NK teaches me how to fight !

[Zexion~]

NOOO HAD TOO START ALL OVER AGAIN CUZ OF THIS DAMN COMPUTER

but anyways this may be a little rushed sense ive had to start over again


1. The things i would notice about a genjutsu are if reality was being distorted such as vivid backgrounds .. such as repeated scenery as in if ive been running for a while and seeing the same tree the whole time ... or if something weird happens like someone forming out of crows p) .. If someone was using a genjutsu to prey on my emotions .. i would look for things i know not too be true .. such as a dead friend back alive. ( as i said im not very good at genjutsu)

2. The most obvious genjutsu to me would be sound genjutsu .. you can realize right when the opponent plays a tune really .. i mean you should know that their not playing you a medley . if that does not give it away once you get caught it reality begins to get..trippy if you will (from what ive seen) And is easy to spot

3.The hardest genjutsu to spot would be tsukuyomi for me .. the first time i saw it i actually thought it was reality ...( sasuke vs itachi) it would take me a while ..if at all to figure out i was in a genjutsu And even then unless i am an uchia i can not break it

 

[Noni]

What would you look for when trying to counter a genjutsu ?
- I would first try to know my surroundings if it is changing in any way that can't be explained logically. I would also try to test out my movements, Most genjutsu's tend to stop your movements completely or you tend to walk or run differently. My emotions as well I would try to check, My character is supposed to be a sad type of loner, If the genjutsu was to lets say make me feel happy or anything different to what my personality really is then it is obvious to say I am in a genjutsu. Also I would look if I was to see things that I am not supposed to like what my classmate said zexion said If I was to see dead people or anything unnatural then it is another way to understand that I am under a genjutsu. This are the first things I would try to find in the process of countering a genjutsu.

What types of genjutsus are obvious ?
genjutsu that change the terrain is a way that are not normal. For example if I was battling a opponent on a very sunny and bright day, and out of nowhere the area turns into complete darkness. I should be able right away to understand that I am in a obvious genjutsu. Here is my example.

Spoiler

( Kokuangyo no Jutsu ) - Bringer-of-Darkness Technique
Rank: A
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user makes one handseal, causing the opponent to believe they have been trapped in a world of infinite darkness, where their sense of sight is useless. It is capable of affecting multiple targets within range. However, it does not negate their other senses.

What types of genjutsus are not so obvious ?
I tried looking in the genjutsu sections for less obvious genjutsu's but they all in common sense are very obvious, So I'm gonna go with Tsukoyomi as well, It is the most advance genjutsu for a reason. Madara is able to control anything he wants in it. It is so powerful he was even able to escape Hashirama and that is saying something.

 

[Excālibur1]

What would you look for when trying to counter a Genjutsu?

At first, I would look around my surroundings to see if they are normal. If they are different from my Original Surroundings, I can say that I am under Genjutsu. If the user has Doujutsu such as Sharingan. He can see if his Chakra Flow is Normal. If it irregular, we can assume that we are under a Genjutsu and take out a small weapon and pierce or scratch our any area of the body to bring back our 5 Senses to Normal.

What types of Genjutsus are obvious?

As said by my my Class Mate Zexion, Sound Genjutsu can be found out easily by simply listening to the sound it makes. But we can also check our surroundings if they are Normal like before or not. If they are not, We are Under a Genjutsu.

What types of Genjutsus are not so obvious?

As said by both of my Class Mates, I would go with Tsukuyomi because of the type of usage in Sasuke vs Itachi fight. Sasuke thought it as real.​

 

[Zexion~]

What would you look for when trying to counter a Genjutsu?

At first, I would look around my surroundings to see if they are normal. If they are different from my Original Surroundings, I can say that I am under Genjutsu. If the user has Doujutsu such as Sharingan. He can see if his Chakra Flow is Normal. If it irregular, we can assume that we are under a Genjutsu and take out a small weapon and pierce or scratch our any area of the body to bring back our 5 Senses to Normal.

What types of Genjutsus are obvious?

As said by my my Class Mate Zexion, Sound Genjutsu can be found out easily by simply listening to the sound it makes. But we can also check our surroundings if they are Normal like before or not. If they are not, We are Under a Genjutsu.

What types of Genjutsus are not so obvious?

As said by both of my Class Mates, I would go with Tsukuyomi because of the type of usage in Sasuke vs Itachi fight. Sasuke thought it as real.

I would like to also point out Zexion's mistake about countering Tsukuyomi. A very skilled Uchiha member with 3T Sharingan can be able to break through Tsukuyomi.​

I said only uchia's can break tsukuyomi my man lol

 

[Excālibur1]

I said only uchia's can break tsukuyomi my man lol

Misunderstood your Sentence, Sorry.​

 

[Zexion~]

Misunderstood your Sentence, Sorry.​

Its all good

 

[Negative Knight]

Alright, your current understanding of realizing genjutsu is very basic, but its something to build on. The first step in realizing a genjutsu is observing for anything overly-obvious or something which would naturally probe your character's suspicion. In battle, I want you to observe even the smallest of disturbances in your surroundings and the slightest inconsistencies. I want you to notice, if a tree begins coiling around you, does it produce growing sounds as it emerges ? If a fireball is shot towards you, does the heat of the technique resonate from it and make you feel like the temperature is rising ? If you see an illusionary clone walking towards you, does it bend the grass when it walks ? If you get burnt by something, does the wound sizzle as the burn is inflicted ? Does the water beneath your feet ripple when you walk, or make any splashing sounds ?

Pay very close attention to the senses a technique affects, its fundamental to breaking a genjutsu. If a technique doesn't specify the senses it affects, make sure you don't assume anything. Find other ways of seeing through the technique. Does the illusion respect the laws of reality ? Does the illusion distort happen to abruptly and distorts the natural occurrence of events ? I can't teach you how to realize every genjutsu, I can only teach you the concept of doing so. The rest is up to how much you take away from this training. One thing to bare in mind is, when you're trying to realize genjutsu, don't come up with extremely complicated thought processes or anything which wouldn't be realistic in the heat of a battle. I don't want you to "god-mod" or try to use knowledge your character doesn't have to break Genjutsus. You must be realistic and legitimate in the way you break genjutsus.

Right now, i'm going to gauge your current level, so I can see what's our starting point. Tell me all the reasons you can come up with for realizing the following Genjutsu.

1) ( Genjutsu: Ingemame Ketsugō Sakkaku ) - Illusion Technique String Bean Binding Illusion

Spoiler

Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Description: Similar to Illusion Technique: Tree Binding Death, where the user first disappears, while the target sees several bean vines growing from the ground. These vines bind the target body, lifting them into the air. Then a bean pod rises from the ground to reveal the user, ready to strike. In reality, the opponent is immobilized by the illusion, allowing the user to strike.

2) ( Genjutsu: Oshitsubusu Hebi Kubire ) - Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction

Spoiler

Rank: B
Type: Offensive, Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage points: 40
Description: The user puts the opponent into a genjutsu which has snakes appear beneath the opponent to constrict them and with the users command, they crush the opponent. In reality, the opponent is immobilized and takes damage due to the stress on his mind.

3) ( Nehan Shōja no Jutsu ) - Temple of Nirvana Technique

Spoiler

Rank: A
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user makes one handseal, placing all the targets in the area under an illusion where feathers appear to fall from the sky. This slowly puts the opponents to sleep after one turn.

4) ( Kokuangyo no Jutsu ) - Bringer-of-Darkness Technique

Spoiler

Rank: A
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user makes one handseal, causing the opponent to believe they have been trapped in a world of infinite darkness, where their sense of sight is useless. It is capable of affecting multiple targets within range. However, it does not negate their other senses.

 

[Noni]

( Genjutsu: Ingemame Ketsugō Sakkaku ) - Illusion Technique String Bean Binding Illusion
Reasons​

- Well to me a way to realize its a genjutsu is the immediate disappearing of an opponent especially if he was at first in my sights like standing ahead of me and suddenly disappearing would not be reasonable. Unless he had some type of S/T jutsu it would to me signal a genjutsu.
- Also if the area we were standing in lets say for example a dessert it would not make sense if bean vines came out of nowhere, and grew rapidly even if we were in a forest it would not make sense because plants would not be able to grow at that speed.
- Its also simple to know there is no ninjutsu or element that can control plants, The closest thing is wood but that isn't really a bean vine so I would quickly no due to this it would be the work of genjutsu because anything else would not make sense.

( Genjutsu: Oshitsubusu Hebi Kubire ) - Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction
Reasons​

- This is quite difficult because snakes can be used as summons so it would be difficult to figure it out. But first I would try to figure out where the snakes area coming from like in any hole in the ground or any hiding place. So if I saw there would be no place for the snakes to actually travel to appear and I didn't seem my opponent summon a snake by biting his thumb then you figure out that it is a genjutsu.
- Also are the snakes attacking me in any way, Snakes when they constrict they then attack by biting if they don't actually attack me and if my opponent doesn't do any sudden movement while they are constricting then it can be a signal that it is a genjutsu.

( Nehan Shōja no Jutsu ) - Temple of Nirvana Technique
Reasons​

- Now it should be easy enough to realize that feathers especially a lot don't normally fall from the ground.
- Also I would try to see if when the feathers actually come in contact with me do I feel there presence or not. If I don't feet them then its genjutsu.
( I don't know If i really did good in this one )

( Kokuangyo no Jutsu ) - Bringer-of-Darkness Technique
Reasons​

- First the area I am in if it was at first bright like if it was sunny, then out of nowhere started to get dark for no real logical reason then its genjutsu.
- Knowing I would not be able to focus on my sight it I would try to listen if I can hear anything out of the ordinary if it is very silent and I don't hear my opponent then it can signal genjutsu.


Hope I did good here.

 

[Zexion~]

Realizing ( Genjutsu: Ingemame Ketsugō Sakkaku ) - Illusion Technique String Bean Binding Illusion

Well for starters the rapid growing of vines would be rather unusual :/ .. Especially if we were fighting in an area that does not really support plant life..(cave, shore,mountain etc.) As My Man Noni stated .. there is no ninjutsu that controls plants ( although i would never rule out the possibility) I would be highly skeptical. The last way would simply be noticing the opponent merging from a tree.. pretty unusual ..

Realizing ( Genjutsu: Oshitsubusu Hebi Kubire ) - Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction
Genjutsu with living animals are difficult to figure out however. If the opponent were too ..vanish during the occurance of the snakes i would begin to question what was happening .. then if i focus real hard in my sense of touch i could determine whether or not i really feel them coiling around me .. (especially since this is only a B-Rank) Those are really the only reasons i have

Realizing ( Nehan Shōja no Jutsu ) - Temple of Nirvana Technique

The only real difficulty about realizing this one is the fact that it happens quickly ..If i suddenly began to drowse off during a fight? I would instnatly figure it was a genjutsu and release it .. The feathers are another dead give away


( Kokuangyo no Jutsu ) - Bringer-of-Darkness Technique

This is the easiest one IMO.. especially if were fighting during the day .. If i were to suddenly be trapped in a world of darkness .. I would ponder my situation .. i would move around a bit .. If i can remember my surroundings BEFORE the genjutsu was applied i could check to see if the same "landmarks" Are still there if not i would realize and release the genjutsu right away.

 

[Excālibur1]

(Genjutsu: Ingemame Ketsugō Sakkaku) - Illusion Technique String Bean Binding Illusion

If the opponent disappears to nowhere. We can assume that we are under Genjutsu, It is also possible that the opponent might have used Flying Thunder God or Space Time Jutsu as my Class Mate Noni said. There is no Ninjutsu for Plant life but there is Mokuton. But still it would be unusual of the Plant growing in areas where there can't be Plant Life as my Both Class Mates Stated.

(Genjutsu: Oshitsubusu Hebi Kubire) - Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction

This Genjutsu can be easily found out if the opponent can't summon Snakes. Snakes can be summoned and can be wraped around us. Snake has to travel through something to get to me as my Class Mate Noni said. Snakes always wrap around us and then bite on our head as Noni Said. If this does not happen, then we might be Under Genjutsu.

(Nehan Shōja no Jutsu) - Temple of Nirvana Technique

This can be an easy one to realize. The feathers falling from the sky is quite unusual. As Genjutsu disrupts the 5 Senses. Touch is also one of the senses. So if the feathers fell on me and I do not feel the touch, I can assume it as Genjutsu. But I must realize quickly because this puts me to sleep after 1 turn.

(Kokuangyo no Jutsu) - Bringer-of-Darkness Technique

This would be one of the easiest Genjutsu to realize. If it was a Sunny Day and suddenly, Darkness fell on my eyes. I can assume that I am under a Genjutsu. As this Genjutsu makes our Eye Sight Blind. The only way to break through is to pierce myself with a Weapon If i am alone.​

 

[Negative Knight]

Sorry about the late reply, had exams to deal with.

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Nice answers, though I'll expand on the parts you missed out.

1) I'm glad you all caught onto the sudden disappearance and the environment is used. If its used on you're positioned on top of/inside of a water source, this will be painfully easily to realize. Also, this technique doesn't seem to produce any growing sounds, giving away the fact that it isn't a real bean pod. Use those main inconsistencies to realize this genjutsu, and make sure your thought process isn't too complicated or too long. Also, don't cling to the argument that only Hashirama/Yamato can use Wood Release, some people in our RP have custom elements like Plant Release, which means they could produce a similar effect in reality.

Ideally say something like this "the 2nd Mizukage suddenly vanishes, leaving no trace of what so ever. Immediately afterwards, Mu sees many vines growing from the floor around yet (without being accompanied by growing sounds), which quickly lift him into the air and wrap around his body, completely constricting his movement in the process. Having full knowledge only Hashirama Senju, the First Hokage was the only one ever capable of manipulating trees, paired with the inconsistency of the Mizukage's sudden disappearance make the genjutsu glaringly obvious for a man of Muu's analytical caliber."

2) For this genjutsu, you're right its slightly more complicated. Your first reason (the moment the snakes appear) could be that all summons appear in a puff of smoke, but the snakes do not. As well as this, observe how the snakes emerge from the ground, in order to surface from underground they need to disturb the earth (form holes) and cause vibrations of some sort. Unless you're standing on water, its best to use the A-Ranked Chidori Nagashi the moment the snakes constrict you, saying that you use the electrical current to break the hold they have over you by paralyzing them.

3) Unless they have a bird summon and its vertically above you, this genjutsu is easy to realize. A mass of feathers floating down from the sky isn't possible in reality. However, if they say that they make the appearance of the feathers match the colour/design/texture of their bird summon (who's physically above you), instead focus directly on where the feathers fall from (the sky, not the bird).

4) On point with this, if there's no process behind the sudden darkness e.g. the opponent ripping both your eyes or using a blinding light of some sort to induce blindness, then this technique is very easy to realize.

Feel free to ask any questions you may have. As well as that, I want you to list the senses you think each of the above genjutsus effects (the four you just analyzed). Also, I want you to state what method you would use to break each of the following genjutsus.

 

[Excālibur1]

No Problem

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( Genjutsu: Ingemame Ketsugō Sakkaku ) - Illusion Technique String Bean Binding Illusion

It effects our Sense of Touch. We cannot sense the Vines since it is a Genjutsu. Usually a Sharingan User of 3 Tomoe can see through this Genjutsu. For the Non-Sharingan users, they may better use Kai or use their weapons to pierce their skin making their Senses back to normal.

( Genjutsu: Oshitsubusu Hebi Kubire ) - Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction

This Jutsu again effects the Sense of Touch. The way to break through it is through your Sharingan, Kai or Piercing.

( Nehan Shōja no Jutsu ) - Temple of Nirvana Technique

Who could expect Feathers coming out of nowhere from the sky? It effects our Field of Vision too. Many Feathers may blind our eyes, if exposed to it for more time. You are put to sleep. The way to break through is the three things i mentioned Above.

( Kokuangyo no Jutsu ) - Bringer-of-Darkness Technique

Anyone can answer this Question very simply. Your Eyes go dark without a spark of light anywhere means either your Eyes are taken out or you are under Genjutsu. You can use Sharingan, Kai or Piercing.

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All the Genjutsu disrupts the Vision of our eyes. Illusion occurs through our Eyes.​

 

[Noni]

( Genjutsu: Ingemame Ketsugō Sakkaku ) - Illusion Technique String Bean Binding Illusion​

What senses it effects: Well the purpose of the beams are for to bind the opponent and lifting them. So its easily touch because it must grab us.
How to get out of it: Well you must try to break through it right when you notice the beam growing and realize it is a genjutsu quickly, Best thing is to cut yourself and bring your sense's back or have a partner hit you or the opponent.

( Genjutsu: Oshitsubusu Hebi Kubire ) - Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction​

What senses it effects: The snake's purpose is to crush the opponent so this one as well is touch.
How to get out of it: Well the snakes are on the ground so a earth technique to perform to shake up the ground and ultimately disperse them or like you said you can use Nagashi.

( Nehan Shōja no Jutsu ) - Temple of Nirvana Technique​

What senses it effects: Sight because you first see the feathers come down, Then its touch because they will eventually come close to you.
How to get out of it: Blow away the feathers with a wind technique after realizing its a gen.

( Kokuangyo no Jutsu ) - Bringer-of-Darkness Technique​

What senses it effects: Of course its sight because everything becomes dark and you can't see anything.
How to get out of it: After realizing it, Trying to use a jutsu that requires great light to effect and break the darkness, Like lighting or fire.

 

[Zexion~]

( Genjutsu: Ingemame Ketsugō Sakkaku ) - Illusion Technique String Bean Binding Illusion
To escape this jutsu i would simply Cause an Abrupt disturbance in my chakra .. which is the common way to escape genjutsu.. seeing as this is a low class genjutsu it should be easily done

( Genjutsu: Oshitsubusu Hebi Kubire ) - Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction
To escape this jutsu i would simply Slice or destroy the snakes somehow .. With either a jutsu or a physical attack ..

( Nehan Shōja no Jutsu ) - Temple of Nirvana Technique
To escape this jutsu once i see the feathers coming down i would prepare myself for a Release from the jutsu ( a bigger .. larger chakra disturbance then for the first technique) Or simply as noni said blow away the feathers or dodge them if capable

( Kokuangyo no Jutsu ) - Bringer-of-Darkness Technique
To escape this jutsu the only real way i can think of is the basic chakra disturbance technique ..

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The way i see it from the manga is that the way to get rid of genjutsu was to disturb chakra .. hence the "Release" Technique .. So thats why i inculded alot of that

 

[Negative Knight]

( Genjutsu: Oshitsubusu Hebi Kubire ) - Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction
To escape this jutsu i would simply Slice or destroy the snakes somehow .. With either a jutsu or a physical attack ..

( Nehan Shōja no Jutsu ) - Temple of Nirvana Technique
To escape this jutsu once i see the feathers coming down i would prepare myself for a Release from the jutsu ( a bigger .. larger chakra disturbance then for the first technique) Or simply as noni said blow away the feathers or dodge them if capable

( Nehan Shōja no Jutsu ) - Temple of Nirvana Technique​

What senses it effects: Sight because you first see the feathers come down, Then its touch because they will eventually come close to you.
How to get out of it: Blow away the feathers with a wind technique after realizing its a gen.

( Kokuangyo no Jutsu ) - Bringer-of-Darkness Technique​

What senses it effects: Of course its sight because everything becomes dark and you can't see anything.
How to get out of it: After realizing it, Trying to use a jutsu that requires great light to effect and break the darkness, Like lighting or fire.

Good work on the senses it affects, but there seems to be some misunderstanding in how to counter Genjutsu. Notice how you guys said things like "blow away the feathers", "slice the snakes" and "use a jutsu which generates light to counter the darkness". Doing those things would make you fall into the worst trap of all. Genjutsus are illusionary techniques, they only occur in the mind of whoever is affected, anything created e.g. feathers, in a genjutsu won't manifest itself in reality. Genjutsus fool your mind into seeing these things, they can't actually change anything in the environment around you. Blowing away feathers which don't exist ? Slicing snakes which aren't there ? These things would lead to your downfall since they won't affect the genjutsu in the slightest. The key to breaking Genjutsu is banishing your opponent's foreign chakra from your body, and thus regaining full control of your senses.

There are three ways to do this:
-Inflict enough pain to yourself so to break the genjutsu. Its known as the Pain Release Method
-A full body surge of chakra
-Kai

Before we delve into this, I want you to read the following page fully and make sure you grasp everything about Genjutsu. Once you do so, ask any and all questions which come to mind, I'll be glad to answer them ^^

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[Excālibur1]

I have no Questions Sensei.

 

[Zexion~]

Alright i Understand now .. no physical attacks

Alright i think i understand the basics of genjutsu now .

 

[Noni]

Let's continue!! I understand and read everything.

 

[Negative Knight]

Alright, now I want you to explain each of the following methods of release:

-Kai
-Pain Release
-Full body Surge

Explain them in as much detail as possible. For Kai, I want you to explain up to what rank Genjutsus its breaks and what are the limits of the jutsu.

For the Pain release method, try to find the link between the amount of pain required and the rank of the Genjutsu you're in. If you can, find me "how much" pain can break each rank of Genjutsus.

For the full body surge method, explain it to me (in detail) and which canon techniques are considered full body surges.

Anything you miss out on or make a mistake with, I'll be sure to correct you or elaborate ^^

 

[Noni]

Kai- Genjutsu Kai is when ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra. It can break up to D-S-Rank Genjutsus. Anything else I don't really know.

Pain- Well Pain is good to use and the quickest. The more pain you put the higher the rank it can break. The amount of pain and rank are very simple. If you are castes a D-Rank Genjutsu then a simple cut on the wrist should break it. C to B- Rank can be broken by probably stabbing a kunai in the leg, It should be able to break it. For A to S- Rank a long cut through the arm or a deep stab should break it.

Body surges- Well this a little difficult but I will explain it the best I can. Full body surges are when some one casts a jutsu that requires chakra from all over the body to move rapidly, Faster then the opponents who is casting the genjutsu. By doing this you disrupt the flow of your opponent chakra. Best jutsu to use well this is the hard part.
I can't think of any really.


I think I did a bad job here NK, Forgive me on this one.