Big wordy mess of nonsense, I think my original point still stands.
The point of those first three questions was that Kin'emon spend more chapters and arcs on the Sunny then half of the actual members did pre skip. So I understand that they're not members, but that doesn't take away from the point how Oda is introducing people to party post skip. Same goes with the grand fleet, he is going for a different dynamic.
Pre-skip and post-skip or a connection with Luffy don't really matter because Luffy doesn't exist, he is fictional. The relationship Oda is trying to establish is with the reader. And as a reader we have known Kin'emon for like six years, not as an official member but still being at Luffy's side.
Kinemon joined SHs in PH arc(
46chapters), Stayed with them in Dressrosa(
102chapters), In Zou he left with Law n Co.(
21 chapters). In Wano he returned.
That's
169chapters not counting Wano.
How is he spending more time with SHs then other crew?
The last SH joined was Jinbei introduced in Impel Down arc(
25 chapters). Helped Luffy throughout in MF arc(
31chapters), Got invited during FI arc(
51 chapters), joined n left in WCI (
78 chapters) and Re-joined in Wano.
That's
185chapters n not counting Wano or when he was introduced at the beginning but wasn't shown.
I m pretty sure if you wanna do it for other SHs like Brook, Franky, Robin the results won't differ.
Besides travelling with SHs n not becoming part of Original crew isn't a post TS phenomenon. It happened pre TS too. Yosaku n Johnny travelled with SHs in multiple arcs. Same with Vivi n her duck.
Multiple ppl have been on board of Merry pre TS. They aren't considered part of SHs.
You keep bringing the fleet argument. But this is what happened during the ceremony
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Luffy outright rejected their offer saying if he drink that cup then he will become Captain of the fleet.
Rather he made it clear that he will call them if required n will help them if they call him. He never intended them to join him. He even went on to say that if Hajrudin bring back the glory of Giants pirates then he will be excited to fight them.
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And after this Fleet went on with their journey. They aren't following Luffy. They are carving their own path. That's why they are treated as a separate unit.
Job roles are not a big deal. Navigator, cook, medic and shipwright had an impact on the story, but all those were filled pretty fast and they were actively looking for those. As for the rest, they just get something assigned that fits their dream or background. Jimbei the helmsman: okay cool, did they ever really need one ? Or a musician or a archaeologist (yes yes poneglyps, it's still not a role on a ship). What is Zoro ? first mate ? What does that entail and what was the last time he acted as a first mate ? Point is if Yamato joins Oda will come up with some kind of role, don't you worry about it.
You say they fill certain ppl faster than others but it doesn't change the fact that Luffy himself said that he only need 10ppl
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Heck Luffy wanted a musician even before reaching Grandline.
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Oda kept the usual trope of assigning a certain job role for all the members. It's nothing knew. It was chalked out pre TS.
Saying Oda will make one for Yamato on the go doesn't change the fact that she has no job role at present.
Maybe ambassador of Wano when they open up the borders. So she can sail the ship of the pirate king visiting places and establish bonds with other kingdoms and allies. Completely fits in Oden's book.
You can't sail on a pirate ship n say you are an ambassador of "XYZ kingdom". You will be thrown into the prison or much worse executed the moment Marines or WG finds out. Just take the example of Rayleigh who asked Kizaru to tear his poster as he has retired n Kizaru replied his sins can't be forgotten.
You're cherrypicking with the fight matchups now, besides that King vs Zoro is highly speculated since King is nowhere to be seen for a couple of chapters and Zoro is in a cast. Just look back how Whole Cake arc, Dressrosa, Zou and Punk Hazard were handled where some of the big bads were being taken on by third parties.
Law vs vergo, Ino/Neko vs Jack, Sabo vs Fuji, Vinsmokes vs Big mom Pirates, Grand Fleet vs Doffy family. Only fight that comes to mind is Zoro vs Pica. So the high profile matches are more often for Luffy and new characters that claim spotlight then they are for the Strawhats that fit your outdated pattern.
You want to lookout past arcs:
At PH, Caesar was the Main villain fought n lost against Luffy.
His assistant Monet was shown glimpse of near death experience by Zoro. Only after which she lost to Tasigi.
At Dressrosa, Dofflamingo was the strongest guy in that arc fought with Luffy
Next Strongest guy was Pica fought wit Zoro
WCi n Zou are exceptions. Reason are below:
At Zou Dukes Vs Jack was a flashback. No real fight happened when SHs reached Zou. N yes I m not counting Zunisha swinging his trunk as a fight.
At WCI only 2 full fledged fight scenes were shown, where a proper outcome came that's Commanders Vs Luffy. All the other fights have no outcome whatsoever (W/L).
Oda is maintaining pre TS stuff. If not then we would have gotten Law beating Dofflamingo in Dressrosa.
Whenever the full crew is lined up we are getting- Luffy fighting the strongest n Zoro n Sanji fighting the next hierarchy guys. Something that's again gonna happen in this arc too.
I'm aware that Sanji has a raid suit, I still think Jimbei is stronger. He hold himself briefly vs Big Mom on the ship and is doing good work in both wars against the yonkou so far. Don't forget he came back unscathed when he joined the fishmen in their attempt to stop Big Mom from chasing the Strawhats. I don't see Sanji doing that to be honest.
Jinbei took shots on a dilapidated, mindless version of BM. Even Brook took shots on her. Not to forget he was close to the sea giving him added benefit against a df user.
Sanji with his Raid suit has already moved above Jinbei as he was kicking butts of Drake(someone who's consider as strong as Queen). Whereas Jinbei has never shown traits which put him above Queen or any 2nd Commander lvl ppl. Even the current matchup is enough to prove that Oda is still maintaining that Monster Trio part intact.
"As per you it's ok if Yamato is ahead of Zoro bcus he has Yonko blood. BM's all kids have Yonko blood. So all of them should be above Zoro n Sanji right ?"
No ! Dumb statement, don't put words in my mouth. I explained where Yamato's strength came from, her lineage. That doesn't mean that every child of a yonkou uses their potential or were blessed with the same talents. Brulee is pretty capable, but she is no Katakuri. So it depends who joins, but some family members are stronger than current Zoro and Sanji yes. Definitely not all.
Lineage has nothing to do with overall strength of a certain character. If it did then Ace would be the most Overpowered character in the series. And he had all sorts of Haki n stuff.
I m pretty sure now both Sanji n Zoro are either at same lvl as Ace was pre TS or above him currently.
What is the monster trio anyway ? It's a dynamic. That dynamic won't be lost. The only thing that changes is the hierarchy in power. If you want to fight other yonkou, the government or whatever enemy in the future. It's clear you need help because Chopper and Usopp aren't cutting it, hell even Zoro had only one good attack in him. You're going to need firepower, and Oda delivers in the form of Jimbei and Yamato (and the grand fleet)
If Oda wanted to add firepower in SHs then he would have given all sorts of Armament n Conqueror Haki to each individual by this time.
If we think about future fights - taking example of Admirals v SHs then the matchup will be something like this Akainu, Fujitora, Kizaru, Green bull Vs Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jinbei. Notice SHs already have 4strong guys facing 4admirals.
It's funny that someone like Robin hasn't exhibit Armament even tho she sailed with numerous pirates n was an assassin when introduced which proves that Oda's priority was never giving SHs that firepower from the beginning. Rather he inserted powerups during the arc or with Flashbacks (G4, Ceasar helping Choper etc).
Also if firepower was a key aspect then Katakuri would have joined SHs after WCI as commanders who are beaten, losses their rank n not treated properly.
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But obviously Oda wasn't going to add someone stronger than Luffy in crew. Same way he waited for Sanji n Zoro to get a powerup after which Jinbei joined them.
I don't think One Piece is perfect, if only for the simple fact that I rated this chapter 4 stars. Luffy never shared any of his knowledge with his crew. Luffy most of the times understand things by feeling it and doesn't react to any conventional methods of teaching, let alone him being a teacher and lastly doesn't use a weapon.
Zoro got his haki sucked out of him by his blade and got over it by being stubborn. But Yamato seems to use it efficiently in her club.
Zoro's Enma is a cursed blade which sucks Ryu of its user. That's why Yonkos could sense Ryu of Oden from Zoro's blade. Yamato's club wasn't given any description like this. Enma is completely different sorta weapons which Zoro acquired giving his Shusui.
Heck Yamato hasn't even showed the advance Haki part where she doesn't need to touch her opponent. What's she going to teach Zoro? How to do Thunder Bagua lol....
So can I see her joining even while she has only been introduced in this arc ? Yeah, wasn't a problem for Zoro, Sanji, Usopp, Chopper, Franky and Brook.
Bottomline, you made up all kinds of nonsensical arguments and barriers that already have been broken in the past.
This is my final reply on this topic by the way, so take that in consideration if you want to put time in a reply.
The only non sensical argument is ppl in every arc cheering look we found a new SH.
First it was Monet in PH,
Then Violet/Rebecca in Dressrosa,
Carrot in Zou,
N now It's Yamato.
Not even once Luffy said he's going to take her. Yet ppl are arguing that she's already a Strawhat. Why there's a rush to get a new SH when 2guys joined / re-united in this arc?