Neji vs Shino

[Reborn]

You have a point about Choji.

I'm new to this forum, so I still have to learn how the characters are treated. Everywhere else I go I have to defend certain ones.

Shino was highly underrated in that Hinata vs Shino fight made about a week or so back.


Agreed. It'll also be difficult for Neji. Byakugan can help him see the bugs and he's faster, but he'll need a way to not get overwhelmed and end up getting tired.

I forgot about that, but here's a lesson about this base and most Naruto (series) fans. Everybody loves Hinata...90% of people love Hinata. I would say in that case...it was Hinata fanboism rather then Shino underration, although the love of one character over the other leads to the lesser of the two being underrated so you're right there. I say with faith (hopefully not vain faith) in my other NB members, most truely don't believe Hinata>Shino

Rotation helps in fending off the bugs, and even if bugs make contact there is the full body blow, which will the bugs won't have time enough to eat the chakra as it's an unexpected burst.

Shino's best bet is to barrage Neji first, get to some hidden ground and attempt to surround him and continue to overwhelm him until he runs out of chakra. That being said it will be highly difficult for him to do so. Both have a good enough chance of beating the other but honestly speaking Neji does have a solid enough defense against Shino to fair against him in a fight.

 

[Tangerine]

I forgot about that, but here's a lesson about this base and most Naruto (series) fans. Everybody loves Hinata...90% of people love Hinata. I would say in that case...it was Hinata fanboism rather then Shino underration, although the love of one character over the other leads to the lesser of the two being underrated so you're right there. I say with faith (hopefully not vain faith) in my other NB members, most truely don't believe Hinata>Shino

No kidding. :|
It's still considered underration, isn't it? Hinata was overrated in that fight, because of her Protection move.
Hope not. xd

Rotation helps in fending off the bugs, and even if bugs make contact there is the full body blow, which will the bugs won't have time enough to eat the chakra as it's an unexpected burst.

Agreed on Rotation.
It's never explain how long it takes for the bugs to start feasting or long it takes for the target to get chakra exhausted. I always assumed it was instant/pretty quick. The closest I can get is Shino's fight with Kankuro. The Puppeter was lying down unmoving is a such a short time.
I was thinking that since the bugs are "designed" to feast on chakra they may have strong "jaws" for a better grip, making it hard to knock em off. Of course, I'm only guessing. :shrug:

Shino's best bet is to barrage Neji first, get to some hidden ground and attempt to surround him and continue to overwhelm him until he runs out of chakra. That being said it will be highly difficult for him to do so. Both have a good enough chance of beating the other but honestly speaking Neji does have a solid enough defense against Shino to fair against him in a fight.

Agreed.

 

[Reborn]

No kidding. :|
It's still considered underration, isn't it? Hinata was overrated in that fight, because of her Protection move.
Hope not. xd


Agreed on Rotation.
It's never explain how long it takes for the bugs to start feasting or long it takes for the target to get chakra exhausted. I always assumed it was instant/pretty quick. The closest I can get is Shino's fight with Kankuro. The Puppeter was lying down unmoving is a such a short time.
I was thinking that since the bugs are "designed" to feast on chakra they may have strong "jaws" for a better grip, making it hard to knock em off. Of course, I'm only guessing. :shrug:



Agreed.

Lol, I'm dont' think they were like leeches. What they did with Kankuro was not eat his chakra strings, but crawl up them, leading to Kankuro's position (you can tell this is true, as when Kankuro released his strings, all the bugs in the line fell with the threads) Regardless if they would be hard to knock off, I'm almost certian that they'd be easier to knock off then a Zetsu clone, which the full body blow completly detached from Neji when it was attached to him.

Hinata's the best though

 

[Tangerine]

Lol, I'm dont' think they were like leeches. What they did with Kankuro was not eat his chakra strings, but crawl up them, leading to Kankuro's position (you can tell this is true, as when Kankuro released his strings, all the bugs in the line fell with the threads) Regardless if they would be hard to knock off, I'm almost certian that they'd be easier to knock off then a Zetsu clone, which the full body blow completly detached from Neji when it was attached to him.

Hinata's the best though :overjoy:

They attach themselves to their victims and drain their chakra. They're a lot like leeches.

Kankuro position was actually lead when Shino faux-punched Kankuro near the beginning of the fight (to place a female bug). The whole "crawling on the chakra strings" was a destraction so that Kankuro wouldn't notice the male bugs following the female's sent. Shino typically fights by hiding a "true" Trump Card under one or two "false" ones.
I'm also almost certain Kankuro cut off his chakra strings just in time. He did have an "oh shit!" moment.

It was explained in the manga that if so many insects attack their prey in numbers, the target will be finished. Because they naturally feed on the chakra of their prey they should be able to quickly immobilise their prey. You wouldn't want your food source escaping. At least they could weaken Neji considerably if some did manage to go on before being blasted. The blast would probably not be as full-effective if that's the case.
The overwhelm and gradually weaken Neji idea works best. Especially if Shino uses at least one false trump card.

Shino>Hinata and Neji>Hinata. xd

 

[MangekyouJ]

You all read but not you all understand... Neji as a genin took on (single handedly) two cloud jounins, correction...the byakugan doesnt have a blind spot since it doesnt just see things but chakra, you all are sayin Neji needs to get close to kill... Correction,=he doesnt, he can do air wall palm and mountain crushers,(long range attacks), shino's bugs take time to drain your chakra,neji faster and smater than shino, neji could pin point were to strike to kill 2 kisami clones while in a water cell...dont 4 get his 32, 64 and128 palms strikes,even with bug shield that wud take out shino 4 good....Neji uses gentle fist i.e with his byakugan he can see the flow of ur chakra and wit a 'gentle' tap of his fist can disrupt ur chakra flow killing you from the inside, Neji was made jounin before shino...interpretation NEJI IS STRONGER THAN SHINO,..in a fight i wud prefer HYUUGA NEJI ON MY SIDE

What 2 cloud jounin did Neji take down again?? Also remember he lost to Naruto who was classified as a dumb loser dropout genin. So just because you say Neji is smarter than Shino doesn't give the green light to say he'd win. Neji was "smarter" than Naruto and he still lost. Just because you make an upper class doesn't make you better. So you mean to tell me that Neji who is an S-class Jounin is better than Naruto....a genin?? Pick you battles and know your roles before you speak dude....pointless point you were trying to prove......just sayin....

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.....uuhhhhhh...No....

Wow.... just wow.... almost no people in favor of neji. Nejis rotation may be a massive release of chakra, but its a rotating mass of chakra. The bugs won't be able to feed off of it because the chakra itself is repelling them.

If shino didn't have chakra, then his bugs wouldn't respond to him. After all the trade off for an aburame is to give the bugs your body and chakra, and they will give you complete control over them.

Tsk tsk.....it's not a repelling chakra....his chakra is only pushing him in a spiral...giving the repelling effect. If Neji engages Shino is close combat hand to hand....it doesn't take much to take a few punches to put bugs on the body of his opponent...

You mistake that just because he blocks off a chakra point....the bugs are still there at his command. He doesn't have to use chakra to control his bugs because the tradeoff is already in effect......next case.....just sayin.....

Just in case this post is serious,

The Byakugan does have a blindspot, Neji almost died during the chunin exams because of it and Neji even says there's one. Why would you say it doesn't? And Neji did not take on those cloud ninja by himself as a genin, yes he drew them away and got in a few hits but his uncle came and saved him when he was about to be killed by one of them. Stopping chakra flow doesn't kill you, assuming he can get close to Shino who has good evasive skills and is at least as smart as Neji maybe a little smarter. Also being a Jonin does not mean you're the best ninja in the world (Naruto and that old guy were genin kickin a**) so I wouldn't invest much of my argument in that either.

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1. Show me where in the manga a Genin Neji takes on two Jounins

2. Byakugan does have a blindspot. Pay attention to the manga.

3. 128 Strikes doesn't exist in the manga.

4. It takes more than a gentle tap to kill someone. Even with the Jyuken


Your argument is weak. Try harder next time.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^is too fukkin funny and agreeable...rep+

Wow!!! Neji is being vastly underestimated here its ridiculous...all Ninjutsu is Chakra based so are you guys implying that Shino can beat anyone who uses ninjutsu; that is absurd!!! I haven't seen anyone so far bring up the fact that Neji is a user of the Byukagan and Shino is going to have a hard time mobilizing a vast amount of bugs without them being detected. It's hard to say who would win in a 1v1 but the Byukagan and gentle fist definately gives Neji the edge imo. Saying Shino wins by a landslide is just ignorant....

Kakashi even said that Shino could be very dangerous if taken lightly. Shinos bugs do more than suck chakra. (No pun intended). Yes it's their main function, but they're also sensors.....

Gentle fist is a ranged attack...Shino is a Range-fighter.....really?? You think that Shino is that weak that he wouldn't see it coming...Neji is a genius up close, to me he's ranks 4th in Tai under Gai, Kakashi, and Lee....Neji's popularity has gotten you guys thinking lop-sided.......just sayin....

 

[Reborn]

What 2 cloud jounin did Neji take down again?? Also remember he lost to Naruto who was classified as a dumb loser dropout genin. So just because you say Neji is smarter than Shino doesn't give the green light to say he'd win. Neji was "smarter" than Naruto and he still lost. Just because you make an upper class doesn't make you better. So you mean to tell me that Neji who is an S-class Jounin is better than Naruto....a genin?? Pick you battles and know your roles before you speak dude....pointless point you were trying to prove......just sayin....




.....uuhhhhhh...No....




Tsk tsk.....it's not a repelling chakra....his chakra is only pushing him in a spiral...giving the repelling effect. If Neji engages Shino is close combat hand to hand....it doesn't take much to take a few punches to put bugs on the body of his opponent...

You mistake that just because he blocks off a chakra point....the bugs are still there at his command. He doesn't have to use chakra to control his bugs because the tradeoff is already in effect......next case.....just sayin.....



Now THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I agree with




THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^is too fukkin funny and agreeable...rep+



Kakashi even said that Shino could be very dangerous if taken lightly. Shinos bugs do more than suck chakra. (No pun intended). Yes it's their main function, but they're also sensors.....

Gentle fist is a ranged attack...Shino is a Range-fighter.....really?? You think that Shino is that weak that he wouldn't see it coming...Neji is a genius up close, to me he's ranks 4th in Tai under Gai, Kakashi, and Lee....Neji's popularity has gotten you guys thinking lop-sided.......just sayin....

I take it you take believe Shino wins this match...

 

[MangekyouJ]

They attach themselves to their victims and drain their chakra. They're a lot like leeches.

Kankuro position was actually lead when Shino faux-punched Kankuro near the beginning of the fight (to place a female bug). The whole "crawling on the chakra strings" was a destraction so that Kankuro wouldn't notice the male bugs following the female's sent. Shino typically fights by hiding a "true" Trump Card under one or two "false" ones.
I'm also almost certain Kankuro cut off his chakra strings just in time. He did have an "oh shit!" moment.

It was explained in the manga that if so many insects attack their prey in numbers, the target will be finished. Because they naturally feed on the chakra of their prey they should be able to quickly immobilise their prey. You wouldn't want your food source escaping. At least they could weaken Neji considerably if some did manage to go on before being blasted. The blast would probably not be as full-effective if that's the case.
The overwhelm and gradually weaken Neji idea works best. Especially if Shino uses at least one false trump card.

Shino>Hinata and Neji>Hinata. xd

Kankuro didn't make it...the female was already in his clothes....that's why Shino is so dangerous. I can somewhat bet that if Shino did go with Naruto, Neji, Kiba, Choji, and Shika team to retreive Sasuke....they would've accomplished that mission. I do have to agree that with so many bugs deployed at one time, scattered to attack in the event that it does draw into close quarter combat...once the bugs get you....it's over...Tobi almost got a good eating about that....so teleportation was the only way to get out of it....I mean substitusion can't fool them....just saying.....

 

[MangekyouJ]

I take it you take believe Shino wins this match...

Yeah, it'll be hands down....but it wouldn't be an easy fight, unless Neji goes on a relentless Konoha bully beatdown from the jump and I mean beat him til he's unconcious...Neji would lose.....just sayin....

 

[jghayes]

This is a great fight between fighters who drain chakra. seeing as neji's trigram goes out a pretty lengthy distance i think if he is at a mid range he may be able to just get shino immediately. but that's if he can act fast enough. if its a lengthy fight shino will most likely win eventually unless neji can find a way to neutralize the bugs.

 

[MangekyouJ]

This is a great fight between fighters who drain chakra. seeing as neji's trigram goes out a pretty lengthy distance i think if he is at a mid range he may be able to just get shino immediately. but that's if he can act fast enough. if its a lengthy fight shino will most likely win eventually unless neji can find a way to neutralize the bugs.

And that's what we've been saying this whole debate....unless Neji and beatdown Shino from jump, or find a way to neutralize the bugs from a "just in case" lengthy fight....he's fukked....lol

.....just sayin.....:no_ignore:

 

[jghayes]

And that's what we've been saying this whole debate....unless Neji and beatdown Shino from jump, or find a way to neutralize the bugs from a "just in case" lengthy fight....he's fukked....lol

.....just sayin.....:no_ignore:

i normally just read like three posts then scroll to the bottom and say my thoughts... too much bulll and ignorance to read all the posts usually lol. but thanks.

 

[H1dd3nD3m0n]

il go for shino

 

[9jakakashi]

Shino has never lost in manga simply because he has neva fought some stronger or in a higher level than him,HE ISNT BETER THAN NEJI

 

[9jakakashi]

Omg...are there blind people around!... The byakugan would see through most of shino's techniques... It would be pretty difficult 4 neji to win but bugs can die,... To drain some1s chakra would not be an easy fit, neji cant do kage bunshin but can do substitution as distraction,...Neji loosing to naruto has only 1 explanation... Naruto is the hero, naruto loosing would change the course of the series...i dont mean shino would end up like hinata but i think shino would lose...

 

[Tangerine]

Shino has never lost in manga simply because he has neva fought some stronger or in a higher level than him,HE ISNT BETER THAN NEJI

You make it sound as if Shino's opponents were way below him when they weren't. They were around his level (as well as older) and could have beaten him, but Shino had the upperhand in strategy. He won, because he was smarter.

Omg...are there blind people around!... The byakugan would see through most of shino's techniques... It would be pretty difficult 4 neji to win but bugs can die,... To drain some1s chakra would not be an easy fit, neji cant do kage bunshin but can do substitution as distraction,...Neji loosing to naruto has only 1 explanation... Naruto is the hero, naruto loosing would change the course of the series...i dont mean shino would end up like hinata but i think shino would lose...

Seeing is different from reacting. Does Neji have a way to avoid hundreds of insects? (Why do people keep thinking Byagukan allows the user to avoid moves just because they can see them?) A Hyuga must train their body to react to what their Byagukan can see. Thankfully for Neji he's speedy and has access to a couple of long-range techniques that may help him keep the bugs at bay.
But Shino has the advantage in numbers. As long as he stays out of the way and tires Neji out he may have a chance.

 

[MangekyouJ]

Omg...are there blind people around!... The byakugan would see through most of shino's techniques... It would be pretty difficult 4 neji to win but bugs can die,... To drain some1s chakra would not be an easy fit, neji cant do kage bunshin but can do substitution as distraction,...Neji loosing to naruto has only 1 explanation... Naruto is the hero, naruto loosing would change the course of the series...i dont mean shino would end up like hinata but i think shino would lose...

Substitutions wouldn't distract the bugs because they track their victims by chakra...Shino even said so himself.Naruto lost to quite a few people...Sasuke, Sai....

 

[black uchiha]

Shino or a draw. Even if neji gets close his bugs will still drain his chakra and take him out at the same time. Side note, shino has never lost in the manga

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Yes yes I agree that Shino would win. I do have a question regarding the two of them though, or rather ability usage.

1) Are chakra points generally the same in everyone or it based on the person? and does Neji's gentle touch taijutsu send his own chakra into their points to shut them down, or does he just hit them? If he just hits them he doesn't need chakra, he'd be tired but he could do it.

2) We know that Shino's bugs feed off of his chakra so do they have their own chakra stores, or is it like if his chakra gets shut off then it's like a light switch for them and they just turn to normal bugs?

1)Yes he puts his chakra into his opponent, and yes the points are the same (more or less)
2)No it don't work like that, the bugs take payment (chakra) before their job (fight), so if shino chakra is stopped the bugs would still do as he says

You all read but not you all understand... Neji as a genin took on (single handedly) two cloud jounins, correction...the byakugan doesnt have a blind spot since it doesnt just see things but chakra, you all are sayin Neji needs to get close to kill... Correction,=he doesnt, he can do air wall palm and mountain crushers,(long range attacks), shino's bugs take time to drain your chakra,neji faster and smater than shino, neji could pin point were to strike to kill 2 kisami clones while in a water cell...dont 4 get his 32, 64 and128 palms strikes,even with bug shield that wud take out shino 4 good....Neji uses gentle fist i.e with his byakugan he can see the flow of ur chakra and wit a 'gentle' tap of his fist can disrupt ur chakra flow killing you from the inside, Neji was made jounin before shino...interpretation NEJI IS STRONGER THAN SHINO,..in a fight i wud prefer HYUUGA NEJI ON MY SIDE

Look at the other people post to this and you'll see whats wrong with yours (I have one below)

Wow.... just wow.... almost no people in favor of neji. Nejis rotation may be a massive release of chakra, but its a rotating mass of chakra. The bugs won't be able to feed off of it because the chakra itself is repelling them.

If shino didn't have chakra, then his bugs wouldn't respond to him. After all the trade off for an aburame is to give the bugs your body and chakra, and they will give you complete control over them.

Look at my #2 above

Just in case this post is serious,

The Byakugan does have a blindspot, Neji almost died during the chunin exams because of it and Neji even says there's one. Why would you say it doesn't? And Neji did not take on those cloud ninja by himself as a genin, yes he drew them away and got in a few hits but his uncle came and saved him when he was about to be killed by one of them. Stopping chakra flow doesn't kill you, assuming he can get close to Shino who has good evasive skills and is at least as smart as Neji maybe a little smarter. Also being a Jonin does not mean you're the best ninja in the world (Naruto and that old guy were genin kickin a**) so I wouldn't invest much of my argument in that either.

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Could go either way, even with Shino's bugs, Neji can keep at bay with his mid-ranged air palm. Unless Shino knows where Neji's blind spot is, he can't really hide to make clones or use his insects to ambush him as Neji can pretty much see around and through most objects, not to mention one's chakra.

That being said, it'll be hard to catch him off guards. If the bugs do get on him full body blow to push them off. Yes Shino's bugs eat chakra but at a speed of such a technique where it's just one simple burst and it's gone, they can't really do much against that. A similar aspect could be said with rotation, if the jutsu could actually rotate the insects upon impact, deflecting them as they as soon as they touch him, before they can get a proper hold on the chakra to begin to eat it.

Remember these insects are living and they don't absorb chakra right off the bat, they devour it meaning they have to get a propor hold on it to begin to do so, even if they can do it rather rapidly. Neji's full body blow is a rapid pulse and if my theory about rotation is correct, they won't have time enough begin eating through the jutsu before they're deflected.

Now Neji's physical attributes exceed Shino's. He's faster then Shino and he has vastly superior taijutsu then Shino. Shino and Neji's intellect are more or less the same, but in different categories. Shino's strategies lay in surprise attacks, getting his Kikaichi to surprise you and latch onto you to begin eating your chakra, while Neji's intellect is pure combat genius, meaning he analyzes the situation and simply reacts accordingly. Shino's fighting style will be difficult against a hyuuga simply because the Byakugan is so versitile that it can detect the small insects at a near 360 degree vision and can tell the difference between a clone like Shino's where Shino will be a complex organism and the insects won't be and he can distinquish between one over the other.

I'm just defending Neji because it's mostly onesided with Shino (which isn't a surprise. I don't get how people consider him underrated )

I agree for the most except the bold Shino is far smarter then Neji. It won't be a easy win for him but Shino would take this.....

and as for the full body blow, what would happen if the bugs covered him would he hurt himself like the sound guy wind cannons

also the bugs could get inside neji as they do shino and drain him from the inside, how many times has neji looked at himself...I can't think of any, but Shino could fake getting hit or swinging at Neji and plant some bugs on him (like the sound guy) without him knowing

Moreover this fight is a chakra battle all of Neji's moves use chakra None/most of Shino's don't....

Sidenote: in the move Shino's bugs ate metal ships in sec...if we are looking at all info sources

Honestly speaking I've seen very little shino underration on this fourm, same goes for Neji. The more underrated peoples are/were Choji, Tenten, and ino

I say were because now everybody is starting to hop on Choji because of butterfly mode.

Lol no their right where they are at...lol

 

[black uchiha]

You make it sound as if Shino's opponents were way below him when they weren't. They were around his level (as well as older) and could have beaten him, but Shino had the upperhand in strategy. He won, because he was smarter.



Seeing is different from reacting. Does Neji have a way to avoid hundreds of insects? (Why do people keep thinking Byagukan allows the user to avoid moves just because they can see them?) A Hyuga must train their body to react to what their Byagukan can see. Thankfully for Neji he's speedy and has access to a couple of long-range techniques that may help him keep the bugs at bay.
But Shino has the advantage in numbers. As long as he stays out of the way and tires Neji out he may have a chance.

@ the bold...right he was caught by kisame, and kidomaru so just because he can see it dont mean he can avoid it (just like sasuke)

 

[UKCmasterkeybladeninja]

neji cause he my dude ya he is a genius he will find away out

 

[sG Taka]

If Neji gets close-range, he wins. If Shino is able to make the able mid-to-long range, he wins. Neji's Empty Palm is deadly. And besides, I doubt Shino's bugs can eat through Neji's Heavenly Spin.