistaken for just Fujitora since most people were complaining about him. Lol I don't think you understand what nerfing a character means. That's called convenience, it shouldn't be confused with nerfing a character. Nerfing his character would be like if Oda suddenly stated that Fujitora had an illness and could not push the birdcage or something.

By nerfing I was referring to the characters performance not it's strength. I mean he's being less useful than he can actually be.
 
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Fujitora went all the way from the coast of Dressrosa to colosseum which is located almost at the middle of the country to stop Zoro from confronting Joker. So I don't see how distance and time can serve as obstacles for Fujitora to reach and fight Joker. He simply wanted to let people of Dressrosa take revenge on Joker on their own and counting on Luffy to beat him on their behalf.
Unless the guy can teleport, it would obviously take him more than ten minutes. Just from this post, it seems as if you're assuming that (a) our dear Admiral knows about Doflamingo's current condition, (b) that Fujitora's gravitational-based powers wouldn't be restricted under these circumstances, and (c) that a restricted Fujitora could take out (as far as Fujitora is aware) a good-to-go Doflamingo in less than ten minutes, or even as much as half an hour.

Just covering Hill and it's surroundings took some of his life span for Law so I doubt he could destroy the country that easily.
That's the side effect of overusing his abilities. Under other circumstances, he would have no problem creating a bigger sphere. Two or three swings with his sword would be enough to create just as much chaos in Dressrosa, I believe.

I don't agree with people that are complaining but they're not completely wrong. At this point it appears as if Oda is just nerfing characters for the sake of Luffy. But what else can we expect form him? If someone other than Luffy ends up defeating Joker than people will start crying saying that Oda might as well change the main character.What the actual f*** is the point of being main character if you're not going to be the one that carries highest burdens? Oda isn't god or anything, even he has his own flaws. We have to just admit that he can't handle everything perfectly and move on. IMO his methods may not be 100% perfect but He's handling the situation in best possible way.
First of all, you don't know what nerfing means. Secondly; yes, Oda's writing has flaws - even though rarely - but this is not one of those times. It's already been explained why Fujitora won't fight Doflamingo himself. You see stuff like this in war all the time-- not that I know a sh*t about war, but just bear with me here. There are times when soldiers abandon their mission to save their squad's skin, knowing fully well that failing that mission could potentially cause hundreds, if not thousands of other deaths. Sometimes someone's beliefs just stride against what's smartest. Fujitora don't plan on playing the Marine hero. He wants to protect the Dressrosians his way, not by fighting a guy with unbreakable shades, but by stopping the shrinking cage. Is this so hard to understand?

Btw,nothing stops Fujitora from fighting Joker and defeating him on his own if it isn't for the sake of Luffy's main character theme and it's clear as day for anyone with little understand of manga. Just accept the reality instead of making excuses for every little thing.
His own ideals are stopping him. Also, let's not forget the limited amount of time he's got, with his limited power. There's the distance, as well, but I guess that's arguable.

Fujitora literally has no logical reason to count on Luffy but the writer did made him do that. He's betting on Luff but why? Because he can't do that himself? Or because Joker is a war lord? If so then why in the world did he claimed that he'd take care of Joker after dealing with Law and co? Even a vice admiral despite being fully aware of Joker's position suggested him to arrest Joker yet Fujitora refused to do so without having any solid reason.Everything is going as it is, Because Luffy is the main character and he should be the one to beat Joker.
You do know that Fujitora is "technically" on Doflamingo's side, right? Fujitora's got orders, too, you know. He's there to help Doflamingo, because the latter demanded it. The World Government, afraid of the threat Doflamingo poses, respond to these demands. Now that the Birdcage is up, Fujitora can't contact HQ. This is why he's still following his old orders, because there aren't any "new" ones. This was made clear in . According to Doflamingo, the Marines won't attack them-- even after Doflamingo put up the Birdcage and started massacring people, Fujitora decided to follow orders. Solid enough reason for you?
 
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