Exactly , which is after she is placed in a disadvantageous position from the initial re-direction , so her spinning around and one shotting Neji via elbow like she did with the zetsu posing as him isn't a realistic transition when one is a Master of Taijutsu among the simple logic that Sakura would still be constrained to the biomechanics of her force being redirected , so she being unfazed by the Rod isn't relevant here.
Thats like saying if Sakura gets her momentum shifted while trying a heavy punch , then she wont get off-balance because she was unfazed by TSB Rod , which doesn't make sense..
she would be since neji would need to constantly redirect her fists and at same time keeping with direct or indirect hits from her legs
The disadvantage for neji here is he would need to land multiple hits on her or while dodging all the direct and indirect hits since one of them will end in instant ko
also i do believe she can extend the chakra to most part of her hands rather than just fists since tsunade was able to do lift bunta's sword via chakra enhancement.since lifting and trowing would require enormous strength of whole hand rather than fists
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It would seem Tsunade's "outrageous strength" completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning. To give things a name, by instantly collecting chakra into her fist and fingers, she obtains a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve.
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-One finger, and Naruto cannot close in on her. And she can handle Gamabunta's huge dosu** with absurd ease...?!
-The kind of might that opens craters into the ground in one blow!!
since she cannot use direct ground punch there
all off the k11 will get affected by it along with naruto;sasuke and other shinobis :|
Kicks can be dodged easier than the punches. He's a Taijutsu master who can most likely physically evade and/or keep up with Lee's swift high speed kicks while in 2nd Gate so im not sure why Sakura's kicks would blitz him or put him in a position where he cant counter. In Taijutsu , movements play a big part in how it flows , one simple movement from a superior fighter can instantly put the inferior fighter in a bad position and Neji's style is a fighting style made up of circular movements, allowing the practitioner a wider range of motion and full use of momentum, without giving his opponent much of a chance for a direct kick/fist while simultaneously staying in close quarters.
or he could have just used rotation to counter them.take in account it took naruto's chakra shroud to counder neji unfinshed rotation so rotation would be perfect counter to lee before 3rd gate
Jyuken's circular evasive nature is shown by the practice of moving behind/around an attacker, so that the opponent cannot easily harm the practitioner.
only one he did that was base naruto and hinata.He had massive speed advantage over both
The form's movements employ the whole body with smooth coiling and uncoiling actions to dodge quick jabs/hooks and thrusts, utilizing swift hand techniques to ward away airborn attacks with minimal force , Rapid-fire movements draw energy from the center of the abdomen which allows for quick bobbing and weaving to dodge sweeping kicks and the circular stepping pattern also builds up centripetal force, allowing the practitioner to maneuver quickly around an opponent in Taijutsu.
yes naruto and hinata
neji had 3 in speed compared to naruto and hinata who had 2 and hinata who same but inferior fighting style
If he does that then her body would be swayed to the side and in that instant she wouldn't be able to kick the ground due to shift of balance from the re-direction forcing her to re-adjust before committing to a kick meanwhile all it takes is 4 jabs to block the chakra circulation in a limb along with the fact that he'd know which limb Sakura attempts to attack with by seeing the Chakra built up for release and react accordingly.
nope him redirecting her hands does not mean she would lose balance when hinata was able to fight fine after the redirection.Sakura was unwavered by stabbing from TSB rod she is not getting swayed to side if part 1 hinata didn't
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Chakra is released on impact from the Tenketsu directly on the fist , he would have no reason to touch the part imbued with Chakra because he wont attempt to Block or oppose her power. Neji would literally have to meet her fist or foot.
sakura should most likely be able to imbue a large portion of her hands with chakra like Tsunade considering she mastered pinnacle of chakra control and CES is application of it
Sakura will not let him attack herself......Secondly, Neji can not really protect himeself from Sakura's destrective punches like he did with hinata.......Both of them knows about each other jutsu's but Neji doesn't really have something that can make him wins against Sakura by the end of the war....
she would be since neji would need to constantly redirect her fists and at same time keeping with direct or indirect hits from her legs
The disadvantage for neji here is he would need to land multiple hits on her or while dodging all the direct and indirect hits since one of them will end in instant ko
also i do believe she can extend the chakra to most part of her hands rather than just fists since tsunade was able to do lift bunta's sword via chakra enhancement.since lifting and trowing would require enormous strength of whole hand rather than fists
-Im addressing when the first heavy punch is thrown which when re-directed in the manner i presented gives Neji a opening. Im specifically talking about a scenario where Sakura opens up with a exact punch like this..>
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If Neji re-directs that punch similar to this..
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He'd gain a small window to quickly press 4 Tenketsu in that arm which is all he'd need to Block the flow in that arm. The whole reason why he was praised by Hiruzen is due to this aspect of his ability , he can jab fairy quickly so by War he should be proficient enough to do this with the right openings.
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-Thats true about Bunta's blade , tho i honestly dont see how that would stop her limb from getting redirected if she attempts a direct one-shot heavy punch. Him nudging her fist to the side would still result in her arm being moved to the side.
And from the start i was never talking about the Ground punch , never. I was highlighting that specific heavy punch she did against the Juubling and wat she attempted against Karui. I was putting Neji on the other end of that specific attempt and if u look back to the first time i quoted u i made sure to cement this to u , so i dont know why ur bringing up ground punches.:dunno:
or he could have just used rotation to counter them.take in account it took naruto's chakra shroud to counder neji unfinshed rotation so rotation would be perfect counter to lee before 3rd gate
Its also heavily implied that he learnt and/or perfected Rotation after the prelims since the finals is a two month Time-skip where everyone involved gained new abilities. Tenten saying "Not a single scratch on u , Its PerfectNeji" implies him likely not having the tech for very long imo.
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Which strongly implies that Neji likely wasn't always proficient in perfectly emitting Chakra from his whole Body much less Kaiten. Its heavily implied that the reason Neji was superior to Lee was due to his Genius Taijutsu prowess , Reaction and precision.
Him being massively superior to Hinata in speed didn't stop her from using her circular movements while fighting. Him being inferior to Lee in speed shouldn't mean he cant utilize his circular movements when fighting Lee.
nope him redirecting her hands does not mean she would lose balance when hinata was able to fight fine after the redirection.Sakura was unwavered by stabbing from TSB rod she is not getting swayed to side if part 1 hinata didn't
The only time he re-directed and used Hinata's momentum against her slightly similar to wat im saying is here.
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Sakura doesn't use the Gentle fist style and she tends to go in for Heavy hits not subtle thrusts which is all Hinata does/did. While Sakura uses a totally different style of combat aimed for one shotting with a heavy hits. Check back to the first time i quoted u in the thread where i specifically said that if Sakura opens up the fight with her signature heavy punch which i gave scans for.
-I already addressed this but im just going to run it agin . This is a Heavy hit bottom left panel , take note of Sakura's feet and arm..
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If Neji re-directed that swing similar to the manner i presented..
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Then she would be pivoted to the left as she's being carried by the momentum of her swing and elongated body , shifting her balance. This is only if she opens with that specific attack , which is basically her canon opener. I think it obvious she wouldn't attempt this in canon against Neji , but i quoted u to show u how i think he can counter her in Taijjutsu.
sakura should most likely be able to imbue a large portion of her hands with chakra like Tsunade considering she mastered pinnacle of chakra control and CES is application of it
The Chakra is built up then released from the fist , why would it blaze through his limb if he re-directs the fist away from himself in a manner such as this?
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What would she release the Chakra into? she cant release her shattering strength without striking in some form so how could she possibly release that strength the moment his fist makes contact with hers when i already made it clear that he'll specifically avoid her fists using his style?
You're surmising that CES is constrained to linear punches even though Sakura can just swat away Neji's attack as
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and Neji would be dismembered immediately. I still am not convinced of this regardless because if all it took was one gentle tap, then Kabuto wouldn't have been constrained to evasive maneuvers while battling Rusty Tsunade; someone with even less finesse than Sakura does.
That said, I find your argument is tenuous to begin with solely because your argument has only predicted the outcome of Neji parrying a punch from Sakura, but what happens if attempts to land a flying kick for instance? How would he be able to parry it? I'm not convinced that mere gentle taps are capable of deflecting Sakura's gargantuan strength, there's just very little credence in that.
If u bothered to read the first quote i sent to Blaze then u would know that im directly addressing that specifc style of Punch since she did it multiple times in the Manga so i just gave a small scenario to wat i think would happen if she initiated the attack in that manner even tho logically i know in Character Sakura wouldn't attempt that punch against Neji.
-Neji doesn't just attack , he watches the enemies attack pattern and reacts accordingly at precise moments , he doesn't blindly attack and only does so after seeing/creating a opening to strike tenketsu quickly.
I still am not convinced of this regardless because if all it took was one gentle tap, then Kabuto wouldn't have been constrained to evasive maneuvers while battling Rusty Tsunade; someone with even less finesse than Sakura does.
Kabuto himself made special note that Taijutsu wasn't his forte so why would u expect him to be diverse in these Taijutsu movements , nor does he even utilize or is a Master the Gentle fist fighting style which is heavily focused on the alteration and deflection of momentum following the path of least resistance being rooted into the Art , not to mention he isn't even close to Tsunade's skill in Taijutsu so obviously he'd opt for a precision based assault when she cant properly defend..
Ntn even suggests that Sakura would have more finesse/skill than Rusty Tsunade at all when Sakura doesn't have any skilled feats unlike Rusty and drunk Tsunade who actually showed Taijutsu finesse and already had a 5 in Taijutsu to note her skill , meanwhile all we have with Sakura is superior CES feats if one thinks smashing the ground>>smashing through Susano'o at leats.
That said, I find your argument is tenuous to begin with solely because your argument has only predicted the outcome of Neji parrying a punch from Sakura, but what happens if attempts to land a flying kick for instance? How would he be able to parry it? I'm not convinced that mere gentle taps are capable of deflecting Sakura's gargantuan strength, there's just very little credence in that.
Thats fine not everyone is meant to see eye to eye eveytime , But again if u bothered to read my first quote then you'd know that i addressed that punch simply because she did it twice as her signature opening punch so i simply gave my thoughts on how i see Neji countering that specific punch.
-If she attempts a flying dive kick instead then a circle-step transitioned into a quick flex of Rotation right when she's passing him mid-flight should knock her away before her feet hits the ground after missing Neji , or he could maneuver quickly with a turn then elbow her when she's passing. That or he could simply use Air-Palm and target the elevated foot or her head depending on wat specific flying kick u envisioned..
-The re-direction is more-so a guide rather than a outright deflection , and that specifc re-direction is only applicable against the specifc heavy punch Sakura used against the Juubi spawn which is why i simply gave a scenario to work off of.
-If Sakura launches that linear heavy punch and Neji reacts in the manner i presented , then why exactly wouldn't Neji be able to guide her arm when he isn't even trying to contest Sakura's force or her CES but instead simply flowing her arm to the side with no resistance? The punch itself would've already been evaded with a small pivot of the torso followed by the subtle re-direction and guidance of her arm with his palm.
If u bothered to read the first quote i sent to Blaze then u would know that im directly addressing that specifc style of Punch since she did it multiple times in the Manga so i just gave a small scenario to wat i think would happen if she initiated the attack in that manner even tho logically i know in Character Sakura wouldn't attempt that punch against Neji.
-Neji doesn't just attack , he watches the enemies attack pattern and reacts accordingly at precise moments , he doesn't blindly attack and only does so after seeing/creating a opening to strike tenketsu quickly.
I didn't, many of your guys' posts are egregiously long, so I generally skim through and discern what points stuck out to me the most and this was it.
What you described with Neji is exactly the case with Sakura. She is one of the most superb and prolific analysts in the manga, managing to discern the movements of Sasori's Iron Sand completely and succeeding in orienting her body in response to it and counter-attacking with incredible precision as she did here:
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Problem is, both are superb analysts in battle, but one mistake from Neji cannot be rectified since a mere tap from Sakura is fatal. In contrast, Sakura doesn't have to fret over a trivial mistake since she can soak hits, restrain her opponent, and retaliate accordingly.
Kabuto himself made special note that Taijutsu wasn't his forte so why would u expect him to be diverse in these Taijutsu movements , nor does he even utilize or is a Master the Gentle fist fighting style which is heavily focused on the alteration and deflection of momentum following the path of least resistance being rooted into the Art , not to mention he isn't even close to Tsunade's skill in Taijutsu so obviously he'd opt for a precision based assault when she cant properly defend..
Ntn even suggests that Sakura would have more finesse/skill than Rusty Tsunade at all when Sakura doesn't have any skilled feats unlike Rusty and drunk Tsunade who actually showed Taijutsu finesse and already had a 5 in Taijutsu to note her skill , meanwhile all we have with Sakura is superior CES feats if one thinks smashing the ground>>smashing through Susano'o at leats.
Kabuto made that statement to justify his need for the soldier pill.
Bold is irrelevant, what's relevant is that Kabuto was illustrated to be much faster than Rusty Tsunade which indicates that Kabuto could've also parried and severed her arms immediately upon contact, something significantly more effective than Jyuuken yet refrained from doing so. Quite frankly, I'm not even sure what this verbose fluff even means or how his ability to alter momentum is even relevant here.
DB3 Tsunade held a 5 in Taijutsu, not Rusty Tsunade who was exhausted from constant pursuit for Kabuto/Orochimaru and demolition along the way. Sakura not only was stated to have inherited Tsunade's evasive tactics and demonstrated it beautifully, but she also discerned even the most inscrutable movements made by Sasori and gracefully dodged every one of Sasori's super-sonic projectiles; a feat that Rusty Tsunade has not matched.
-If she attempts a flying dive kick instead then a circle-step transitioned into a quick flex of Rotation right when she's passing him mid-flight should knock her away before her feet hits the ground after missing Neji , or he could maneuver quickly with a turn then elbow her when she's passing. That or he could simply use Air-Palm and target the elevated foot or her head depending on wat specific flying kick u envisioned..
-The re-direction is more-so a guide rather than a outright deflection , and that specifc re-direction is only applicable against the specifc heavy punch Sakura used against the Juubi spawn which is why i simply gave a scenario to work off of.
-If Sakura launches that linear heavy punch and Neji reacts in the manner i presented , then why exactly wouldn't Neji be able to guide her arm when he isn't even trying to contest Sakura's force or her CES but instead simply flowing her arm to the side with no resistance? The punch itself would've already been evaded with a small pivot of the torso followed by the subtle re-direction and guidance of her arm with his palm.
1. That's assuming that Sakura doesn't even respond to his attempt to evade him in the first place. For Sakura to even allow Neji to accomplish this would be stupidity on her part.
2. Largely because you're assuming one with delicate taps can accomplish something that no other character could not. If we're assuming Sakura aims for a linear-punch, what would prevent Sakura from releasing chakra through another area of her arm? What follow-up options can Neji employ afterwards? At best, I only envision Neji attempting to rupture her chakra network and tenketsu which would be fruitless because of Byakugou's regeneration, so at worst, Sakura would just be soaking hits while standing firm and would counter-attack before Neji realizes the gravity of the situation.
yes and sakura has shown to react kaguya's chakra arm neji's speed won't be a factor
becoz she can react and evade something faster than neji she would be able to do bold to an extent which is only what she need considering she needs 1 hit to win
yes it does since neji is nowhere fast as kaguya's chakra arm
ya' know , I just want to know , what is your point exactly ? , I mean she reacted to something from 4 meters, and she just dashed , how can that help her in CQC
I mean in Taijutsu , you don't need just to move your legs fast , you also need to move your hole body as fast , take in example you need to move your head fast in order to dodge a punch in the face , you need also to move your hand fast in order to land a punch so fast before your enemy manages to dodge
it is not just footwork that matters , so how is reacting to Kaguya's arm a feat in CQC ? :dunno:
the irony though yes having near 360 vision does not mean you are not getting hit in battle when your only chance is to try parry strike of someone with monsterous strength
No immobilizing the main gets rid of your chakra clones :lol if real naruto is immobilized or killed he clones gets vanished.same is true for other clones
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he can release kumo nenkin instantly via sweat glands so how is two hits even bothering him
he did react to them to initiate his jutsu.vs gentle fist was no to him he already stated that loud and clear and he hasn't shown any cqc based feat
my point is that when Hakke two hands is landed , the other 62 palms would land as easily , so Sakura can not simply react in the middle of 64 palms ,
if Hakke two palms landed on her , she is finished
and the reason that Kidomaru was not finished was because he prevented the first two Hakke palms to block his chakra points with his golden skin , ya' know , something that Sakura doesn't have
why can't he strike with air fist palm while he is dashing backward ?
I mean if Sakura cracked the ground , he can just jump backward and strike her with air fist palm . and while she is blown away, he can easily engage with her via shunshin
I mean she just kicked Susanoo , if she wants to smash the ground with her foot then her foot going to be within the cracks of the ground giving the chance for the enemy to strike her
just when Sakura smashed the ground that is under her here
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you can see , that her fist was within the cracks of the ground
her CES have gotten stronger , no denying , but there is also the fact that she jumped so so high
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look at the size of the Juubi when she was jumping in the last pane , she jumped so high
which means that her punch have gained a lot of momentum which caused such an impact , if she tried to punch the ground directly without jumping
like this
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it would cause a considerable impact , probably stronger since she got the 100 healing mark , but it is not going to get as strong as this
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Because she needed momentum to cause that
meaning : more momentum = more impact , less momentum = less impact ,
don't see your point since kimimaro took out thousands of kyuubi enhaced shadow clones with one bone
multi kage bunshin does not grant you great taijutsu
that was not my point , my point is , that more shadow clones increases the chances of landing a punch or a hit on an opponent , Naruto had better chances of landing a hit on Neji than Sakura imo
And @bold :lol Kimimaro had one of the strongest Taijutsu styles in the NV ,
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Although it is used by nearly all ninja, only a few of them use it as their primary fighting style like Rock Lee and his teacher Might Guy, who are experts of many taijutsu techniques. Example of taijutsu techniques are Dynamic Entry and Leaf Whirlwind. The Hyūga clan's Gentle Fist, however, makes extensive use of chakra and demands great skill in its control. The taijutsu techniques are the right choices for those that want to save their time and chakra, or for those who rely on their physical attributes. It can also be used uniquely in collaboration with ninjutsu to create nintaijutsu techniques. The Shikotsumyaku is said to be the ultimate taijutsu ability, due to the produced bones can be used to augment offensive and defensive powers in versatile ways. Killer B's unique style of taijutsu combined with kenjutsu is called Disturbance Taijutsu (攪乱体術, Kakuran Taijutsu, Literally meaning: Disturbance Body Technique) and used through Acrobat.
neji can't keep running and being outclassed in taijutsu does not means she cannot land hit when she has both speed and reflex to do so and neji would be able to land all the hits without getting hit
ya' know , I am really sicked of this , just stop saying that "Neji needs many hits while Sakura only needs one hit"
because like I told you before , 64 palm =/= 64 hits ,
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It is a dangerous technique that is appropriately handed down from father to only a single child within the Hyūga clan. It is a manoeuvre of the Gentle Fist fighting style. With the Byakugan's near 360° field of vision, the user envisions an Eight Trigrams circle. Then the enemy within this circle is hit with a series of violent blows. By striking sixty-four of the tenketsu throughout the opponent's Chakra Pathway System, their chakra flow is stopped, making them unable to even stand
if she is caught within the field of Hakke , then it is simply over , why you may ask .
because when Neji is in this stance ,
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he can spins so fast to land Hakke two hands like this
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and Sakura would not be able to react to it , because he spins to surprise the enemy something similar to Omoi's kick ,lol
the 8 Trigrams 64 palm is simply a maneuver of the gentle fist , where the user performing this stance
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then simply to spin to strike with two Hakke hands , and the the other 62 palms would land as easily
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Once someone is within range of the user's field of divination, the user assumes a Gentle Fist stance and begins to deliver the attack:
-First, two consecutive strikes to make two.
-Second, another two consecutive strikes to make four.
-Third, four consecutive strikes to make eight.
-Fourth, eight consecutive strikes to make sixteen.
-Fifth, sixteen consecutive strikes to make thirty-two.
-Sixth, another thirty-two consecutive strikes in succession to make a total of sixty-four strikes. The sixth consecutive attack needs a strong step forward, because without it the technique will fail.
Each set of strikes is done at an exponentially increasing pace and strength. The attack not only disables the enemy but also knocks them back with every set of strikes
This is all superfluous, Neji's only means to accomplishing this is through internal damage or chakra disruption, both of which are ameliorated by Sakura's Byakugou.
actually , he doesn't need momentum to redirect her attacks , CES needs a precise chakra control , and if he just simply pressed the chakra points in her arm , that would simply disturb the chakra flow , meaning that her CES would be disabled
because she would not be able to channel chakra to her fist , just like what happened to Hinata when he blocked her chakra points
and don't forget that he far more skilled in Taijutsu than her , meaning he would be easily be able to block it without even she feel it ,
and even if she enhanced another part of her arm with chakra , that would not change the fact that her chakra point would be still be able to be pressed , and the moment that her chakra point is pressed , the moment that her CES would be disabled
Not even Kabuto who was faster than Rusty Tsunade was confident in his ability to parry her attacks and resorted to evasive tactics instead; a simplistic tactic like that would never work.
Byakugou's chakra is derived from another source completely detached from the user's chakra points, hence why Byakugou users can regenerate damage in spite of their chakra network containing these tenketsu and organs being ruptured completely. Jyuuken isn't an issue for Sakura.
Much of the force is derived from CES, so the momentum she did display didn't have nearly as much of an impact as her CES did. Either way, she wasn't using Byakugou, so when we do factor in Byakugou, she can at least accomplish of a feat of this magnitude.
yes but there is the fact the she jumped so so high , that her punch gained a considerable momentum , simply if she would punch directly without jumping , her punch would cause a considerable impact , but t is not going to be like this
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because she simply needed momentum to cause that ,
meaning that , more momentum = more impact , less momentum = less impact
and simply if she managed to hit the ground directly with out the need of jump , it would simply cause a considerable impact , but it would not be like this
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it would be something similar to this
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but of course her punch would cause much impact since she got the yin seal but it would be still evade able for someone like Neji
it would simply prevent Sakura from punching the ground , it is fast and forceful strike , that blows the enemy away before he realizes that he has been struck
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it also strikes the vital points which damages the nervous system , but that is not a factor here since Sakura has Byakugou , but it can just blow her away and that would give Neji the chance to engage with her , and she become within the field of Hakke , it is simply over
I mean. I am not directly saying you are bashing her, I just feel like people go out of their way to make her look bad when she isn't...Every ninja is good in their own way.
I mean. I am not directly saying you are bashing her, I just feel like people go out of their way to make her look bad when she isn't...Every ninja is good in their own way.
Ya' know guys , you have a point , I see nothing but the same arguments again and again,
I bet they are going to @ me with the same argument that "Neji needs many hit while Sakura needs one hit , so Sakura win" ,
ugh.. I swear if they @me with this same ****ing argument again, then I will not bother to @ back , because I have already explained why this point is BS
She simply lacks the Taijutsu skills to land a hit especially if she is going against someone like Neji , why people can't get over this fact
-Im addressing when the first heavy punch is thrown which when re-directed in the manner i presented gives Neji a opening. Im specifically talking about a scenario where Sakura opens up with a exact punch like this..>
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And from the start i was never talking about the Ground punch , never. I was highlighting that specific heavy punch she did against the Juubling and wat she attempted against Karui. I was putting Neji on the other end of that specific attempt and if u look back to the first time i quoted u i made sure to cement this to u , so i dont know why ur bringing up ground punches.:dunno:
Sakura doesn't use the Gentle fist style and she tends to go in for Heavy hits not subtle thrusts which is all Hinata does/did. While Sakura uses a totally different style of combat aimed for one shotting with a heavy hits. Check back to the first time i quoted u in the thread where i specifically said that if Sakura opens up the fight with her signature heavy punch which i gave scans for.
If Neji re-directed that swing similar to the manner i presented..
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Then she would be pivoted to the left as she's being carried by the momentum of her swing and elongated body , shifting her balance. This is only if she opens with that specific attack , which is basically her canon opener. I think it obvious she wouldn't attempt this in canon against Neji , but i quoted u to show u how i think he can counter her in Taijjutsu.
If Neji re-directs that punch similar to this..
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He'd gain a small window to quickly press 4 Tenketsu in that arm which is all he'd need to Block the flow in that arm. The whole reason why he was praised by Hiruzen is due to this aspect of his ability , he can jab fairy quickly so by War he should be proficient enough to do this with the right openings.
then you are assuming sakura would try direct punch against neji whom she had seen fighting twice and knows almost everything about his fighting style
on other hand neji does not know what byakugou is and what it does
the battlefield his chunin exam so one indirect hit from her can decimate neji with whole battlefield
neji here has the biggest disadvantage that he cannot even make single mistake.sakura after taking hit may heal from it on other hand neji would not
now if sakura went for a direct punch neji should be able to redirect her but then the question is nothing stopping her from releasing chakra from her arms the area where neji taps
-Thats true about Bunta's blade , tho i honestly dont see how that would stop her limb from getting redirected if she attempts a direct one-shot heavy punch. Him nudging her fist to the side would still result in her arm being moved to the side.
True but i honestly just dont see how that stops her limbs from getting slightly pivoted.
its like narutox28 said nothing would be stopping her from releasing chakra from the portion neji tries to tap
like when tsunade did here [
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remind you when sasuke launched 4 or 5 individual version of it vertically each had enough force to break through the roof of hideout
Its also heavily implied that he learnt and/or perfected Rotation after the prelims since the finals is a two month Time-skip where everyone involved gained new abilities. Tenten saying "Not a single scratch on u , Its PerfectNeji" implies him likely not having the tech for very long imo.
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Which strongly implies that Neji likely wasn't always proficient in perfectly emitting Chakra from his whole Body much less Kaiten. Its heavily implied that the reason Neji was superior to Lee was due to his Genius Taijutsu prowess , Reaction and precision.
i doubt neji used full rotation there and tenten was talking about it :| see the ground below him
but most likely they were talking about first step of kaiten of releasing chakra perfectly from whole body and countering an upcoming attack [
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but the scan also says neji perfected his cacoon version to fend of attack by mastering jyuuken and on previous page tenten says u only need to halt attack to rotate and repel it [
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so most likely what neji had rotation before chiunin exam but by mastering jyuuken he perfected his ablity block and repel attacks just by emmiting chakra from whole body
we already know third gate opens reverse lotus and neji didn't knew about it since it was lee's trump card to defeat him [
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the only spar we saw between them was friendly one with neji without byakugan [
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neji also had zero problem in keeping up with 2 gated lee
Him being massively superior to Hinata in speed didn't stop her from using her circular movements while fighting. Him being inferior to Lee in speed shouldn't mean he cant utilize his circular movements when fighting Lee.
Because we have witnessed Byakugou recover the damage inflicted to the user's internal organs completely numerous times throughout the manga.
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The body's organs are naturally entwined in the chakra system which houses these chakra points as well, so naturally most attacks that are directed at the user's internal organs would naturally sever these chakra networks and damage the tenketsu as a result. However, Byakugou has shown to alleviate this sort of damage relatively quickly as if it didn't happen, so damage towards the chakra system alone isn't much of a hindrance for Byakugou users when they have suffered greater calamities than Jyuuken.
actually , he doesn't need momentum to redirect her attacks , CES needs a precise chakra control , and if he just simply pressed the chakra points in her arm , that would simply disturb the chakra flow , meaning that her CES would be disabled
because she would not be able to channel chakra to her fist , just like what happened to Hinata when he blocked her chakra points
and don't forget that he far more skilled in Taijutsu than her , meaning he would be easily be able to block it without even she feel it ,
and even if she enhanced another part of her arm with chakra , that would not change the fact that her chakra point would be still be able to be pressed , and the moment that her chakra point is pressed , the moment that her CES would be disabled
1. Yes, because Hinata doesn't possess staggering resilience and regenerative properties nor is she hooked up to an additional reservoir of chakra injecting her with a constant flow of steroids, Sakura does, enough so that the pernicious effects inflicted by Jyuuken are negligible.
2. The bold is incomprehensible, I'm not sure what this all means.
3. That's addressed by #1.
sorry bro but that is really irrelevant , Tsunade was much more skilled in Taijutsu , and I don't recall Kabuto being able to use Jyuken
and please , don't @ me with "he was faster" ,
Taijutsu skills are a bigger factor in hand to hand combat than speed , and you know it
Except he is. We're constantly shown via Sasuke vs. Lee and Lee vs. Kimimaro that evading attacks is more challenging than blocking attacks and Kabuto not only escaped all of her attacks, but he managed to maneuver around her completely. Because of this, he had the means of parrying and severing her muscles completely which would've eliminated her CES as was the case in the manga, but he did not do it. He needed to exploit an opening where Tsunade was most vulnerable in order to accomplish this feat. This tells us that mere taps aren't going to strip Base Tsunade let alone Byakugou users from their CES.
Bold is irrelevant, what's relevant is that he had another, arguably more feasible method of disposing Tsunade's CES (due to chakra scalpel's higher range) yet Kabuto was hesitant of taking that approach.
Byakugou harnesses the power of the Yin Seal which harbors the aggregation of chakra collected for many many years. It is not contingent on the user's chakra system, it is literally derived from a separate pool of chakra that is created from the user and is constantly in use until completely exhausted. What evidence is there that would suggest otherwise?
yes but there is the fact the she jumped so so high , that her punch gained a considerable momentum , simply if she would punch directly without jumping , her punch would cause a considerable impact , but t is not going to be like this
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because she simply needed momentum to cause that ,
meaning that , more momentum = more impact , less momentum = less impact
and simply if she managed to hit the ground directly with out the need of jump , it would simply cause a considerable impact , but it would not be like this
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it would be something similar to this
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but of course her punch would cause much impact since she got the yin seal but it would be still evade able for someone like Neji
I know and her momentum isn't significant enough to make much of a difference. At best, there's a marginal difference which is easily compensated for by Byakugou. I'm honestly not sure why that feat was contingent upon her momentum when we're always led to believe that her chakra and finesse is the causal reason for it.
it would simply prevent Sakura from punching the ground , it is fast and forceful strike , that blows the enemy away before he realizes that he has been struck
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it also strikes the vital points which damages the nervous system , but that is not a factor here since Sakura has Byakugou , but it can just blow her away and that would give Neji the chance to engage with her , and she become within the field of Hakke , it is simply over
At best, Neji would just be delaying the inevitable since Byakugou users have plunged through greater calamaties with an unwavering spirit. It wouldn't be enough to accomplish anything in the long-run.
Besides, there's also the chakra-to-feet tactic which would resist the force behind it completely, especially when Sakura can store copious amounts of chakra in her feet that can generate these same fissures as well.
U should because its the exact reason why ur ignoring and/or are oblivious to the context of wat im saying and wat i said to Blaze , not to mention my post wasn't long at all since i simply asked Blaze a question with a short post then made an example. Which ended up getting twisted since he himself forgot this , then u coming in , ignoring the context of my re-direction point and to make matters worse , u posted directly after i made my first post to Blaze which was a single page ago.
Now here u are saying u skimmed through egregiously long posts when in reality i only made one short post with one short point with a direct specifc context that i made sure to cement.
Ur clearly getting it mixed up with Dragon ninja's debate with Blaze so i urge u to check urself.
What you described with Neji is exactly the case with Sakura. She is one of the most superb and prolific analysts in the manga, managing to discern the movements of Sasori's Iron Sand completely and succeeding in orienting her body in response to it and counter-attacking with incredible precision as she did here:
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Problem is, both are superb analysts in battle, but one mistake from Neji cannot be rectified since a mere tap from Sakura is fatal. In contrast, Sakura doesn't have to fret over a trivial mistake since she can soak hits, restrain her opponent, and retaliate accordingly.
Never denied this. She has shown great analytic prowess and has very keen eyes to boot but has shown minimal Taijutsu skill in "melee combat range” , which is wat i related to Neji reading attack patterns , strictly talking about perceiving and accurately reading melee attacks and movements which Neji is factually vastly superior in.
-Never denied that Sakura has factors that favor her , never denied any of the Bold. Could u stick to only the points im making in the sections u quote plz? Im tired of this chat turning into things i never contested.
Sakura reading Sasori's ranged attack pattern overtime, isn't the same as reading Taijutsu and being skilled in its applications and LOL at u making it seem like she discerned Complexed Iron Sand movements and counter-attacked with so called incredible precision when all she did was dodge a obvious falling attack Cube , then landed on her back , rebounded and punched it.
Exactly and his need for the soldier pill was justified by the fact that he isn't proficient in Taijutsu , so he had to evade until she was out of breath before using a fighting pattern that doesn't openly confront her in Taijutsu , Why? because he isn't good at Taijutsu , Why did he make sure to note that he isn't good in Taijutsu ? because it explains why he wouldn't dare to confront even a worn out Tsunade in Taijutsu even with the Pill since sucking at Taijutsu meant that he'd be outperformed instantly,so ur point about Kabuto is weak just like his Taijutsu.
Guy who isn't great at Taijutsu isn't all of a sudden going to be great at pulling complex Taijutsu maneuvers all of a sudden and imo its clear that Kishi was showing that being adept much less a Master of Taijutsu can be used to counter CES users in CQC if u have intel and the right physical stats.
Bold is irrelevant, what's relevant is that Kabuto was illustrated to be much faster than Rusty Tsunade which indicates that Kabuto could've also parried and severed her arms immediately upon contact, something significantly more effective than Jyuuken yet refrained from doing so. Quite frankly, I'm not even sure what this verbose fluff even means or how his ability to alter momentum is even relevant here.
This entire section is irrelevant considering Tsunade didn't attack in such a manner for this to have even been possible in the first place since all i remember her doing is a downwards heavy punch followed by a heavy jump kick. Kabuto obviously couldn't parry while trying to grab her leg from underground , he obviously could not parry her downward punch while underground , and he couldn't parry her air kick. Its clear as day why Kabuto had to rely on the tactics since Kishi made sure to note the exact reason from Kabuto which u urself said justified his need for the pill , so obviously Kabuto w/ Master Taijutsu would do well without the pill in Kishi's Manga.
In regards to the Bold , read my very first post to Blaze on the previous page then hopefully ur gonna get it because that post gives u the full context and it isn't egregiously long either.
DB3 Tsunade held a 5 in Taijutsu, not Rusty Tsunade who was exhausted from constant pursuit for Kabuto/Orochimaru and demolition along the way. Sakura not only was stated to have inherited Tsunade's evasive tactics and demonstrated it beautifully, but she also discerned even the most inscrutable movements made by Sasori and gracefully dodged every one of Sasori's super-sonic projectiles; a feat that Rusty Tsunade has not matched.
Irrelevant , she was already noted as one of the greatest in Taijutsu by Jiraiya if im not mistaken? Jiraiya who wouldn't have any idea of any increase in her Taijutsu skills after the time-skip , meaning he was referring to Tsunade's past Taijutsu feats , Not to mention ntn u said abou Sasori relates to Taijutsu finesse which Sakura literally has zero feats in among zero statements to imply any sort of skill in melee to suggests that she's even close to Tsunade in Taijutsu.
1. That's assuming that Sakura doesn't even respond to his attempt to evade him in the first place. For Sakura to even allow Neji to accomplish this would be stupidity on her part.
Impossible , Ur the one who said and i quote , " but what happens if she attempts to land a flying kick for instance?".
-This type of kick would see Sakura committing to a overly linear path that she wouldn't even be able to evade from , since its a flying dive kick she'd obviously be flying in a linear path through the air with a committed attack held forward. Sakura has no way to stop herself and evade until her dive is finished which would obviously leave her open. Its the same reason Tsunade herself was left open after a different type of flying kick which isn't the same as a flying dive kick.
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U cant just say she'll attempt something then u choose to ignore the physical context and biomechanics . She isn't evading Air-palm in mid-air nor is she evading any physical applications Neji uses to counter her straight forward obvious linear kick.
2. Largely because you're assuming one with delicate taps can accomplish something that no other character could not. If we're assuming Sakura aims for a linear-punch, what would prevent Sakura from releasing chakra through another area of her arm What follow-up options can Neji employ afterwards? At best, I only envision Neji attempting to rupture her chakra network and tenketsu which would be fruitless because of Byakugou's regeneration, so at worst, Sakura would just be soaking hits while standing firm and would counter-attack before Neji realizes the gravity of the situation.
We have never seen a Master+Genius of Taijutsu go up against Sakura or Tsunade , we only saw someone say that he himself isn't any good at Taijutsu to justify why he wouldn't openly confront them in melee so moot point.
Elaborate on the bold , Its not like she has the ability to explode CES from anywhere on her body and cause it to be impactful without applying some kind of force/pressure or corresponding movement in conjunction , she doesn't have the ability to blast the impact from anywhere without a hit like Jyuken's Body blow.
For the last time the only delicate nudge to guide her momentum away would be against Sakura's specific linear heavy punch like her opening hook punch she used against the Juubling , Sasori Iron Cube and wat she attempted against Karui. Never did i say he'd do this to every and/any type of physical attack she throws because that doesn't make sense , which is why u should understand context especially of things u say.
Im not assuming anything , only gave u an example of how superior movements can counter inferior movements and then tried to give u a visual example of a scenario where IF She attempts her canon linear punch , how i see him countering , using Manga panels, Heck i even made it clear to u that in canon Sakura would never attempt this long before ur just now bringing it up.
now if sakura went for a direct punch neji should be able to redirect her but then the question is nothing stopping her from releasing chakra from her arms the area where neji taps..
its like narutox28 said nothing would be stopping her from releasing chakra from the portion neji tries to tap like when tsunade did here
remind you when sasuke launched 4 or 5 individual version of it vertically each had enough force to break through the roof of hideout
Tsunade swiped those away with strikes lol , she wouldn't be able to repel them without swiping them away , im honestly confused with the logic here , Sakura/Tsuna dont have the ability to just release Chakra enhanced impacts from anywhere on their body without applying even minimal force or pressure with a corresponding movement , so how is she going to release Chakra out the area where Neji touches , while he's re-directing the path of a already committed attack while she'd be in the process of being carried by her own altered momentum?
For example , say someone simply has their palm on sakura's wrist joint , would she be able to release her CES through her wrist without striking or moving her arm and still be able to blast away the palm? No she'd actually need to attack , grab or make some form of offensive gesture that actually connects.
Another example is if Tsunade instead decided to block one of those fire balls , would she be capable of releasing her CES from her arm and repel it without actually striking it? No. Its the same with Neji's palm re-directing her and warding her blows.
Its not like she can just shoot CES from anywhere without attacking like this.
i doubt neji used full rotation there and tenten was talking about it :| see the ground below him
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so most likely what neji had rotation before chiunin exam but by mastering jyuuken he perfected his ablity block and repel attacks just by emmiting chakra from whole body
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neji also had zero problem in keeping up with 2 gated lee
Its clear that Tenten was basically saying that his rotation was now perfect. She also said not a scratch which implies that he was scratched before in prior training sessions of the Tech which wouldn't make sense if he already mastered Rotation years before.
Tho i agree with wat ur saying about Chakra shield being used there since im the first and only person who ever made that observation which some people tried to shut down saying things like "Kishi forgot to draw the crater" 2 chapers before Rotation's debut among other crap , but yea Tenten clearly still meant that Kaiten and Neji's chakra/tenketsu full body control was now perfect showing that it wasn't perfect prior to that warm up much less two whole months prior. So no , it makes even less sense that he already mastered Kaiten before the Chunin exam Prelims.
You should be able to clearly see that its a different type of re-direction exploiting a different type of attack carrying a different level of momentum than Sakura's heavy linear punch. Clearly different movements are involved all around but honestly i'v grown tired of these simple things not being seen and understood.
، but I have given a logical reason to support my opinion though, lol