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Who is the man behind the mask


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Re: both are madara

Maybe all this is just a dream.. or a dream within a dream. inceptionnnn. or maybe they're two madara's or maybe 3. cloneceptionnnnn. or maybe this is dragonball z because anything can happen in dragonball z.
 

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Re: To the haters. THEY ARE BOTH MADARA!!!!

Yeah but there is no evidence of Madara knowing splitting, and for edo tensei to work the soul has to have passed, and soul splitting is another jutsu that doesn't exist either as far as we know. This theory has holes
 

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Re: Now that we know the 6th Coffin is Madara...

when Kabuto revealed the 6th coffin to him in chap 490 (i think that was the chapter) even afterwards he still kept calling tobi, madara uchiha....so tobi must be a madara but just a very weak former shell..as many people have already posted.
 

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Re: TOBI IS THE ELDEST SON of the SAGE

Nah...it has to be Izuna. It just has to be. In the flashback when "Tobi" was telling Sasuke about the history of the Uchiha, He got extremely upset when his Uchiha brethren accused him of taking his brother's eyes by force. Ya know, when Senju became Hokage. The sage's son wouldn't have cared that much.
 

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Re: Unbelievable :mad:

Lmao i knew that Tobi guy wasn't Madara Uchiha why all the mystery if you were so powerful plus there was evidence that proves he is not.Tobi could be split of Madara or a idiot Madara should give him aspanking:flaw:xd
 

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Re: slightly important? regarding madara and tobi

A. Itachi had no eye power when he died (all went to Sasuke) then when he's revived he has them again as well as Hidan was missing all his hearts, and now he has them, Edo Tensi is inconsistent, or needs clarification. B. We've seen and know that Izuna is dead. C.If he had eternal and could use it he would have not to mention because he'd be a natural Uchiha he need not cover his face because he could "turn the Sharingan off" at his own will. D. We don't know enough to know that at all one picture of Madara where the wind i blowing? Too little to draw any conclusions.
 

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Re: Unbelievable :mad:

Alot of people thought that it wasn't Madara behind the mask. I've seen multiple threads stating that Madara was the last edo and most of the people agreed. I don't see the big deal. O_O
 

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As I Said (Yes I know who Tobi Is)

I have always known, check my previous post as I hinted at certain things. I don't wish to spoil it for the rest of you guys but as I said, soon you will know the Uzumaki's Secret & also why Nagato could've brought peace to the world ( Yes you will come to find out how strong Nagato really was, if you're too ignorant to understand his strength already )

Also, might I had that Naruto & Tobi are very similar & that Tobi use to be a good guy but became consumed with power ( Kishi hinted at this, when itachi was speaking to Naruto comparing him to Tobi )

Hint ( Not a Spoiler )
Notice the right eye of Uchiha Madara covered ( Missing ? ) & how Tobi's right eye was the only eye to hold the sharingan ( His left eye? Well didn't he give that eye to Itachi? )

:) Ohh yeah & Notice Naruto's hair in the manga becoming similar to Ridoku's ( So Called Horns which is actually his hair )

PS: People are so focused on Tobi,Madara etc and thats cool because it's a big thing! But please don't forget the fact that Kabuto is interested in Ridoku (Sage of the six paths ) and his techniques ( Boy that Orochimaru was ahead of them all ) Well maybe not all of them.. Kabuto will be taken over by Orochimaru's cells soon..

Boy that Nagato was more powerful than all of them (with the exception of Naruto & What Saskue will become )

Arigato!!
 

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Re: solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler

The only question I can ask, is why then did Itachi believe Tobi was in fact Madara? He referred to Madara as the only other Uchiha that obtained MS. So wouldn't that mean that Kagami never achieved it? I guess its possible that Kagami is Tobi and never had the MS himself, but it is all very confusing. I mean Itachi was certain that Tobi was Madara. Perhaps when it comes down to it, Kagami is the current 'Madara' but I'm certain that the original Madara still has a part to play in all this, beyond just being in Kabuto's 6th coffin. Good work though. Now I'm gonna catch up on the other responses on this topic...lol
I was asking myself the same thing about Itachi not knowing that Tobi was not in fact Madara, it seems like something he would notice, but here's the thing he did say that only himself and Madara were the only ones that achieved MS, but that has been shot out of the water, as far as we know the following characters that have achieved MS are:
Madara & Izuna
Itachi & Sasuke
Shisui

And Itachi even talks about Madara and Izuna gaining their MS, so he knew about them both having MS, right there that dis confirms his statement completely already, and not only that but he saw Sishui before his death, and knew about Shisui's MS ability of Koto Amatsukami.

To be completely honest my opinion is that its either Izuna or Kagami, Kagami actually makes sense in the fact that:
-not present at 9-tails attack
-would know where Kushina would have been giving birth
-was directly under the Second Hokage; giving a basis on where to develop his space-time jutsu on
-no one actually knows what happened to him; no confirmed death at the massacre
-someone who already has a connection to Danzo and makes sense why it would continue from that connection already; ie Danzo didn't have to be sought out by Kagami, they were teammates and already knew each other
Izuna:
I like to tease myself with the idea that Itachi/Sasuke is just another version of Madara/Izuna and in actuality events as we know them happened in a different way (much like the Uchiha massacre)
Obviously Madara vs Shodai did in fact happen, but do we know in actuality the whole story behind their squabble based on factual events? Not really, Tobi trying to pretend to be Madara and act like him and tell his version of what happened or how he wants people to see the events to benefit him is very plausible.

For some reason I just don't believe Madara is as evil as he has been made out to be, here you have a man who was trying to stand against the Senju because of how the Senju were in fact treating the Uchiha but it is held against him. To me something seemed fishy with the whole thing from the begining and to be honest I would like to see the side of the Shodai and the Senju we haven't heard about because no one is that perfect, and I mean come on Second Hokage developing a technique that really shouldn't have been researched in the first place? Madara says himself the tech is a complete atrocity against the eb and flow of nature itself, and whom many other character declaring the tech's use to be unforgivable yet the Senju who are so good developed the tech? Yeah ok bud
 
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Tobi is older son of the rikudou sennin

His face looks aged and the reason why he know a lot about Juubi could be because he was the direct son the sage and he could have written the tablets. Also he could have grown black zetsu and white zetsu after observing the fight between the first Hokage and Madara.
 

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Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)

Minato did seal part of himself in naruto, but as we all saw he was not allowed to be summoned with IWR.

Why would Tobi be scared of the sixth coffin if it was himself inside it? Obviously Tobi is not Madara, but he needs everyone to believe he is for his plan...that's the whole reason he was scared.

Your muu example is invalid. His other half is PHYSICALLY sealed inside sand and covered in tags.

We saw him trying to remove the tags and free his other half but he could not. Sealing something inside the death god is a totally different type of seal like Titania sword. Your not even in this world anymore.
Minato wasnt able to be summoned by iwr because his soul is seal in reaper god. But you know for a fact that Minato seal part of himself in naruto before being sealed in reaper god. Madara wasn't sealed in reaper god, and you know that it is possible that Madara could have sealed part of his soul/chakra/will etc in another body prior to dying by Hashirama.

Tobi said that a true winner plans for the future and him having a plan b like sealing his soul in another body would also fit that motto.

We know that Tobi can use inazagi and if Tobi is somehow Madara as he claims to be and all the evidence points to, than inazagi would more than make it possible for Tobi to be Madara while at the same time Madara soul is revived by iwr. Inazagi is another explanation to how Tobi Madara and Edo Madara can co exist

Tobi may have been scared by edo Madara because like Tobi said, he is a shell of his former self. If Tobi is Madara than it's logical he is scared of his past self because his present self is weaker. (mind you Tobi didn't have rinnegan yet when kabuto showed him the 6th coffin so at the time Tobi was stronger than his past self but now with rinnegan Tobi may be stronger than edo Madara)

Also you assume that Tobi was afraid of the 6th coffin. Nothing actually proves that. For all we know Tobi could have been scared by the fact thy kabuto found the body, or scared of being black mailed, or scared of kabutos ability to find not only Madaras body but other strong ninjas as well. Evidence to support that is Tobi not fully trusting kabuto and forcing kabuto to teach him the secrets of iwr.

The Mu example is not invalid and you are wrong about only his physical self being sealed. 1st off that doesn't even make sense because technically Mu is not physically Mu, edo Mu is Mu soul transferred to a live sacrifice. 2nd Mu splits himself and is a perfect clone, not a kage binding or substitute. It would only be logical if his soul was split between the bodies as well. Which concludes to half of Mu being sealed and the other half standing besides edo Madara
 
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Re: Now that we know the 6th Coffin is Madara...

Madara has probably learned the splitting jutsu from Mu and used it on himself thus Tobi was born that would explain why Tobi had the same plans and will of Madara.Tobi was probably surprised at how Kabuchimaru got his hands on Madara's DNA.Tobi was probably planning on Nagato reviving Madara.
 
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