Obito never casted genjutsu on 4th mizukage

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It's been quite a speculation that Obito was the one that casted genjutsu on the 4th mizukage but I believe that this is false.

The main reason:

Obito has yet to show any superior genjutsu skills in the entire series that he has fought except for controlling the nine tails. As we all know having MS gives you the ability to controll the nine tails so it's not a viable fact to say he is epic genjutsu user due to him controlling it with his eyes.

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Second reason:

If Obito could cast this amazing genjutsu.. why didn't he do it with any one else or recast it on the 4th Mizukage after AO broke it the first time.

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Third reason:

Obito Genjutsu was broken by Kakashi. Not saying Kakashi genjutsu is weak it's just I don't think Kakashi should be able to break a Perfect Jin controlling users Genjutsu.

Final Reason:

Every Uchiha in the series has used high level genjutsu on a strong opponent EXCEPT Obito

Madara used on Raikage(Tailed beast level chakra)
Sasuke used on Danzo (Had 10 sharingans haha)
Itachi used on Orochimaru (Orochimaru was a genjutsu genius)

What really happended?

I believe Madara was the one that casted the genjutsu on the 4th mizukage during the reign of the bloody mist era. It's simply after this point that he may have just let Obito give the instructions but the 4th essentially was still under Madara's control.

You could say it's similar to Madara's control over black zetsu.. He gave Obito the right to boss it around but Madara always had supreme control. If Obito was the controller we would have seem many more people being influenced by him in the series.


In Short:

Madara was the caster. Obito was just passed control

So with this being said can we please stop saying Obito is a master genjutsu user!
 

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No, madara was long dead that time, He didn't have any strength in him to cast a genjutsu that strong at that time of his life, it was obviously obito and it was hinted and bluntly stated many times.
 

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It's been quite a speculation that Obito was the one that casted genjutsu on the 4th mizukage but I believe that this is false.

The main reason:

Obito has yet to show any superior genjutsu skills in the entire series that he has fought except for controlling the nine tails. As we all know having MS gives you the ability to controll the nine tails so it's not a viable fact to say he is epic genjutsu user due to him controlling it with his eyes.

Proof MS grants Kyuubi control:
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Second reason:

If Obito could cast this amazing genjutsu.. why didn't he do it with any one else or recast it on the 4th Mizukage after AO broke it the first time.

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Third reason:

Obito Genjutsu was broken by Kakashi. Not saying Kakashi genjutsu is weak it's just I don't think Kakashi should be able to break a Perfect Jin controlling users Genjutsu.

Final Reason:

Every Uchiha in the series has used high level genjutsu on a strong opponent EXCEPT Obito

Madara used on Raikage(Tailed beast level chakra)
Sasuke used on Danzo (Had 10 sharingans haha)
Itachi used on Orochimaru (Orochimaru was a genjutsu genius)

What really happended?

I believe Madara was the one that casted the genjutsu on the 4th mizukage during the reign of the bloody mist era. It's simply after this point that he may have just let Obito give the instructions but the 4th essentially was still under Madara's control.

You could say it's similar to Madara's control over black zetsu.. He gave Obito the right to boss it around but Madara always had supreme control. If Obito was the controller we would have seem many more people being influenced by him in the series.


In Short:

Madara was the caster. Obito was just passed control

So with this being said can we please stop saying Obito is a master genjutsu user!
3tomoe Obito made Kyuubi his b1tch
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Even if MS grants the user the ability to cast genjutsu on Kurama, Obito didn't use his MS, only 3T. That's enough to show he has high proficiency with Genjutsu.
3tomoe Obito made Kyuubi his b1tch
/thread
I honestly believe that was plot hole to cover the fact that kakashi and him had the same Eye

Much like Itachi casting Tsukyomi with 3 tomoe sharingan
 

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obito placed to genjutsu on the 4th...madara passed away and we seen that obito grew and had long hair...we know that zetsu can change to look like people and that madaras will was made into the zetsu that became cool with obito. he was the one who did it not madara
 

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obito's genjutsu was also compared to KA as well.

it is indeed common knowledge that Obito is one of the best genjutsu users of all time, He even killed konan with pure genjutsu, a feat no one has yet to accomplish.
 

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It's been quite a speculation that Obito was the one that casted genjutsu on the 4th mizukage but I believe that this is false.

The main reason:

Obito has yet to show any superior genjutsu skills in the entire series that he has fought except for controlling the nine tails. As we all know having MS gives you the ability to controll the nine tails so it's not a viable fact to say he is epic genjutsu user due to him controlling it with his eyes.

Proof MS grants Kyuubi control:
You must be registered for see images
Second reason:

If Obito could cast this amazing genjutsu.. why didn't he do it with any one else or recast it on the 4th Mizukage after AO broke it the first time.

You must be registered for see images

Third reason:

Obito Genjutsu was broken by Kakashi. Not saying Kakashi genjutsu is weak it's just I don't think Kakashi should be able to break a Perfect Jin controlling users Genjutsu.

Final Reason:

Every Uchiha in the series has used high level genjutsu on a strong opponent EXCEPT Obito

Madara used on Raikage(Tailed beast level chakra)
Sasuke used on Danzo (Had 10 sharingans haha)
Itachi used on Orochimaru (Orochimaru was a genjutsu genius)

What really happended?

I believe Madara was the one that casted the genjutsu on the 4th mizukage during the reign of the bloody mist era. It's simply after this point that he may have just let Obito give the instructions but the 4th essentially was still under Madara's control.

You could say it's similar to Madara's control over black zetsu.. He gave Obito the right to boss it around but Madara always had supreme control. If Obito was the controller we would have seem many more people being influenced by him in the series.


In Short:

Madara was the caster. Obito was just passed control

So with this being said can we please stop saying Obito is a master genjutsu user!
NO Because the Manga confirms it was obito who MET KISAME and NOT MADARA, check below

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Above Madara only have a RIGHT EYE

now check below

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The MAN here HAS A RIGHT EYE THEREFORE ITS OBITO WHO WAS CONTROLLING YAGURA AND NOT MADARA

ALSO the Man controlling yagura had BLACK HAIR while Madara has WHITE HAIR

/THREAD
 

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Obito did cast the genjutsu. If obito wasn't good then he wouldn't plan on casting infinate tsukuyomi. It's not obitos style to use genjutsu in battle, thats itachi's style. If you wanna go by feats then Danzo and Naruto were the only high level people that fell for sasuke's genjutsu. The first was arrogant the second can't break a genjutsu to save his life.
 

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obito's genjutsu was also compared to KA as well.

it is indeed common knowledge that Obito is one of the best genjutsu users of all time, He even killed konan with pure genjutsu, a feat no one has yet to accomplish.
lmao... "He said when the genjutsu ends so will your life" that does not mean he killed her with "pure genjutsu" lol just means he killed her after he was done casting it
 

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NO Because the Manga confirms it was obito who MET KISAME and NOT MADARA, check below

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Above Madara only have a RIGHT EYE

now check below

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The MAN here HAS A RIGHT EYE THEREFORE ITS OBITO WHO WAS CONTROLLING YAGURA AND NOT MADARA

ALSO the Man controlling yagura had BLACK HAIR while Madara has WHITE HAIR

/THREAD
did not read my OP...
 
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