[Discussion] One Piece hype isn't supposed to exist

[Kratoss]

@momma son

Yeah...I'm not gonna respond to that, you remind of some people on the old online forum I used to be in, and let's just say that I didn't think highly of them.

Agree to disagree, I can't see any good happening if I argued back.

 

[Hexuze]

@momma son

Yeah...I'm not gonna respond to that, you remind of some people on the old online forum I used to be in, and let's just say that I didn't think highly of them.

Agree to disagree, I can't see any good happening if I argued back.

Whatever, you know what I said is correct and you can't think of way to back it up. You still never replied to the discussions we've had in our PM's. I still wanna know how Sakura is a complex & well-written character with many "layers" to her. :l

And if you wanna know why I'm on a naruto-forum is that I enjoy the community a lot & the OP community in this forum is awesome. I would move over to OPB but that site is usually down or inactive compared to here. I don't think Naruto is utter sh*t, the story for me personally declined during the end of the pain arc. The war itself is a huge disappointment and the title of having it called the "4th ninja world war" is misleading.

 

[Kratoss]

Sure you are free to think and speculate whatever, I don't mind or rather don't care.

I didn't reply to that PM because I stopped reading halfway, it was too braindead, and I feared for my mental health.

 

[Hexuze]

Sure you are free to think and speculate whatever, I don't mind or rather don't care.

I didn't reply to that PM because I stopped reading halfway, it was too braindead, and I feared for my mental health.

l0l, it's funny how just a few posts ago you accused me of making an ad hominem. Again, I still want to know how Sakura is a complex & well-written character with many "layers". If you really forgot what you wrote, I'll just copy and paste it here:

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Writing of characters, as in their characterizations, developments, depth, layers of complexity, dimensions, backstories etc. That's quite of a generalization there. Character developments in characters like Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Shikamaru, Gaara, Obito, Madara, Nagato (in the case of the last three characters it's more of backstory development), Kakashi, Hinata, Sai, etc there just have been too many characters that got character development in the series.

Why wouldn't I be able to judge the fights? I dropped it, but I watched some of the future fights that I might have been missing, and they are still as bad as the fights that I've seen while watching the anime. Majority of them are devoid of strategy and intellect, no decent choreography in them, just straight up power battles, that are just boring and mind numbing at times.

Great plot twists means great writing, that's only common sense. The Itachi's plot twist, is there anything as good as that in one piece? no, the best I've heard from one piece fans, is Sabo coming back to life, bleh.

Also reminded me that Naruto actually has death. Death by itself doesn't make a manga better, but one piece is borderline retarded by how few characters have actually died.

My response:
Layers of complexity? You're telling me that characters like Sakura are so well written with layers of complexity? Even if they got good development (which you're completely wrong), it doesn't answer that these main/major characters are pretty much forgotten & barely get panel time. K11 are pretty much forgotten and this whole world war arc doesn't feel like a war, let alone a world war. What is Naruto's world comprised of? Just 5 nations, please... Even if there's more than 5 nations, why aren't they at this war were Kaguya (pretty much a god you can say) is involved?


OP is a lot more complex and has better writing than Naruto. I'll save myself the explanation by referring you to this thread:

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OP isn't strategic orientated, they fight dirty. However some fights are strategic base but most aren't. Ninjas/Hunters fight strategic but again refer to the thread I've posted. OP fights have a lot more meaning to them.

Sabo coming back isn't a plot twist. It's been hinted that he survived so don't make it sound like he died and came back to life. This isn't Naruto. Dying in Naruto doesn't really mean much if you have edo tensei that pretty much undermines the point of their death. Plot twists doesn't make a series good, there's many factors included.

How is it retarded? The deaths we've had were impactful, unlike deaths in Naruto (Hidan, Kakazu, Neji, etc.). The only death that was impactful was jiraiya. Quality > Quantity.

 

[Kratoss]

> if you forgot what you wrote

l2read

I didn't reply to that PM because I stopped reading halfway, it was too braindead, and I feared for my mental health.

I already told you, I won't engage you in argument, no matter how hard you bait me.

 

[lubricati0n]

One Piece hype should not exist cause someone doesn't feel it? That's new. I guess a lot of things in this world shouldn't exist either.

 

[shon93]

Seems like this is a Naruto fan trying to stir up some Drama. One thing is certain and that IS One Piece is leagues above Naruto. This is the last arc in Naruto and Dressrosa is better than it what a shame. Naruto is so bad to the point that I believe Kishi draws the shit on Wednesday Morning and post it so the Narutards can rejoice and call that shit a masterpiece

 

[Jimmy page]

@Kratoss. IDK how to say it lol. I have a problem with it because there was no point in having Naruto go through all that in part one and then find out oh wait he's ninja Jesus. The theme could have easily stayed the same without a prophecy.

@Yo mamma san. Pell surving was an aspull of the utmost level. Oda was very hesitant about killing off people in those days(and still kind of is, though that's not that big an issue), but pell surviving a bomb capable of destroying a city is plot armor. He's way lower tier so he should have not even had the chance to be healed. He should have been blown to smithereens.

 

[Hexuze]

@Kratoss. IDK how to say it lol. I have a problem with it because there was no point in having Naruto go through all that in part one and then find out oh wait he's ninja Jesus. The theme could have easily stayed the same without a prophecy.

@Yo mamma san. Pell surving was an aspull of the utmost level. Oda was very hesitant about killing off people in those days(and still kind of is, though that's not that big an issue), but pell surviving a bomb capable of destroying a city is plot armor. He's way lower tier so he should have not even had the chance to be healed. He should have been blown to smithereens.

So I guess by that logic, everyone being revived from the pain invasion was an asspull/plot-hole? No, like you said it's plot armor. We don't have too much insight on his DF so it's possible that his zoan DF could of played a factor in him surviving. Pell isn't low-tier (fodder) but he did have decent combat/strength capabilities at the time.

 

[Jimmy page]

So I guess by that logic, everyone being revived from the pain invasion was an asspull/plot-hole? No, like you said it's plot armor. We don't have too much insight on his DF so it's possible that his zoan DF could of played a factor in him surviving. Pell isn't low-tier (fodder) but he did have decent combat/strength capabilities at the time.

Imo the pein thing was bad writing, so yes, Pell and pein reviving people are both ass pulls/plot armor whatever you want to call it.

 

[Hexuze]

Imo the pein thing was bad writing, so yes, Pell and pein reviving people are both ass pulls/plot armor whatever you want to call it.

Eh for the whole pain stuff I wouldn't call it an ass-pull, it was just bad writing. What was the point of killing them then reviving them back? At least Pell had a purpose to take the bomb, which was to show his loyalty and it was even explained that a doctor healed him. I'm sure he'll have his purpose during the summit that everyone is attending too. There's incidents irl where people have survived bomb blasts as well, granted most of them were suffering life-threatening injuries but it's a possibility that Pell's Zoan ability played a factor in it.

 

[Jimmy page]

Eh for the whole pain stuff I wouldn't call it an ass-pull, it was just bad writing. What was the point of killing them then reviving them back? At least Pell had a purpose to take the bomb, which was to show his loyalty and it was even explained that a doctor healed him. I'm sure he'll have his purpose during the summit that everyone is attending too. There's incidents irl where people have survived bomb blasts as well, granted most of them were suffering life-threatening injuries but it's a possibility that Pell's Zoan ability played a factor in it.

I said that. I won't comment on pell again.

 

[BISHOPALONE]

makes a thread bashing OP hype...tries to prove FT is better...lol.
FT isnt in same league with OP at all. Naruto, even with the current trash is still better than FT and OP is above Naruto.
Talk of the emotions, comedy, development, plot twist, action moments....OP superceeds them.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Well dude u so shld have chose a better topic for yo thread.

The Pell surviving is a very interesting incident on the OP verse for me coz its the go to card for apointing fingers at one piece "plot holes" for nmmanner a hater and critics but call it me being just another fanboy who cant see past their fav series or whatever but to me that was point from which amazing charecter development can be made. What I mean is if well Oda never mentions about it then yes it was plot hole-ish of him but if he later gives an explanation of how Pell lived to tell of that incident it cld b one of those things by which a mangaka is credited to having been genious.
My theory on that is bosushoku haki, i know u will say well he never had it and whatnot but well everyone already has haki underlaying in them and all thats needed is awekaning/bring to the surface so to say, so yah a flashback of Pell soaring to the skies thoughts of his life in alabasta and before flashing in his mind to b stopped by the alarming silence that usually comes before a massive explosion, and as that warm light engulfs him his only thought being how he wished he cld spend more time with his pple or how he wishes he cld go on protecting them and well u know he just has his Armament haki birthing incident and thats that a perfect and wonderfull way to turn a seemed like plot hole into something lovable and now that u understand of haki u can comprehend it better than had Oda had Pelljust state "Idont know what happened but an invisible armour sorrounded me, then I cant remember a thing till I woke up just now"((dang it that was supposed not to b beautifull but Iguess its using "invisible armou" and not haki straight forward and thanks to how awesome haki was introduced by Oda)

#Pell the Haki master.