Non-dojutsu Sasuke and non-jinchuriki Naruto

[Jokule67]

yeah because taking sasukes sharingan altogether and allowing naruto keep sage mode is so fair.

Exactly not fair at all. Sasuke is heir to Sharingan. Thats his freaking glory.

 

[chaos control]

yeah because taking sasukes sharingan altogether and allowing naruto keep sage mode is so fair.

It is fair. The OP was clearly taking away abilities that were granted to them at birth or because of genetics. In other words , they were only allowed to use powers that they had to train for. Naruto trained for SM , so it is perfectly fair.

 

[Wparker6804]

yeah because taking sasukes sharingan altogether and allowing naruto keep sage mode is so fair.

Well if I had done this thread I would have just stuck with loosing EMS since his first Sharingan was rightfully his. But then before posting that I realised that he'd be blind so I kept to the OP's terms rather than factoring it in. I guess no Sharingan at all could be seen by some as better than blind. But I give Naruto Sage Mode as much as Sasuke with all of his other jutsus and prowess pre-Hagoromo power up. He is REALLY damn fast with potent chakra. Naruto's a chakra tank. Take away Sasuke's key potency while still keeping a fair bit at the equivalent of taking away a tailed beast for Sage Mode may be as close to fair as you can get, sadly. But Naruto did work hard for Sage Mode & was struck in the head repeatedly to do so (lol). But without SM & Sasuke with eyesight I'd be more lenient on Sasuke. Sasuke's a finely honed scalpel & Naruto's a meat hammer. It's really just about preference.

 

[Jokule67]

It is fair. The OP was clearly taking away abilities that were granted to them at birth or because of genetics. In other words , they were only allowed to use powers that they had to train for. Naruto trained for SM , so it is perfectly fair.

Not really Narutos character is built upon hard work and training hard with no natural talent. They are of two different worlds.

Sasuke trains hard as well. But he trained his doujutsu in conjunction with his body/movements. Thats counts for something.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Looks like I rustled a few jimmies, you guys can deny the truth all you want but mangafact is Naruto without kyuubi = genin level and Sasuke roflstomps. Please don't forget to reread the manga. Bye

You're nothing but a troll. Keep at it and someone will notice...xd

 

[Jokule67]

Well if I had done this thread I would have just stuck with loosing EMS since his first Sharingan was rightfully his. But then before posting that I realised that he'd be blind so I kept to the OP's terms rather than factoring it in. I guess no Sharingan at all could be seen by some as better than blind. But I give Naruto Sage Mode as much as Sasuke with all of his other jutsus and prowess pre-Hagoromo power up. He is REALLY damn fast with potent chakra. Naruto's a chakra tank. Take away Sasuke's key potency while still keeping a fair bit at the equivalent of taking away a tailed beast for Sage Mode may be as close to fair as you can get, sadly. But Naruto did work hard for Sage Mode & was struck in the head repeatedly to do so (lol). But without SM & Sasuke with eyesight I'd be more lenient on Sasuke. Sasuke's a finely honed scalpel & Naruto's a meat hammer. It's really just about preference.

Naruto caught up to Sasuke in base, with Sasuke having slight edge because of a need of Kage Bunshins.

 

[Yata Mirror]

This, also Sasuke has aerial advantage due to rinne hawk and can still cast Kirin.

Let's not forget he can use chidori spear and Nagashi which makes cqc mid range battle useless and his Dragon fire jutsu can be spammed and it should beat FRS if elemental advantage is still a thing.

He can also use deidara tactics and keep a distance with rinne hawk, blast with Katon while preparing Kirin.

Rinne Hawk = Rinnegan summon
Rinnegan = dojutsu
No dojutsu = No Rinne Hawk

Kirin requires prep time, you won't have that time when someone is trying to kill you

Chidori Stream can actually help but Chidori spear won't be helpful because Clones..

Naruto's RS is long range and will keep Sasuke on his toes for Naruto to close in and Frog Kata/Kumite solos

Now come again

But tbh this isn't fair..
the fair deal is always SM vs MS which is a good debate because it can go either wày

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Wow nevermind I guess I was wrong. Just because Naruto and Sasuke are in the title people are willing to make a bait thread a hot thread, come on guys I thought we were better than this :kk:

 

[King Of Pop]

It is fair. The OP was clearly taking away abilities that were granted to them at birth or because of genetics. In other words , they were only allowed to use powers that they had to train for. Naruto trained for SM , so it is perfectly fair.

except you dont train to awaken sharingan or get MS. you get them with right circumstances, however you train to use them. sasukes sharingan is his birthright, not something he was given externally like say EMS which would be the equivalent of kurama for naruto. his max without any external aid is MS which he earned as he battled itachi leading to the latters death allowing sasuke awaken it.

MS sasuke and SM naruto should be the comparison.

Well if I had done this thread I would have just stuck with loosing EMS since his first Sharingan was rightfully his. But then before posting that I realised that he'd be blind so I kept to the OP's terms rather than factoring it in. I guess no Sharingan at all could be seen by some as better than blind. But I give Naruto Sage Mode as much as Sasuke with all of his other jutsus and prowess pre-Hagoromo power up. He is REALLY damn fast with potent chakra. Naruto's a chakra tank. Take away Sasuke's key potency while still keeping a fair bit at the equivalent of taking away a tailed beast for Sage Mode may be as close to fair as you can get, sadly. But Naruto did work hard for Sage Mode & was struck in the head repeatedly to do so (lol). But without SM & Sasuke with eyesight I'd be more lenient on Sasuke. Sasuke's a finely honed scalpel & Naruto's a meat hammer. It's really just about preference.

i get what you say but either sasuke without sharingan and naruto in base or MS sasuke and Sm naruto. that would be how i would put it if i was the op. and yes sasuke would be blind but gotta keep it theoretical lol

 

[Yatori]

SM Naruto takes this.

 

[chaos control]

Not really Narutos character is built upon hard work and training hard with no natural talent. They are of two different worlds.

Sasuke trains hard as well. But he trained his doujutsu in conjunction with his body/movements. Thats counts for something.

It is certainly true that Sasuke trained with his eyes , but the fact remains that Sasuke was granted the potential to awaken the sharingan at birth (just as Naruto was granted Kurama and the subsequent potential to master Kurama's power at birth). You can bring up the fact that Sasuke trained with his eyes , but I could similarly bring up the fact that Naruto trained with Kurama's chakara (as seen when he was training with Bee on turtle island). Do you see what I mean?

Kurama = the thing Naruto was given at birth
Potential to awaken sharingan = the thing Sasuke was given at birth

Remember , Sasuke and Uchihas in general can still train and learn normal jutsus just like every other shinobi (as evidenced by Sasuke's fire and lightning release as well as his summons. Itachi could use genjutsu without his eyes. Etc...)

Therefore it is perfectly fair. Naruto worked hard for sage mode. Sasuke worked hard for his other jutsus.

 

[Jiren]

It is certainly true that Sasuke trained with his eyes , but the fact remains that Sasuke was granted the potential to awaken the sharingan at birth (just as Naruto was granted Kurama and the subsequent potential to master Kurama's power at birth). You can bring up the fact that Sasuke trained with his eyes , but I could similarly bring up the fact that Naruto trained with Kurama's chakara (as seen when he was training with Bee on turtle island). Do you see what I mean?

Kurama = the thing Naruto was given at birth
Potential to awaken sharingan = the thing Sasuke was given at birth

Remember , Sasuke and Uchihas in general can still train and learn normal jutsus just like every other shinobi (as evidenced by Sasuke's fire and lightning release as well as his summons. Itachi could use genjutsu without his eyes. Etc...)

Therefore it is perfectly fair. Naruto worked hard for sage mode. Sasuke worked hard for his other jutsus.

Narutos "hard work" for sage mode was only applicable because he was born an Uzumaki and had Kurama. You need large chakra pool to learn sage mode.

 

[Jokule67]

It is certainly true that Sasuke trained with his eyes , but the fact remains that Sasuke was granted the potential to awaken the sharingan at birth (just as Naruto was granted Kurama and the subsequent potential to master Kurama's power at birth). You can bring up the fact that Sasuke trained with his eyes , but I could similarly bring up the fact that Naruto trained with Kurama's chakara (as seen when he was training with Bee on turtle island). Do you see what I mean?

Kurama = the thing Naruto was given at birth
Potential to awaken sharingan = the thing Sasuke was given at birth

Remember , Sasuke and Uchihas in general can still train and learn normal jutsus just like every other shinobi (as evidenced by Sasuke's fire and lightning release as well as his summons. Itachi could use genjutsu without his eyes. Etc...)

Therefore it is perfectly fair. Naruto worked hard for sage mode. Sasuke worked hard for his other jutsus.

I get you. However It is still not fair since Naruto uses power from diff sources whilst Sasuke upgraded 3 stages from one source.

You cant fault him for going a diff route. Even without Sharingan Sasuke is still a prodigy and would develop nicely.

 

[Warlocks]

ms sasuke = sm naruto with Maa and Paa

 

[Jokule67]

Narutos "hard work" for sage mode was only applicable because he was born an Uzumaki and had Kurama. You need large chakra pool to learn sage mode.

Kurama didnt grant his reserves. He has 4x Kakashis chakra without kurama.

Since Minato/Jiraiyah attained it Naruto is a given

 

[To Whatever]

Guys guys....








They're both still shit...

The fact that they've gotten to Sage Mode or MS is because of being coddled into it.

Naruto with sm vs no sharingan Sasuke is an unfair shit show.

Precog is Sasuke's bread and butter. Not his speed or strength.

Sasuke fans need to stop taking shit tier bait.

 

[Wparker6804]

Guys guys....








They're both still shit...

The fact that they've gotten to Sage Mode or MS is because of being coddled into it.

Well you're unbiased at least. Hard to find on any big debate in the world. Glass half full I suppose, lol.

 

[Styles]

Have people saw Boruto movie lol Sasuke still wins. He was on par with RSM Naruto in pure physical abilities. And Naruto doesn't have kurama but still have RSM but it won't be mixed with kurama's chakra.

 

[explore]

Sasuke for the win.Naruto is not strong with out the kyuubi

 

[To Whatever]

Have people saw Boruto movie lol Sasuke still wins. He was on par with RSM Naruto in pure physical abilities. And Naruto doesn't have kurama but still have RSM but it won't be mixed with kurama's chakra.

Using Rikudo feats to validate why a non dojutsu version of him would win..

Do you always take bait like this?