Obito should of been the final villain

[UCE]

Agreed. I want all three of them to fully utilize their arsenal. Naruto should be using different techs from the bijuu's, Sasuke should pull out his Susano'o and Madara needs to use the rinnegan.

This will make the fight 10x more better, imo.

its fight to REMEMBER.U_U

 

[Wesker]

If madara was chosen to be FV without any relevance to the story, than kaguya sure as hell can also be FV. Madara has no ties with any main characters just like kaguya but you must remember that kaguya started all the hatred. Why not make kaguya the final villan, someone who started everything from the top, unlike madara who only created obito.

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[Wesker]

If madara was chosen to be FV without any relevance to the story, than kaguya sure as hell can also be FV. Madara has no ties with any main characters just like kaguya but you must remember that kaguya started all the hatred. Why not make kaguya the final villan, someone who started everything from the top, unlike madara who only created obito.

In my opinion, this is one of Kishi's themes where kind-"hearted", "open-minded", fresh and youthful young-lings take the lead, control, and power from decrepit, archaic, narrow-minded, old-fashioned "farts".

I think this is his commentary on the situation in his country where it is hard to reach the heights in Japan while being new and young, and how system is oriented to respect, favor, bend-over and execute elder's decisions, while hindering fresh, new ideas. It might even be Kishi's personal hate and commentary that maybe prevented him from achieving some other career goal other than Naruto. Well that is speculation and only my opinion.

In that case, I see why Madara plays such a huge role and becomes very important. He is an old-age tyrant that manipulates others to execute his personal conclusions about the world, leaving all the youth and new generations without any choice to decide the plan and future.

I could see Kaguya taking the mantle of such role, but it is simply stupid to make her FV at this point and simply impossible to make her as good. She has zero character development and manga is coming to an end. Though she can work out as FV partially, if they make Kaguya-Madara merge, and they fight as one hyper-duper-super powered being.

But if you think Madara is a shitty villain, then by default no matter what happens now, the FV will be just shit. Deal with it.







LEL

 

[Flawž]

In my opinion, this is one of Kishi's themes where kind-"hearted", "open-minded", fresh and youthful young-lings take the lead, control, and power from decrepit, archaic, narrow-minded, old-fashioned "farts".

I think this is his commentary on the situation in his country where it is hard to reach the heights in Japan while being new and young, and how system is oriented to respect, favor, bend-over and execute elder's decisions, while hindering fresh, new ideas. It might even be Kishi's personal hate and commentary that maybe prevented him from achieving some other career goal other than Naruto. Well that is speculation and only my opinion.

In that case, I see why Madara plays such a huge role and becomes very important. He is an old-age tyrant that manipulates others to execute his conclusions about the world, leaving all the youth and new generations without any choice.

I could see Kaguya taking the mantle of such role, but it is stupid to make her FV at this point and simply impossible to make her as good. She has zero character development and manga is coming to an end. Though she can work out as FV partially, if they make Kaguya-Madara merge, and they fight as one hyper-duper-super powered being.

I agree. that's why kishi chose madara as a FV but what my point is that obito is more involved in the story compared to Madara. I know that madara created obito, and manipulated thousands but story wise, obito should of been the final villain. But i can see why madara was chosen.

At this point, Madara is doing the exact same thing obito did:

Both became juubi jin
Both fought Naruto and sasuke
Both trying to cast infinite tsukuyomi

Madara was a good choice for FV in terms on being the older more wiser person over obito. He was the one who created obito and started the leaf vs madara fight and etc. But story wise, Obito should of taken that role as he was more relevant to the main characters, he could talk to them, he could taunt them and most of all, he would know everything there is to know about the main characters. this makes for a better fight, a better closure to a series. A fight whit just power vs power isn't that great. which is what we have currently. Naruto and sasuke are not even talking to him, they're just fighting with power.

 

[Jack Spicer]

I agree. I would have liked if he outsmarted Madara and was the end. Obito's awesome and would mean more. He has a story and a reason while Madara is a final generic boss from some video game.

 

[Wesker]

I agree. that's why kishi chose madara as a FV but what my point is that obito is more involved in the story compared to Madara. I know that madara created obito, and manipulated thousands but story wise, obito should of been the final villain. But i can see why madara was chosen.

At this point, Madara is doing the exact same thing obito did:

Both became juubi jin
Both fought Naruto and sasuke
Both trying to cast infinite tsukuyomi

Madara was a good choice for FV in terms on being the older more wiser person over obito. He was the one who created obito and started the leaf vs madara fight and etc. But story wise, Obito should of taken that role as he was more relevant to the main characters, he could talk to them, he could taunt them and most of all, he would know everything there is to know about the main characters. this makes for a better fight, a better closure to a series. A fight whit just power vs power isn't that great. which is what we have currently. Naruto and sasuke are not even talking to him, they're just fighting with power.

But then... in simpler terms... If Obito was the FV, the story would've ended with Talk no Jutsu?! Lol, I ain't going with that man, **** that.

One of the main reasons Obito is not FV, is probably because it was Kishi's idea to show how confused, led-astray, hurt psychopath redeems himself, and embraces the all powerful meaning of LOVE, Naruto's "BELIEVE IT", and stops listening to decrepit old "farts"...

All of it kinda makes sense to me.

And since this is action shonen story, Naruto/Sasuke just had to show some more action and power-buffs vs the final boss

+ Real Madara was unveiled before Kakashi even realized who is Obito. Is it not? They almost had the same amount of character "development" and war-presence.

 

[Dark Magician]

Kishi is just milking the manga for the whole war.

 

[Flawž]

But then... in simpler terms... If Obito was the FV, the story would've ended with Talk no Jutsu?! Lol, I ain't going with that man, **** that.

One of the main reasons Obito is not FV, is probably because it was Kishi's idea to show how confused, led-astray, hurt psychopath redeems himself, and embraces the all powerful meaning of LOVE, Naruto's "BELIEVE IT", and stops listening to decrepit old "farts"...

All of it kinda makes sense to me.

And since this is action shonen story, Naruto/Sasuke just had to show some more action and power-buffs vs the final boss

The story should of ended with obito being FV and having Naruto and sasuke ultimately prove that Love > hatred, which is the theme of the manga. Then we can have the Naruto vs Sasuke fight with all the power ups and asspulls we want. this way, the manga ends with meaning, not with a rasengan to the chest.

 

[Wesker]

The story should of ended with obito being FV and having Naruto and sasuke ultimately prove that Love > hatred, which is the theme of the manga. Then we can have the Naruto vs Sasuke fight with all the power ups and asspulls we want. this way, the manga ends with meaning, not with a rasengan to the chest.

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Don't you think Naruto vs Sasuke fight will rather re-emerge that millenia old feud between 2 brothers?

Indra and Ashura reincarnations do not fight each other (at least at the moment), but cooperate to take down the main menace. This is what is different and also has some meaning. They are putting a stop to the old, main, high-magnitude conflict. They are friends that set aside their differences to overcome something.

Seeing how Naruto or Sasuke, fight and defeat another one, will erupt huge flame war between fans. Ending where they fight but end up with "friendship wins" though, would be just as lame and cliche, as fighting crappy FV.

Meh... Can this even possibly end well ?

 

[Dark Riku]

Madara is also relevant to Sasuke since he is the previous reincarnation of Indra.And he is the one who founded the Eye of the Moon Plan written in the Uchiha tablet.Anyway i disagree i prefer more Madara as the final villain.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

You realize madara was talked about from the beginning of the series right...

Yes, so when a guy with a sharingan and Spiral mask showed up, Claiming to be Madara, he get's all the epic of being Madara.

And of course, Obito came first.

 

[Florio]

meh, i really did not dig obito that much it was a boring fight for me after speeches and speeches that i sadly lost the hype in the series at that time, but after madara came back the manga was getting good we got 8 gate and to meet hagoromo plus the name of the sons and the current fight is getting hype.

overall madara is better for me as a final villian, but there's something going on with kaguya seems weird.

agreed, the Obito fight got extremely boring and uneventful at a certain point, I felt no threat from Obito at all because I knew he would lose the ten-tails. I was practically just waiting for Madara to start taking over the fight. As soon as Madara was revived, my interest in the series came back.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

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, so it bloomed when Obito was the jinchuriki, and everything else has been Infinite Tsukiyomi.

 

[Complex]

Nah....I like madara as a villian way more than obito.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Thats all true, but Obito was never a bad guy he was to lost and genuinely thought he was doing for the best of all.
Madara is just power greedy butthurt lunatic.
I find it easier to dislike madara and thus he would be more fitting to receive FV fodderization which he is getting now.

 

[Minator93]

Nice thread Flawz, I agree.

The manga should've ended after Obito's fall. Madara feels forced villain, nowhere near Obito's level.

 

[Eggs Aisle]

stopped on the first sentence.

nothing to see here but yet another TH

throwing there rep in the trash.


ot- this thread makes 0 sense, obito wouldnt be relvent w/o madara.


/thread

 

[Djokovic]

Obito whos crying 24/7 how Rin died should never be the final villain. Everyone knew he was gonna be TNJed.
Tobi had so much potential too bad he end up being a whiny lil b*tch.

 

[Eggs Aisle]

Obito whos crying 24/7 how Rin died should never be the final villain. Everyone knew he was gonna be TNJed.
Tobi had so much potential too bad he end up being a whiny lil b*tch.

dont forget w/o madara obito would have died a fodder death in that cave.

thus stopping the war potential

but op seem to think madara has no relvence just because he wanks obito.

 

[Tyrannus]

Madara may not even be the final villian