[Question] Oda. Do you think he can keep One Piece on this quality level for another decade?

[abdulmanjoo1]

Yeah Oda Is Boss

 

[hixa kuogame]

@hixa

you are a prime example of a guy who lets the forums get to him. You're that guy that always defends the loser because you feel bad for em.

Stop looking for faults in shows because you are irritated with it getting too much love. Chill.

Damn, are you ever gonna catch on? becuase you're dead wrong.. and random.

Kind of ironic since you failed to understand what's going on in OP. You think that Doffy blocking off Luffy's punches then Luffy busting through the well by using CoA + 3rd gear is a flaw. Remember when you barely even understood how significant Robin's goal is to the overall story? You shouldn't be talking.

Go read my post.. You failed to understand my reasoning as to why it's a flaw, so it's like, double ironic..
I never misunderstood Robin's goal.

 

[Hexuze]

I've seen your posts. You are just way to hyper about the series, it's disturbing. "One Piece>HxH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Naruto"
"Akame ga Kiru! BEST MANGA ON THE PLANET!
One Piece holds dat title doe." Just unnecessary.
There's a lot of other stuff.

One Piece does hold that title from the series I've read/watched. Don't be getting mad when I express my opinion which isn't biased. The excessive ">" signs is for Aqeel96.

You don't even see how that's a flaw. The flaw is that instead of throwing a powerful punch at Doflamingo, like elephant gun, he uses a basic pistol punch that is completely ineffective. It's a writing inconsistency. Why would you not use a stronger and effective technique against the big bad boss when he's right in front of you? Yet he can shoot a huge elephant gun at the ceiling not long after easily. A Naruto fan would pick that out and blow it out of proportion while a One Piece fan wouldn't even identify it.

Go see the original post of yours. You fully made it seem like it was flaw that Doflamingo knocked off his punch, then Luffy busting through the ceiling is a flaw. You never mentioned or tried to imply that it's a flaw/inconsistency that Luffy used a weak punch against Doffy instead of a strong one. Once I proved your original "flaw" wrong, you started to BS and say something else like, "he uses a basic pistol punch that is completely ineffective." Don't BS me, you were trying to conclude to the fact that Doffy blocking Luffy's punch and Luffy breaking through the ceiling is a flaw.

Anyways, you're still wrong. The well is so narrow that throwing a 3rd gear punch in a horizontal direction would be a terrible idea due to all the water, hence why Luffy broke through the ceiling (vertically). They were sitting ducks in that situation, Luffy couldn't get off Ucy cause that would make law vulnerable and using second gear in such a compact place is pretty stupid too. That isn't a writing inconsistency.

I didn't fail, you failed to comprehend...

What? Lol Comprehend what? Your bad post?

I didn't get your rep yet..

How about now?

Go read my post..
I never misunderstood Robin's goal.

That thread is long gone. If I could find it, I've would of posted it here. If I remember correctly you thought FI island arc being useless or nothing impacting the overall story.

 

[Tomato God]

My money is on yo mamma san.

 

[hixa kuogame]

One Piece does hold that title from the series I've read/watched. Don't be getting mad when I express my opinion which isn't biased. The excessive ">" signs is for Aqeel96.

It doesn't matter if it's an opinion, it's unnecessary wank regardless.

Go see the original post of yours. You fully made it seem like it was flaw that Doflamingo knocked off his punch, then Luffy busting through the ceiling is a flaw. You never mentioned or tried to imply that it's a flaw/inconsistency that Luffy used a weak punch against Doffy instead of a strong one. Once I proved your original "flaw" wrong, you started to BS and say something else like, "he uses a basic pistol punch that is completely ineffective." Don't BS me, you were trying to conclude to the fact that Doffy blocking Luffy's punch and Luffy breaking through the ceiling is a flaw.

OK... thanks for proving my point. When the "flaw" is right in front of you, you can't even acknowledge it.
lol I definitely did not think that, so no one is "BS'ing" you because I said the same thing in a post to Alagon.I didn't think I would have needed to make it any more obvious of the flaw I was trying to point out when I said "weak, futile, and ineffective" etc..

Anyways, you're still wrong. The well is so narrow that throwing a 3rd gear punch in a horizontal direction would be a terrible idea due to all the water, hence why Luffy broke through the ceiling (vertically). They were sitting ducks in that situation, Luffy couldn't get off Ucy cause that would make law vulnerable and using second gear in such a compact place is pretty stupid too. That isn't a writing inconsistency.

that doesn't make sense. He still had to stick his arm through the narrow tunnel in order to shoot it skyward. The narrowness of the tunnel would have effected him regardless of the direction. Basic logic proves that. Even still he didn't have to use an elephant gun. He could have used a smaller attack that is would have been more effective or he could he could have just used a smaller elephant gun. At the very least he could have used an armament jet pistol or jet Gatling.
He still did use elephant gun regardless of Ucy and Law.
Personally, I don't give a flying fruit roll up, I'm just looking at it from the perspective of a Naruto fan, which was my original point that Naruto fans are totally contrary and are ever aware of flaws to the point where they only read to search for them. A Naruto fan would be so hard press to label it as bad writing or a writing inconsistency.
Like I said, Naruto has not changed, it's the fans constant negative attitude towards Naruto that impels them to search for flaws and, most of the time, make flaws out of nothing. While One Piece fans are the opposite and pay no attention to hiding flaws.
Do you understand what I'm saying now?

What? Lol Comprehend what? Your bad post?



How about now?

No not yet. Did you spread rep around first??

That thread is long gone. If I could find it, I've would of posted it here. If I remember correctly you thought FI island arc being useless or nothing impacting the overall story.

You misconceive again.. I said go read my post from this thread..

And Fishman Island still does not have strong plot relevance. The void century is still clouded in mystery. I never misunderstood Robin's goals..

 

[MugiwaraBoy]

Well, with the material he still has, like the Yonkos, the WG, Dragon, the final war I think the quality will improve.

Agreed, it's getting better so there is only room for improvement now, the anime just needs to be upgraded immensely.

 

[Hexuze]

It doesn't matter if it's an opinion, it's unnecessary wank regardless.

Wank? How? OP & HxH are much better series than Naruto and I have my reasonings for that. It's not cause I'm biased. You're having unnecessary wank for Naruto & get so defensive when someone brings it up in a "bad" way even if they're right. I.E. "Naruto has many inspirations from HxH". (Don't bring this up here, it's just an example.)

OK... thanks for proving my point. When the "flaw" is right in front of you, you can't even acknowledge it.
lol I definitely did not think that, so no one is "BS'ing" you because I said the same thing in a post to Alagon.I didn't think I would have needed to make it any more obvious of the flaw I was trying to point out when I said "weak, futile, and ineffective" etc..

It's false and I proved it to be wrong on both occasions: 1.) When you thought it was BS that Doffy blocked Luffy's punch, then a few pages through he busted through the ceiling. 2.) Luffy throwing a "weak" punch at Doflamingo when he's right in front of him. It is BS:

When Luffy threw a punch at Doflamingo, it was weak and futile:

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,then, six pages later, he's using elephant gun to bust through the ceiling:

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That looks like you're concluding to the fact that it's a flaw that Luffy's punch got knocked off effortlessly by Doflamingo but Luffy can use an elephant gun to bust through the ceiling. You were being extremely vague, so if "occasion" 1.) fails, you can use "occasion" 2.).

that doesn't make sense. He still had to stick his arm through the narrow tunnel in order to shoot it skyward. The narrowness of the tunnel would have effected him regardless of the direction. Basic logic proves that. Even still he didn't have to use an elephant gun. He could have used a smaller attack that is would have been more effective or he could he could have just used a smaller elephant gun. At the very least he could have used an armament jet pistol or jet Gatling.
He still did use elephant gun regardless of Ucy and Law.

Do you understand what I'm saying now?

I've always understood what you've been saying. You're just desperate to find a flaw to reinforce your point that us OP fans are delusional to the flaws in OP. OFC, you've failed at doing so & you're trying so hard to nitpick the series. Luffy doesn't want to fight in the well, so what purpose is it for him to attack with full-force? Luffy could of also assumed it was a clone and tried to attack it.

Personally, I don't give a flying fruit roll up, I'm just looking at it from the perspective of a Naruto fan, which was my original point that Naruto fans are totally contrary and are ever aware of flaws to the point where they only read to search for them. A Naruto fan would be so hard press to label it as bad writing or a writing inconsistency.
Like I said, Naruto has not changed, it's the fans constant negative attitude towards Naruto that impels them to search for flaws and, most of the time, make flaws out of nothing. While One Piece fans are the opposite and pay no attention to hiding flaws.

The flaws in OP don't impact the plot heavily, the ones in Naruto. Obviously flaws that are detrimental to the plot will provoke more discussions that ones that aren't going to impact the plot that much. Naruto has had a negative attitude because the quality has declined. How do you know that OP fans don't think there's flaws in OP? Everyone knows that OP isn't perfect, however it is close to perfection. There aren't flaws that negatively impact the plot/story, they are just subjective complaints and usually having reasoning behind them. I'll give you an example since you're so thirsty to find a "flaw" in One Piece.... I find it sometimes annoying that fights with Fujitora are off-panel but at the flip-side, you can potentially argue that Oda doesn't want to show the fight fully to keep the full extent of the Fujitora's abilities a "mystery" or he may want a worthy opponent for Fuji. so he can show his abilities then.

You misconceive again.. I said go read my post from this thread..

And Fishman Island still does not have strong plot relevance. The void century is still clouded in mystery. I never misunderstood Robin's goals..

Yeah now it's apparent that you're referring to this thread AFTER you edited your post. Being vague as usual. So Shirahoshi being Poseidon, Robin finding a poneglyh, Luffy causing problems with Big Mom cause no strong plot relevance, huh? Luffy claiming FI as his island doesn't mean anything too I guess. :/

 

[hixa kuogame]

Wank? How? OP & HxH are much better series than Naruto and I have my reasonings for that. It's not cause I'm biased. You're having unnecessary wank for Naruto & get so defensive when someone brings it up in a "bad" way even if they're right. I.E. "Naruto has many inspirations from HxH". (Don't bring this up here, it's just an example.)



It's false and I proved it to be wrong on both occasions: 1.) When you thought it was BS that Doffy blocked Luffy's punch, then a few pages through he busted through the ceiling. 2.) Luffy throwing a "weak" punch at Doflamingo when he's right in front of him. It is BS:



That looks like you're concluding to the fact that it's a flaw that Luffy's punch got knocked off effortlessly by Doflamingo but Luffy can use an elephant gun to bust through the ceiling. You were being extremely vague, so if "occasion" 1.) fails, you can use "occasion" 2.).



I've always understood what you've been saying. You're just desperate to find a flaw to reinforce your point that us OP fans are delusional to the flaws in OP. OFC, you've failed at doing so & you're trying so hard to nitpick the series. Luffy doesn't want to fight in the well, so what purpose is it for him to attack with full-force? Luffy could of also assumed it was a clone and tried to attack it.





The flaws in OP don't impact the plot heavily, the ones in Naruto. Obviously flaws that are detrimental to the plot will provoke more discussions that ones that aren't going to impact the plot that much. Naruto has had a negative attitude because the quality has declined. How do you know that OP fans don't think there's flaws in OP? Everyone knows that OP isn't perfect, however it is close to perfection. There aren't flaws that negatively impact the plot/story, they are just subjective complaints and usually having reasoning behind them. I'll give you an example since you're so thirsty to find a "flaw" in One Piece.... I find it sometimes annoying that fights with Fujitora are off-panel but at the flip-side, you can potentially argue that Oda doesn't want to show the fight fully to keep the full extent of the Fujitora's abilities a "mystery" or he may want a worthy opponent for Fuji. so he can show his abilities then.




Yeah now it's apparent that you're referring to this thread AFTER you edited your post. Being vague as usual. So Shirahoshi being Poseidon, Robin finding a poneglyh, Luffy causing problems with Big Mom cause no strong plot relevance, huh? Luffy claiming FI as his island doesn't mean anything too I guess. :/

Dude, stop assuming all this stuff. I'm not being vague and the only edits I made were grammatical changes. There was no occasion 1. I never even considered that a flaw, but then again, a Naruto fan would be quick to say that Luffy was nerfed so either occasion could be considered a flaw.
"desperate to find a flaw to reinforce your point that us OP fans are delusional to the flaws in OP"
Another wild assumption. I'm not desperate for any flaw findings. Like I said, I'm only behaving the same way a typical Naruto fan would. As you can see, I'm being totally irrational and contrary.
And even still you're putting up a poor argument. "Luffy just doesn't want to fight in the cave""he shouldn't have to attack full force" that's a poor argument because that is not explicitly stated in the manga that Luffy did not want to fight. There's no real reason as to why Luffy didn't use a stronger attack other than "plot no jutsu".
Like I said, I don't care about petty flaws, but a typical Naruto fan would make a big deal out of it and a One Piece fan wouldn't even notice it, like yourself.

Just because you think there aren't flaws that impact the plot heavily doesn't mean there aren't any. Like I said, you don't look at the series as critically as you do with Naruto so of course you'd find less flaws.
Fujitora not showing his ability is not a flaw, it's obviously buildup. Now look who's the desperate one..

No one is being vague. When I said "go read my post" I was redundantly talking about the one in this thread because I continued to reply to your statement in the quote then after said I was aware of Robin's goal. I don't think like you. I don't plot out fail safes just so I can conveniently work them into my argument so drop the whole vague thing. That's not typical of me at all.

Shirahoshi being Poseidon, Robin finding a poneglyh, Luffy causing problems with Big Mom and Luffy claiming FI as his island is plot relevant, but 90% of that arc was none of those things, therefore, the arc as a whole carries very little plot relevance like most of the One Piece arcs.

 

[David1996]

How is HxH better than Naruto !? 80% of current fanbase didn't even watch/read the series before 2011.

The manga of the decade is either Naruto or OP (I'd go with Naruto due to it's popularity).
HxH isn't on that level yet. It needs couple of more awesome arcs to get there.

 

[Hexuze]

Dude, stop assuming all this stuff. I'm not being vague and the only edits I made were grammatical changes. There was no occasion 1. I never even considered that a flaw, but then again, a Naruto fan would be quick to say that Luffy was nerfed so either occasion could be considered a flaw.
"desperate to find a flaw to reinforce your point that us OP fans are delusional to the flaws in OP"
Another wild assumption. I'm not desperate for any flaw findings. Like I said, I'm only behaving the same way a typical Naruto fan would. As you can see, I'm being totally irrational and contrary.
And even still you're putting up a poor argument. "Luffy just doesn't want to fight in the cave""he shouldn't have to attack full force" that's a poor argument because that is not explicitly stated in the manga that Luffy did not want to fight. There's no real reason as to why Luffy didn't use a stronger attack other than "plot no jutsu".
Like I said, I don't care about petty flaws, but a typical Naruto fan would make a big deal out of it and a One Piece fan wouldn't even notice it, like yourself.

Just because you think there aren't flaws that impact the plot heavily doesn't mean there aren't any. Like I said, you don't look at the series as critically as you do with Naruto so of course you'd find less flaws.
Fujitora not showing his ability is not a flaw, it's obviously buildup. Now look who's the desperate one..

No one is being vague. When I said "go read my post" I was redundantly talking about the one in this thread because I continued to reply to your statement in the quote then after said I was aware of Robin's goal. I don't think like you. I don't plot out fail safes just so I can conveniently work them into my argument so drop the whole vague thing. That's not typical of me at all.

Shirahoshi being Poseidon, Robin finding a poneglyh, Luffy causing problems with Big Mom and Luffy claiming FI as his island is plot relevant, but 90% of that arc was none of those things, therefore, the arc as a whole carries very little plot relevance like most of the One Piece arcs.

You are being vague and you're always in denial. "I'm only behaving the same way a typical Naruto fan would." What's the purpose in doing that? You're just trying your best to find flaws, it's already apparent...

Luffy does want to fight Doflamingo, it's just that he didn't want to fight him in that well. Why would Luffy fight someone where he has a huge disadvantage in? Luffy already knows about Doffy's clones so his first instinct was to see if it was a clone or not. Luffy's jet pistol isn't weak either. I've said this before and I'll say it again, I doubt you read OP or let alone understand what's going on. If OP is so much of an issue for you why continue reading it?

Do you mind telling me some? There aren't flaws that heavily impact the story/plot, note that I said heavily. I never said that there's none. How am I being desperate? Are you illiterate? I've meant it as a personal issue, hence the quotations but if you can read (which I'm starting to doubt if you can) I've stated the potential reasoning why Oda does it & why it makes sense.

I don't know... I've noticed that you've used to pull fail safes before in our VM discussions and in other threads. Why do you think I always mentioned the fact if you can read or not?

We've got backstories of fisher-tiger, more insight on why fishmen hate humans so much (which was probably on some people's minds during Nami's flashback), caribou knowing about Shirahoshi being poseidon, shyarly predicting that Luffy will destroy FI, introduction to koala, learned about what happened during the TS like BB going DF-hunting, Aokiji leaving the marines, etc. etc. etc. Even though I proved you wrong right now, let's just say for argument sake that you're correct (which obviously you're not).... How do you know that this arc isn't plot relevant for the future & when it's the first arc from the TS? It's way too early to judge by OP standards.

 

[Avani 👑]

Do you think Oda can keep OP as good as it is for another 10+ years?

just look what happened to Naruto and how it went to the dogs because its been to dragged by the mangaka, same goes for DBZ

Yes he can, there are a few big differences between One Piece and Naruto/DB

once Kishimoto ran out of elements to (ekhm) borrow from Togashi Naruto became less focused on set-up, he managed OK until the Pain arc but after he started to just pull stuff out of his a?? (like Kaguya), the one thing Naruto still has is Naruto v Sasuke so Kishi should stop f????g around and fix his manga

Toriyama also had absolutely no idea how to proceed since he wanted to end DB so he made up stuff as he went

on the other hand at this point One Piece has enough material for another decade of story telling even if OP was't initially planed to last this long, major plot-lines that were here for volumes:
- the Yonko (introduced in volume 45, of that Shanks in chapter 1 and BB in volume (I think) 34)
- Dragon and the revs (chapter 100)
- the Marines (introduced all throughout the series)
- the WG
- there's also the ancient weapons (Alabasta)
- the Final war
- Mihawk

and a LOT more story-lines that can easily fill 400 chapters without any a??pulls, even more these are the stories we all want, the most epic of the bunch, the best of OP is still to come

PS: don't let anyone ever tell you that set up is bad, for the story it's much better than action

PPS if anyone can manage a story like this it's Oda and Togashi, they are the geniuses (among some others) of this generation, just ask Tsugumi Ohba/Takeshi Obata if you don't believe me

This is not the first time I noticed it but why do you post a question using one alt and then reply using another? We will accept your views just as much if you posted them in OP itself. And wasn't this thread suppose to be about OP?

If you are talking about Kishi picking stuff from hunter VS hunter , I didn't see many similarities beyond the set up of chunin excams. And the nen. But concept of nen is derived from the concept of Chakra- that's the word directly from Sanskrit. So neither can claim it as original. Buddhism itself cannot claim it as an original concept since they picked it from Hinduism.

Hunter VS hunter also way behind Naruto in publication and is often on long hiatus. Earlier Kurapika said Kurata clan's eye turn red when they die. After chimera arc we learned a lot more about how emotions can make them red and the hate for the clan part but have you checked the date of release of that chapter? I think it was around 2012. Naruto's plot line had advance much beyond already. And yet you guys never check which series and chapters came first. Don't tell me that chunnin exam set up is all that was to Naruto's plot. Naruto is not Gon. Kurapika is not Sasuke. I like Kurapika but so far he hasn't have to deal with opposing loyalties all that much either. And no Itachi is nothing like Illumi even by far.

Hunter VS Hiunter fans seem to be hurting over the success of Naruto. Don't. That author is taking his time and doing it really slow. Good for him if he has that freedom. Many were bashing Kishi for break on his father's death even.

The plot line of Naruto differs from these two series. Both of these action-adventure mangas and driven by character oriented plot. They have really lose plot with no strict verse or restriction on the part of the writer how to proceed because they didn't set any. They needed that freedom to keep making things up.

I get it that OP fans would like Hunter VS hunter because both are similar in more than one way- Both have many different characters aspiring for their own goals individually and it narrates their heroic tales. The individual arcs have a plot and they may connect in a way in the long run but all that's not what it is about currently. I get the same feel as OP when I read it rather than Naruto. Despite the nen concept.

Naruto in contrast is a plot driven story of one guy called Naruto. It is his story. The other characters are relevant only as long as they are also part of his tale. Secondly the manga uses war and back drop of shinobi world but actually focuses on causalities of the war rather than the war itself, and even more on the conflicted characters in it. The ones with ambiguous morals where things cannot be always put in white and black. The focus is on them. So the treatment of the manga cannot be the same or compared on those lines.

In the end it all depends what you are looking for in a manga. If you are seeking mangas with fight scenes and just like a game where you do have a plot( getting to a treasure island/solving a mystery) and aim in the end but have to cross the levels of increasing difficulty in between then Hunter Vs Hunter and OP is for you. If you like action but want to read a story then it's Naruto for you. That really comes down to personal choices.

If we talk in objective terms what characters and plot do for the manga-

Did Kishi really fail that much as some claim? I don't think so. For there are things I may want from his story, but he may want them differently and it's his story to tell. So the complaints of that kind about some character not getting enough footage or blowing up minor retcons out of proportion is just being whiners.

Now the question comes -Was Kishi able to keep all the readers engaged till the end?- he definitely couldn't keep up with the tempo till then end. Many feel that clever ninja feel from the beginning was lost. I agree somewhat but keeping up with it for more than 10 years is not that easy. Recent chapters brought some of it back with Naruto replying on distractions to fight a stronger opponent. There are still things which we hope could be better but either Kishi doesn't have time enough to work on it or is just tired. We can only hope that he is able to go out with a bang. Either way- Let's give the man a break - he entertained us long enough to earn it.


Will OP fair better on that count? Probably. For two things- Oda has got a sense of humour and is creative along with having a clever sense of fan service. He also have an advantage of not having the rigid plot which he must end in a certain way. A lose and flexible plot combined with creative mind certainly is an advantage. He added up brother of Luffy to OP all of a sudden and managed to make the most popular arc of OP so far.

But then I am not that impressed with the current arc. It's not bad - just not as exciting as the previous one and basic idea is a re run of Alabasta arc. Of course the fights are on another level- I am talking about the basic concept.

So will he be able to able to keep the same enthusiasm for next 10 years? We will see. Let's hope for the best but arguing over it is rather meaningless. We cannot predict the future and we will ruin the present.

 

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This is not the first time I noticed it but why do you post a question using one alt and then reply using another? We will accept your views just as much if you posted them in OP itself. And wasn't this thread suppose to be about OP?

If you are talking about Kishi picking stuff from hunter VS hunter , I didn't see many similarities beyond the set up of chunin excams. And the nen. But concept of nen is derived from the concept of Chakra- that's the word directly from Sanskrit. So neither can claim it as original. Buddhism itself cannot claim it as an original concept since they picked it from Hinduism.

Hunter VS hunter also way behind Naruto in publication and is often on long hiatus. Earlier Kurapika said Kurata clan's eye turn red when they die. After chimera arc we learned a lot more about how emotions can make them red and the hate for the clan part but have you checked the date of release of that chapter? I think it was around 2012. Naruto's plot line had advance much beyond already. And yet you guys never check which series and chapters came first. Don't tell me that chunnin exam set up is all that was to Naruto's plot. Naruto is not Gon. Kurapika is not Sasuke. I like Kurapika but so far he hasn't have to deal with opposing loyalties all that much either. And no Itachi is nothing like Illumi even by far.

Hunter VS Hiunter fans seem to be hurting over the success of Naruto. Really the plot line of Naruto differs from these two series. Both of these are action-adventure mangas and driven by character oriented plot. They have really lose plot with no strict plot or restriction on the part of the writer how to proceed because they didn't set any. They needed that freedom to keep making things up.

I get it that OP fans would like Hunter VS hunter because both are similar in more than one way- Both have many different characters aspiring for their own goals individually and it narrates their heroic tales. The individual arcs have a plot and they may connect in a way in the long run but all that's not what it is about currently. I get the same feel as OP when I read it rather than Naruto. Despite the nen concept.

Naruto in contrast is a plot driven story of one guy called Naruto. It is his story. The other characters are relevant only as long as they are also part of his tale. Secondly the manga uses war and back drop of shinobi world but actually focuses on causalities of the war rather than the war itself, and even more on the conflicted characters in it. The ones with ambiguous morals where things cannot be always put in white and black. The focus is on them. So the treatment of the manga cannot be the same or compared on those lines.

In the end it all depends what you are looking for in a manga. If you are seeking mangas with fight scenes and just like a game where you do have a plot( getting to a treasure island/solving a mystery) and aim in the end but have to cross the levels of increasing difficulty in between then Hunter Vs Hunter and OP is for you. If you like action but want to read a story then it's Naruto for you.
That really comes down to personal choices.

Did Kishi really fail that much as some claim? I don't think so. For there are things I may want from his story, but he may want them differently and it's his story to tell. So the complaints of that kind about some character not getting enough footage or blowing up minor retcons out of proportion is just being whiners.

Now the question comes Was Kishi able to keep all the readers engaged till the end- he definitely couldn't keep up with the tempo till then end. Many feel that clever ninja feel from the beginning was lost but keeping up with it for more than 10 years is not that easy. Recent chapters brought some of it back with Naruto replying on distractions to fight a stronger opponent. There are still things which we hope could be better but either Kishi doesn't have time enough to work on it or is just tired. We can only hope that he is able to go out with a bang. Either way- Let's give the man a break - he entertained us long enough to earn it.


Will OP fair better on that count? Probably. For two things- Oda has got a sense of humour and is creative along with having a clever sense of fan service. He also have an advantage of not having the rigid plot which he must end in a certain way. A lose and flexible plot combined with creative mind certainly is an advantage. He added up brother of Luffy to OP all of a sudden and managed to make the most popular arc of OP so far.

But then I am not that impressed with the current arc. It's not bad - just not as exciting as the previous one and basic idea is a re run of Alabasta arc. Of course the fights are on another level- I am talking about the basic concept.

So will he be able to able to keep the same enthusiasm for next 10 years? We will see. Let's hope for the best but arguing over it is rather meaningless. We cannot predict the future and we will ruin the present.

There's a lot of similarities, but I don't think it's fair to call it the same as Alabasta. There are ton of different plot points to Alabasta and Dressrosa and tell very different stories.

 

[Avani 👑]

There's a lot of similarities, but I don't think it's fair to call it the same as Alabasta. There are ton of different plot points to Alabasta and Dressrosa and tell very different stories.

Read what I said again.

But then I am not that impressed with the current arc. It's not bad - just not as exciting as the previous one and basic idea is a re run of Alabasta arc. Of course the fights are on another level- I am talking about the basic concept.

Also - Naruto has even less number of similarity with hunter V hunter even if we compare both as a series and yet this thread itself tried to imply there were more and you reply just this part?

 

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Read what I said again.



Also - Naruto has even less number of similarity with hunter V hunter even if we compare both as a series and yet this thread itself tried to imply there were more and you reply just this part?

I'd rather not comment on the part about the manga I have never read, thank you very much.

 

[Avani 👑]

I'd rather not comment on the part about the manga I have never read, thank you very much.

Understandable and I agree. Please give the same courtesy to the post which you didn't read properly as well. Thank you.

 

[Cruciatus]

Understandable and I agree. Please give the same courtesy to the post which you didn't read properly as well. Thank you.

I did read it. Once again, while I think they have similarities, I don't think the basic plots are the exact same as you reply. The basic plot of Alabasta: Stop a criminal/Shichibukai and his group who terrorize a nation and plot to take over.

Basic plot of Dressrosa: Overthrow the corrupt King, reclaim Ace's power, destroy the factory to ensure a Yonko's wrath on the King, escape the clasp of another Yonko, free the transformed people, reestablish the former and better monarchy, avoid the people after their heads because of the king.

The only actually similarities are the Shichibukai, monarchy, and helping someone in the line of the monarchy, and Luffy's brother showing up. Otherwise, they're there for very different reasons.

I only replied to that part of your post because that was the only part that interested me.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

I'm stupid, but you STILL have not comprehended my internal point. Like I said, There has not been a decline in Naruto in any sense. Your belief and reasoning in that ideal is evident to the point I presented, the one that you did not comprehend. Go back and reread, then go back to grade school and study grammar and comprehension, because, until then, you have no right to call anyone "stupid" based on your shitty display of intellect.

Your Internal point means nothing, its only speculation on your part, There is no decline in Naruto ? well that's your opinion. and why would i want to hear that ? my believe and reasoning is based on fact and what happened with One Piece, while yours is based on Naruto shitty development and your jealousy toward One Piece that has been running strong for years,

am actually glad that you mention things like grammar etc, Criticizing someone's grammar etc on the internet is the last refuge of someone who doesn't have an argument.

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Off topic : I seriously don't get why people are saying that Naruto is copying HXH, there is only a year gap between Naruto and HXH serialization in WSJ.

 

[Olorin]

This is not the first time I noticed it but why do you post a question using one alt and then reply using another? We will accept your views just as much if you posted them in OP itself. And wasn't this thread suppose to be about OP?

because a lot of times I post stupid questions that it's amusing to hear the answers to or simply ask questions I want to answer but were asked too long ago so I simply ask them again, it's like an additional channel for a YTer where you post unimportant stuff (check the threads)

If you are talking about Kishi picking stuff from hunter VS hunter , I didn't see many similarities beyond the set up of chunin excams. And the nen. But concept of nen is derived from the concept of Chakra- that's the word directly from Sanskrit. So neither can claim it as original. Buddhism itself cannot claim it as an original concept since they picked it from Hinduism.

1. the exams
2. sasuke and his slaughtered clan, his revenge and sharingan
3. Chakra and Nen, yes the concept of aura is common in manga but there are a few extra similarities in HxH and Naruto, like how to test your affinity with a piece of paper, the diagram

but I have also said that Kishi's best arcs (imo) are original and deserve a place among the manga greats, but it's undeniable that Kishi borrowed some key elements for his manga from Togashi though I have always refrained from using the word rip-off

Hunter VS hunter also way behind Naruto in publication and is often on long hiatus. Earlier Kurapika said Kurata clan's eye turn red when they die. After chimera arc we learned a lot more about how emotions can make them red and the hate for the clan part but have you checked the date of release of that chapter? I think it was around 2012. Naruto's plot line had advance much beyond already. And yet you guys never check which series and chapters came first. Don't tell me that chunnin exam set up is all that was to Naruto's plot. Naruto is not Gon. Kurapika is not Sasuke. I like Kurapika but so far he hasn't have to deal with opposing loyalties all that much either. And no Itachi is nothing like Illumi even by far.

we learned before that Kurapika's eyes turn red when he was distressed and we also find out they make him a specialist which would be categorized as additional power, very early in HxH. I never said the Chuunin's exam was all that was set up for Naruto's plot. Kishi set up a lot of things: Orochimaru, Akatsuki, the 9 tails and later the bijuu, ... he also set up some stuff he now for some reason refuses to use like every character beside the main casr. Most of it fell flat after the Pain arc, now he was left with Tobi and the newly mutated Kabuto so we got the resurrection of old dead characters that we already saw fight and die (most of them), and than Madara turned out to be Obito and than a year later he officially turned out to be Obito and than you get the Rin saga, ... not enough was foreshadowed, set up, ... for this war arc for it to last this long and now we get Kaguya introduced as the (for now) main villain in the last 30 or so chapters and Madara, first Obito was disposed and Madara appeared and than Madara was disposed for kaguya to appear (basically 2 years wasted), we get the ''big'' villain with the Bijuu Obito and BAM here comes Madara who is uber OP and BAM he get's the bijuu and BAM he transforms but tham BAM again and we get Kaguya who disposes of 2 years of naruto manga by stabbing it from behind (well technically it was Zetsu)

but Kishi still has 1 plot he set up, perhaps the most important one, he still has Naruto v Sasuke and I hope to god he does it well

and no naruto is not Gon I don't think anyone ever said that, and Illumi is not like Itachi no but Sasuke has many similarities to Killua and Kurapika

Hunter VS Hiunter fans seem to be hurting over the success of Naruto. Don't. That author is taking his time and doing it really slow. Good for him if he has that freedom. Many were bashing Kishi for break on his father's death even.

I have never bashed a mangaka for having a break or hiatus. I'm not hurting over anyones success, my fav manga is OP so that would just look silly

The plot line of Naruto differs from these two series. Both of these action-adventure mangas and driven by character oriented plot. They have really lose plot with no strict verse or restriction on the part of the writer how to proceed because they didn't set any. They needed that freedom to keep making things up.

I get it that OP fans would like Hunter VS hunter because both are similar in more than one way- Both have many different characters aspiring for their own goals individually and it narrates their heroic tales. The individual arcs have a plot and they may connect in a way in the long run but all that's not what it is about currently. I get the same feel as OP when I read it rather than Naruto. Despite the nen concept.

Naruto in contrast is a plot driven story of one guy called Naruto. It is his story. The other characters are relevant only as long as they are also part of his tale. Secondly the manga uses war and back drop of shinobi world but actually focuses on causalities of the war rather than the war itself, and even more on the conflicted characters in it. The ones with ambiguous morals where things cannot be always put in white and black. The focus is on them. So the treatment of the manga cannot be the same or compared on those lines.

In the end it all depends what you are looking for in a manga. If you are seeking mangas with fight scenes and just like a game where you do have a plot( getting to a treasure island/solving a mystery) and aim in the end but have to cross the levels of increasing difficulty in between then Hunter Vs Hunter and OP is for you. If you like action but want to read a story then it's Naruto for you. That really comes down to personal choices.

If we talk in objective terms what characters and plot do for the manga-

Did Kishi really fail that much as some claim? I don't think so. For there are things I may want from his story, but he may want them differently and it's his story to tell. So the complaints of that kind about some character not getting enough footage or blowing up minor retcons out of proportion is just being whiners.

Now the question comes -Was Kishi able to keep all the readers engaged till the end?- he definitely couldn't keep up with the tempo till then end. Many feel that clever ninja feel from the beginning was lost. I agree somewhat but keeping up with it for more than 10 years is not that easy. Recent chapters brought some of it back with Naruto replying on distractions to fight a stronger opponent. There are still things which we hope could be better but either Kishi doesn't have time enough to work on it or is just tired. We can only hope that he is able to go out with a bang. Either way- Let's give the man a break - he entertained us long enough to earn it.


Will OP fair better on that count? Probably. For two things- Oda has got a sense of humour and is creative along with having a clever sense of fan service. He also have an advantage of not having the rigid plot which he must end in a certain way. A lose and flexible plot combined with creative mind certainly is an advantage. He added up brother of Luffy to OP all of a sudden and managed to make the most popular arc of OP so far.

But then I am not that impressed with the current arc. It's not bad - just not as exciting as the previous one and basic idea is a re run of Alabasta arc. Of course the fights are on another level- I am talking about the basic concept.

So will he be able to able to keep the same enthusiasm for next 10 years? We will see. Let's hope for the best but arguing over it is rather meaningless. We cannot predict the future and we will ruin the present.

nothing to add here, mostly just routine self evident stuff I more ot less agree with but I disagree with the bold: most ppl would say that for story/plot OP>Naruto but for action Naruto>OP, Naruto focuses on one character and those close to him, it is plot driven but puts much more emphasis on action and fights, OP focuses more on the story of their journey andhow the sub-plots wave into the main overall story of OP

as for Ksihi and the war arc, I actually liked the majority of it though I still think it's a step down from some earlier arcs but some events just pushed me over the edge, Obito for example, or Kaguya, the broken power scaling, power-ups and the reincarnations combine it with some of the war's earlier blunders like excluding too many side characters, all the edo tenseis, Kin Gin and it all just became too much

But I hope that Kishi can deliver that final Sasuke and Naruto arc that we have been waiting for because despite my, for lack of a better word, dislike of the last 3 years of Naruto it is still one of my fav mangas overall and I have been a fan of it for almost 9 years, the only manga/anime I have been following for longer than Naruto is OP

oh god this was hard to do on a phone :|

 

[David1996]

This is not the first time I noticed it but why do you post a question using one alt and then reply using another? We will accept your views just as much if you posted them in OP itself. And wasn't this thread suppose to be about OP?

If you are talking about Kishi picking stuff from hunter VS hunter , I didn't see many similarities beyond the set up of chunin excams. And the nen. But concept of nen is derived from the concept of Chakra- that's the word directly from Sanskrit. So neither can claim it as original. Buddhism itself cannot claim it as an original concept since they picked it from Hinduism.

Hunter VS hunter also way behind Naruto in publication and is often on long hiatus. Earlier Kurapika said Kurata clan's eye turn red when they die. After chimera arc we learned a lot more about how emotions can make them red and the hate for the clan part but have you checked the date of release of that chapter? I think it was around 2012. Naruto's plot line had advance much beyond already. And yet you guys never check which series and chapters came first. Don't tell me that chunnin exam set up is all that was to Naruto's plot. Naruto is not Gon. Kurapika is not Sasuke. I like Kurapika but so far he hasn't have to deal with opposing loyalties all that much either. And no Itachi is nothing like Illumi even by far.

Hunter VS Hiunter fans seem to be hurting over the success of Naruto. Don't. That author is taking his time and doing it really slow. Good for him if he has that freedom. Many were bashing Kishi for break on his father's death even.

The plot line of Naruto differs from these two series. Both of these action-adventure mangas and driven by character oriented plot. They have really lose plot with no strict verse or restriction on the part of the writer how to proceed because they didn't set any. They needed that freedom to keep making things up.

I get it that OP fans would like Hunter VS hunter because both are similar in more than one way- Both have many different characters aspiring for their own goals individually and it narrates their heroic tales. The individual arcs have a plot and they may connect in a way in the long run but all that's not what it is about currently. I get the same feel as OP when I read it rather than Naruto. Despite the nen concept.

Naruto in contrast is a plot driven story of one guy called Naruto. It is his story. The other characters are relevant only as long as they are also part of his tale. Secondly the manga uses war and back drop of shinobi world but actually focuses on causalities of the war rather than the war itself, and even more on the conflicted characters in it. The ones with ambiguous morals where things cannot be always put in white and black. The focus is on them. So the treatment of the manga cannot be the same or compared on those lines.

In the end it all depends what you are looking for in a manga. If you are seeking mangas with fight scenes and just like a game where you do have a plot( getting to a treasure island/solving a mystery) and aim in the end but have to cross the levels of increasing difficulty in between then Hunter Vs Hunter and OP is for you. If you like action but want to read a story then it's Naruto for you. That really comes down to personal choices.

If we talk in objective terms what characters and plot do for the manga-

Did Kishi really fail that much as some claim? I don't think so. For there are things I may want from his story, but he may want them differently and it's his story to tell. So the complaints of that kind about some character not getting enough footage or blowing up minor retcons out of proportion is just being whiners.

Now the question comes -Was Kishi able to keep all the readers engaged till the end?- he definitely couldn't keep up with the tempo till then end. Many feel that clever ninja feel from the beginning was lost. I agree somewhat but keeping up with it for more than 10 years is not that easy. Recent chapters brought some of it back with Naruto replying on distractions to fight a stronger opponent. There are still things which we hope could be better but either Kishi doesn't have time enough to work on it or is just tired. We can only hope that he is able to go out with a bang. Either way- Let's give the man a break - he entertained us long enough to earn it.


Will OP fair better on that count? Probably. For two things- Oda has got a sense of humour and is creative along with having a clever sense of fan service. He also have an advantage of not having the rigid plot which he must end in a certain way. A lose and flexible plot combined with creative mind certainly is an advantage. He added up brother of Luffy to OP all of a sudden and managed to make the most popular arc of OP so far.

But then I am not that impressed with the current arc. It's not bad - just not as exciting as the previous one and basic idea is a re run of Alabasta arc. Of course the fights are on another level- I am talking about the basic concept.

So will he be able to able to keep the same enthusiasm for next 10 years? We will see. Let's hope for the best but arguing over it is rather meaningless. We cannot predict the future and we will ruin the present.

Beautiful.

 

[hixa kuogame]

You are being vague and you're always in denial. "I'm only behaving the same way a typical Naruto fan would." What's the purpose in doing that? You're just trying your best to find flaws, it's already apparent...

No I'm not in denial. I'm never vague in all the other arguments we've been in and I never will be. Why are you all of a suddenly claiming that I vague? You were the one who failed to perceive the OBVIOUS implications. All these wild assumptions are unnecessary and inaccurate. You remind me of welfin from Hunter x Hunter becuase you're overthinking my actions like that.
My ENTIRE point revolves around the difference between Naruto fans and One Piece fans and their point of view.
I'm doing all this to show you that there has been no quality drop in Naruto. It's the fans only, and the internet fans at that. People that I know in real life that read a variety of manga including Naruto don't see any drop in quality. It's a mainstream internet ideal. If this was universal opinion on Naruto, then it would obviously be reflected in the sales. Naruto sales have remained steady for years and has been at the top of North american sales since day one.

Luffy does want to fight Doflamingo, it's just that he didn't want to fight him in that well. Why would Luffy fight someone where he has a huge disadvantage in? Luffy already knows about Doffy's clones so his first instinct was to see if it was a clone or not. Luffy's jet pistol isn't weak either. I've said this before and I'll say it again, I doubt you read OP or let alone understand what's going on. If OP is so much of an issue for you why continue reading it?

Where in the manga does it ever say that Luffy doesn't want to fight him in the well? Where does it say that Luffy was trying to figure out whether or not it was a clone? That's stupid anyway. What if it WAS the actual Doflamingo? He could have done serious damage. Why would you blow the chance to get the guy you want most just to see if it was a clone or not? Better safe than sorry. Either way, Luffy isn't smart. He would never rationalize like that. For Luffy to go around saying he was going to kick Doffy's ass as much as he did and then provide a poor effort at doing it is out of his character. It was "plot no jutsu" and a writing inconsistency. jet pistol is not weak but it's the most basic of all his attacks and an attack that would have been more effective. The least he could have done was equip armament haki or used jet gatling. The more you try and explain why it isn't i see it more and more as a flaw.
More assumptions? I read One Piece every week it comes out. I like the series. I've got no problem with it at all. I don't even see that writing inconsistency as a flaw, personally.

Do you mind telling me some? There aren't flaws that heavily impact the story/plot, note that I said heavily. I never said that there's none. How am I being desperate? Are you illiterate? I've meant it as a personal issue, hence the quotations but if you can read (which I'm starting to doubt if you can) I've stated the potential reasoning why Oda does it & why it makes sense.

I actually can't name anything major off the top of my head, but then again I can't for Naruto either,.... but they're there, major or minor.

I don't know... I've noticed that you've used to pull fail safes before in our VM discussions and in other threads. Why do you think I always mentioned the fact if you can read or not?

I've never needed fail safes. if i'm wrong then I'm wrong. If I did, then I did it purposely because I wanted to trap you in your ideal contradictions.
Why are you the one questioning if I can read or write, but your grammar and sentence structure is third grade level?
"Why do you think I always mentioned the fact if you can read or not? "

What does that even mean? lol

We've got backstories of fisher-tiger, more insight on why fishmen hate humans so much (which was probably on some people's minds during Nami's flashback),

How does knowing this affect the major plot? How does this affect anything in the Alabast arc, Skypiea arc, Thriller Bark arc, Punk Hazard, arc or the Dressrosa?
If it doesn't have strong relevance in the overall story, then it's not plot relevant..

caribou knowing about Shirahoshi being poseidon, shyarly predicting that Luffy will destroy FI, introduction to koala, learned about what happened during the TS like BB going DF-hunting, Aokiji leaving the marines, etc. etc. etc. Even though I proved you wrong right now, let's just say for argument sake that you're correct (which obviously you're not).... How do you know that this arc isn't plot relevant for the future & when it's the first arc from the TS? It's way too early to judge by OP standards.

You didn't even respond to what I said. None of that was the majority of the arc. 90% of the arc was saving Shirahoshi, protecting Shirahoshi, saving Fishman Island, beating Hody Jones, and more saving Fishman Island.
Most likely, it will actually be important later on, but right now, it's random filler so...