Obto vs Yata Mirror?

[Prince Charles]

I guess it depends on your definition of "defended". Deidara was able to move his body out of the "wormhole" and restrict it to only his arm being hit, where as the databook stated that nothing can resist being pulled in. It was defended in the sense that it didn't hit what Kakashi was aiming at, and Deidara was able to move out of the way. It was originally aimed at Deidara's chest/heart. It ended up taking his arm. If Deidara were faster, it wouldn't have hurt him period.

That was an "imperfect" version of kamui as Kakashi has improved it..but that databook was released shortly after the fight with Deidara, and prior to any other kamui feat.

Wrong. Kakashi clearly saids he couldnt properly control the location and size of kamui.[

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Every Jutsu has a weakness. Yata Mirror isn't a jutsu, its a spiritual weapon. And it has a weakness, Yata Mirror just changes its attributes to repel an incoming attack, two attacks fired at the same time with different elements should bypass the mirror, and the Mirror also doesn't protect from underground attacks.

Nope disagree. Kakuzu's blast consist of more than 2 elements. If it was fired at YM in a single shot the mirror would repel it.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Wrong. Kakashi clearly saids he couldnt properly control the location and size of kamui.[

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And the databook claims nothing can resist the pull of technique. Deidara resisted against it, if it were like the databook said, Deidara shouldn't have been able to move his body period. The wormhole never left Deidara's body, so Kakashi's aim, while not perfect, doesn't matter in that example.

 

[Nous]

Obito doesn't need to as he can go intangible and walk straight through it.

 

[SeriousDogg]

Kamui inside of Susano'o, then w8 for Itachi to die from the aids

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

I guess it depends on your definition of "defended". Deidara was able to move his body out of the "wormhole" and restrict it to only his arm being hit, where as the databook stated that nothing can resist being pulled in. It was defended in the sense that it didn't hit what Kakashi was aiming at, and Deidara was able to move out of the way. It was originally aimed at Deidara's chest/heart. It ended up taking his arm. If Deidara were faster, it wouldn't have hurt him period.

That was an "imperfect" version of kamui as Kakashi has improved it..but that databook was released shortly after the fight with Deidara, and prior to any other kamui feat.

Kakashi wasn't able to control the location and size so it makes sense that he missed Deidara's chest. In any case my point still stands Yata Mirror unlike Kamui/Raikiri/Hell stab is detailed and hasn't been proven wrong by the manga.

Wrong. Kakashi clearly saids he couldnt properly control the location and size of kamui.[

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Nope disagree. Kakuzu's blast consist of more than 2 elements. If it was fired at YM in a single shot the mirror would repel it.

I never said in a single shot, if it was a single shot then the mirror should repel it but if they aren't one of the attacks should be repelled by the mirror while the other bypasses the mirror. It would get tanked by Susano'o at the end though :snick:

 

[Prince Charles]

And the databook claims nothing can resist the pull of technique. Deidara resisted against it, if it were like the databook said, Deidara shouldn't have been able to move his body period. The wormhole never left Deidara's body, so Kakashi's aim, while not perfect, doesn't matter in that example.

Sigh.. It does matter. He saids he couldnt control the size and location.

Kakashi is aiming for his chest[

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but due to him not being able to control it properly he went down to deidaras arm[

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You also notice back then it took kakashi a longer period of time to execute kamui.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Nah madara said hes like the sage

What's the difference? Itachi no where as close to the sage as Jubito. In fact he can't even get to the same level Madara or Naruto. Itachi is just overrated depending on how he's been using his abilities. U_U Heck even Shisui one-shots him.

What are you going on about? I'm an obito fan & I'm saying that he can't break it :|. Just because yata can defend against an attack from obito doesnt mean that Itachi can beat him. That is called being close minded .

Yes it does. Your trying to say Itachi can beat Jubito just because he has the spiritual weapons. Some Obito fanboy you are. U_U Jubito will be able to pierce through the Susano and through Itachi's skull in no time with his chakra manipulation jutsu. :scorps:

 

[EliteKakashi]

Sigh.. It does matter. He saids he couldnt control the size and location.

Kakashi is aiming for his chest[

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but due to him not being able to control it properly he went down to deidaras arm[

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You also notice back then it took kakashi a longer period of time to execute kamui.

He moves his body while being "pulled" by the technique.

A better example as the first use isn't the clearest is here:

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He clearly moves from the "barrier" or whatever you wish to call it.

 

[Prince Charles]

Kakashi wasn't able to control the location and size so it makes sense that he missed Deidara's chest.

I never said in a single shot, if it was a single shot then the mirror should repel it but if they aren't one of the attacks should be repelled by the mirror while the other bypasses the mirror. It would get tanked by Susano'o at the end :snick:

It wouldnt bypass the mirror. If 2 attacks came separately at it all YM has to do is surround the sussano negating both attacks and they both get repelled in the end. You clearly see the Ym start to surround sussano because of sasukes paper bombs[

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[Draphsin]

Yes it does. Your trying to say Itachi can beat Jubito just because he has the spiritual weapons.

Where did I say this? - rep for you sir

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

It wouldnt bypass the mirror. If 2 attacks came separately at it all YM has to do is surround the sussano negating both attacks and they both get repelled in the end. You clearly see the Ym start to surround sussano because of sasukes paper bombs[

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That would work if the Yata Mirror is able to change its attributes to 2 elements at the same time. (Not saying it could)

 

[Prince Charles]

He moves his body while being "pulled" by the technique.

A better example as the first use isn't the clearest is here:

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He clearly moves from the "barrier" or whatever you wish to call it.

Should I really be explaining this to you? Deidara is clearly able to move because back at that time his kamui was much slower making deiedara able to move. In the scan you provided you clearly see kakashi straining his eye and it hurting which caused him to go off focus!

From his own mouth he cannot control the size and location> your argument.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Should I really be explaining this to you? Deidara is clearly able to move because back at that time his kamui was much slower making deiedara able to move. In the scan you provided you clearly see kakashi straining his eye and it hurting which caused him to go off focus!

From his own mouth he cannot control the size and location> your argument.

You're missing my point completely, lol.

I'm not arguing Kakashi has perfect control of it. I'm saying that the databook claims you can't resist the pull, period. Deidara was capable of moving his body inside of the barrier. According to the databook it shouldn't be possible. Deidara "ducks" while the dimension is still opened on "top" of his head.

 

[ssiddiq78]

There is nothing that cannot be broken through overwhelming force.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Where did I say this? - rep for you sir

I didn't say you literally say it but you merely suggested it. :nuts: I can't believe you neg repped me over something like this You are nothing but a troll. :devil:

 

[Prince Charles]

You're missing my point completely, lol.

I'm not arguing Kakashi has perfect control of it. I'm saying that the databook claims you can't resist the pull, period. Deidara was capable of moving his body inside of the barrier. According to the databook it shouldn't be possible. Deidara "ducks" while the dimension is still opened on "top" of his head.

Oh my god. Now im going to disgrace your ass and expose you for the clown you are!

from kishi fken moto himself!

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THE TARGET WILL STRUGGLE

what was deidara doing? oh yeah struggling and trying to avoid it

Now im really going to expose your ass

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from kishi mother fken moto again

WITH PROFICIENCY IT BECOMES A FRIGHTENING JUTSU

hence the word proficiency, which goes back to kakashi saying how he cant control the size and location of kamui because he lacked the training and proficiency!

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I backed up all my proof from kishi and manga and the DB!

COME AT ME BROSKI!

 

[enditallsin]

Obito would shatter the featless,fragile ass mirror like a beer bottle.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Oh my god. Now im going to disgrace your ass and expose you for the clown you are!

from kishi fken moto himself!

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THE TARGET WILL STRUGGLE

what was deidara doing? oh yeah struggling and trying to avoid it

Now im really going to expose your ass

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from kishi mother fken moto again

WITH PROFICIENCY IT BECOMES A FRIGHTENING JUTSU

hence the word proficiency, which goes back to kakashi saying how he cant control the size and location of kamui because he lacked the training and proficiency!

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I backed up all my proof from kishi and manga and the DB!

COME AT ME BROSKI!

Calm yourself, lol.

My DB page source states

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. Helplessly means..well, obviously, unable to help yourself. Doesn't matter what you try. Deidara ducking isn't "helpless". It did help him...granted Naruto came from the side right after that anyway, but that's not the point.

 

[Prince Charles]

Calm yourself, lol.

My DB page source states

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. Helplessly means..well, obviously, unable to help yourself. Doesn't matter what you try. Deidara ducking isn't "helpless". It did help him...granted Naruto came from the side right after that anyway, but that's not the point.

oh.My.God

Did you miss the part where kishi saids with proficiency meaning further training and being more experienced it becomes frightening. how many times will you make me repeat myself? he lacked the location and size control and it was slower than it is now which made deiedara able to duck! learn to read the databook!

IM TURNT UP! LEH GO

 

[EliteKakashi]

oh.My.God

Did you miss the part where kishi saids with proficiency meaning further training and being more experienced it becomes frightening. how many times will you make me repeat myself? he lacked the location and size control and it was slower than it is now which made deiedara able to duck! learn to read the databook!

IM TURNT UP! LEH GO

The only thing that page says in regards to improving the technique is that he could eventually warp an entire body. Says nothing about the improvement in regards to how effective "struggling" or "avoiding" against the technique is. I'm reading just fine.