Norwegian woman who reported being raped in Dubai is jailed for 16 months

[Turson]

omg, how could we not thought of it ourselves!? give this man his noble prize now!

world problems are not solved so easily.

You wanted an answer right? So this is your answer which is valid, like it or not.

Stop acting as if Europe and the US are the only ones who have dark history and are the only ones capable of hypocritical actions

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Where did I ever said or suggested that? Can you quote that part?

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

As for Saudi Arabia, thats the state where wahhabi branch of islam is in charge, and thats one of the most extremist branches of islam. Its completely different country than Turkey.

I was referring to your statement about them being our allies

Are you saying we should ditch them simply because of corrupt dealings ? This is when a country needs help the most

 

[Turson]

Are you saying we should ditch them simply because of corrupt dealings ? This is when a country needs help the most

What do you mean by "help"? Selling them a sh*tload of weapons for oil money like our governments are doing?

It is completely hostile

Hostile toward what?

 

[EnDash]

I know its not Islam itself i mention that in a post above however there was an episode of charlie rose i once watched where there was a debate about reflections societies cast upon themselves and others.

ultimately the point of this one woman is that regardless of individual thinking of fragmented sects within the middle east that do not live up to the standard "terrorist" or "extremist" facade the overall message emitted from that location that lingers on throughout the world is not one of peace nor understanding.


And therefore the collective countries fault as a whole


I don't mean to use the word fault in the damning way it sounded

I do not look on to the middle east as whole with disgust but,i do look at it with fustration

i agree with you, i just feel like too many people are mislead about islam or judaism or christianty by hearing the worst of the worst.

You wanted an answer right? So this is your answer which is valid, like it or not.

i wanted an answer that might actully help in sovling this problem. all you give me is that US and europe should stop being hypocrites. if it was this simple we wouldn't be dealing with this for so long.

 

[Turson]

i wanted an answer that might actully help in sovling this problem.

For example: to say it aloud that there are human rights being broken there, instead of pretending that they are all cool and civilised.

But this is not what this thread was about at the beginning, so Im going to stop at this.

 

[EnDash]

For example: to say it aloud that there are human rights being broken there, instead of pretending that they are all cool and civilised.

But this is not what this thread was about at the beginning, so Im going to stop at this.

from your first post: "why too much religion could srew up your head.", you started this thread as a religious argument.

also, the fact that you know about this and can read about this means the truth is out there in public. maybe it's not the govermants that are naive, maybe it's us. maybe socity should stop pretending everything is fine.

 

[Turson]

from your first post: "why too much religion could srew up your head.", you started this thread as a religious argument.

also, the fact that you know about this and can read about this means the truth is out there in public. maybe it's not the govermants that are naive, maybe it's us. maybe socity should stop pretending everything is fine.

Like I said, Im not going to argue that anymore since thats offtop. As for the bolded part this situation is the effect of Sharia law, which was invented by no one other than religious leaders.

 

[Chibiusa]

"Under UAE law, rapists can only be convicted if either the perpetrator confesses or if four adult Muslim males witness the crime."

Seriously? Wow.

 

[EnDash]

"Under UAE law, rapists can only be convicted if either the perpetrator confesses or if four adult Muslim males witness the crime."

Seriously? Wow.

i don't think that laws that allow pretty much anyone to carry a gun or disallow abortion after a certain week are any more logical. and rape victims in USA still need to prove they were raped and there are case where the rapist goes free cause the victim was unable to prove. i heard that a set of judges allowed the defense attorney to force the a teen rape victim to crawl on four legs and show them the moves that were happening when the rapist raped her.

stop being so rightous. there are unbelivably curropted rules in democratic peaceful countries too. you just ignore them or don't know about them cause it's more fun to hate arab countries.

 

[Turson]

and rape victims in USA still need to prove they were raped and there are case where the rapist goes free cause the victim was unable to prove.

Lol? Thats only logical isnt it? If it was the other way around any girl could accuse you of rape and you would be send stright to jail, even if you done nothing.

"Under UAE law, rapists can only be convicted if either the perpetrator confesses or if four adult Muslim males witness the crime."

Seriously? Wow.

Basically, thats the Sharia law for you, where woman is treated as nothing more than second rate human being.

 

[EnDash]

Lol? Thats only logical isnt it? If it was the other way around any girl could accuse you of rape and you would be send stright to jail, even if you done nothing.

Basically, thats the Sharia law for you, where woman is treated as nothing more than second rate human being.

that system just leave too many loopholes. people not only use it to accuse unjustly, they use it to escape punishment on crimes they did commit. just like in UAE where you can escape rape punishment if you don't have enough witnesses. USA law system is not better the sharia law. it only claims to be better to make itself feel proud and just. in truth it is as curropt as any muslim based govermant.

 

[Turson]

that system just leave too many loopholes. people not only use it to accuse unjustly, they use it to escape punishment on crimes they did commit. just like in UAE where you can escape rape punishment if you don't have enough witnesses. USA law system is not better the sharia law. it only claims to be better to make itself feel proud and just. in truth it is as curropt as any muslim based govermant.

I know that no system is perfect. I live in Poland and I can also see a lot of injustice, s*tload of corruption - like you said, there are too many loopholes, and many people are using this. But... I have no doubt that if I was a woman I would rather live in one of the western countries instead of one of countries where Sharia law reigns, since Sharia law would automatically recognize me as the second rate human being.

 

[EnDash]

I know that no system is perfect. I live in Poland and I can also see a lot of injustice, s*tload of corruption - like you said, there are too many loopholes, and many people are using this. But... I have no doubt that if I was a woman I would rather live in one of the western countries instead of one of countries where Sharia law reigns, since Sharia law would automatically recognize me as the second rate human being.

you are right that sharia law is a horrible crime against humanity. but i still believe that you only see the extreme cases.

 

[Darthlawsuit]

Time to send in the Norwegian seal teams to rescue her and cause an international incident.

I really hope they do this, save their citizen.

 

[Turson]

you are right that sharia law is a horrible crime against humanity. but i still believe that you only see the extreme cases.

No. For example, I respect Turkey a lot. They were able to create quite a modern country, but that was becuase they (or more specifically, Atatürk -

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) were able to see that too much religion is a threat to modern, democratic country. Unfortunately, most of muslim countries took another path.

 

[EnDash]

No. For example, I respect Turkey a lot. They were able to create quite a modern country, but that was becuase they (or more specifically, Atatürk -

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) were able to see that too much religion is a threat to modern, democratic country. Unfortunately, most of muslim countries took another path.

well i can assure you that women are not getting raped or murdered or stoned everyday is saudi arabia or united amaraties or afghanistan or jordan. you just hear about extreme cases and believe in happens all the time and is the normality there. muslims in those countries are still humans, those that rape or murder are just a big minority.

i wonder what you think about the cases with old men that were found with a couple of girls in their basement that were kept as *** slave for 40 years. is this because of some US law or cause they are just stupid people?

 

[Turson]

muslims in those countries are still humans, those that rape or murder are just a big minority.

But it still way more common then in our western countries. Why is that? Becuase they are too much intro the religion that discriminates womans.

you just hear about extreme cases and believe in happens all the time and is the normality there.

A woman in Saudi Arabia or Iran cant drive a car - how can you call that extreme case where it affects half of population of said countries? Its not all about rapes, my friend. Also, its common there that woman cant choose her husband, instead male members of her family makes it for her - thats another example.

 

[EnDash]

But it still way more common then in our western countries. Why is that? Becuase they are too much intro the religion that discriminates woman.

A woman in Saudi Arabia or Iran cant drive a car - how can you call that extreme case where it affects half of population of said countries? Its not all about rapes, my friend. Also, its common there that woman cant choose her husband, instead male members of her family makes it for her - thats another example.

1. i read somewhere that saudi arabia is thinking of allowing women to drive, because it will help financly and will higher the tax money the govermant get. the country is not driven by religion it is driven by rich people trying to get richer.
2. women can't choose their husband is a funny idea, because from what i understand it is the right of a woman by sharia law to reject any proposal from a man. what you said is people twisting the sharia law to meet their own needs and desires.

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"The guardian may choose a suitable partner for a virgin girl, but the girl is free to contest and has the right to say 'no'."

Guardian here is either father or husband, but a woman has the right to reject and say no.

 

[Turson]

1. i read somewhere that saudi arabia is thinking of allowing women to drive, because it will help financly and will higher the tax money the govermant get.

Good for them.

the country is not driven by religion it is driven by rich people trying to get richer.

I doubt if womans discrimination has anything to do with people trying to get richer.

what you said is people twisting the sharia law to meet their own needs and desires.

However, Sharia law makes an excuse for man to discrimanates woman, since like I said, in Sharia law woman is nothing more than second rate human being.

 

[EnDash]

Good for them.

I doubt if womans discrimination has anything to do with people trying to get richer.

However, Sharia law makes an excuse for man to discrimanates woman, since like I said, in Sharia law woman is nothing more than second rate human being.

if you check the last zimmerman case then black people in the USA are nothing more then second rate human beings.