[VS] Neji (K.H) vs Hebi Sasuke (I.I)

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Debate between Immortal Itachi and KingHashirama shall now commence.

Immortal Itachi is representing Hebi Sasuke, KingHashirama reppin Neji Hyuuga

Immortal Itachi will make the first move as to why Neji can't beat Sasuke. *_*


Judges: Meido, Madara Rules, HiddenSound, Neonian
 
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Debate between Immortal Itachi and KingHashirama shall now commence.

Immortal Itachi is representing Hebi Sasuke, KingHashirama reppin Neji Hyuuga

Immortal Itachi will make the first move as to why Neji can't beat Sasuke. *_*

Lol'd at the last part, hebi sasuke refers to after-sucking up orochimaru, right?
 

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first, lets look at their abilities:

Neji Hyuuga:
byakugan
Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven
Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Wall Palm
Gentle Fist
Gentle Fist Art One Blow Body

Hebi Sasuke:
Sharingan
binding Snake Glare Spell

Chidori
Chidori Current
Chidori Senbon
Chidori Sharp Spear
Cursed Seal of Heaven
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique
Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Genjutsu: Sharingan
Hidden Shadow Snake Hands
Kirin
Lion Combo
Manipulated Shuriken Technique
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades
Orochimaru-Style Body Replacement Technique

Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Strong Fist
Summoning Technique (Hawks, Snakes)
Summoning: Lightning Flash Blade Creation
Sword of Kusanagi: Chidori Katana

so sasuke mostly likely wins this due to his S-rank katon and raiton techs, with his sharingan genjutsus, and his regeneration techs.
 

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first, lets look at their abilities:

Neji Hyuuga:
byakugan
Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven
Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Wall Palm
Gentle Fist
Gentle Fist Art One Blow Body

Hebi Sasuke:
Sharingan
binding Snake Glare Spell

Chidori
Chidori Current
Chidori Senbon
Chidori Sharp Spear
Cursed Seal of Heaven
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique
Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Genjutsu: Sharingan
Hidden Shadow Snake Hands
Kirin
Lion Combo
Manipulated Shuriken Technique
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades
Orochimaru-Style Body Replacement Technique

Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Strong Fist
Summoning Technique (Hawks, Snakes)
Summoning: Lightning Flash Blade Creation
Sword of Kusanagi: Chidori Katana

so sasuke mostly likely wins this due to his S-rank katon and raiton techs, with his sharingan genjutsus, and his regeneration techs.

Lol I guess the show must go on, even without one of the main actors.

Edit: Nevermind
 

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I don't think he can.
 

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As always, this fight will come down to speed. Speed is always the most important factor in a battle. Even a much weaker opponent can beat someone else if they outclass them horribly in speed. Thankfully, Sasuke has both the speed and strength advantage in this battle.

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Sasuke, at this time, had the fastest speed in the Manga, rivaled only by Lee, Gai, and Kakashi. He moved nearly instantaneously to a killing position on Naruto, and his speed even surprised an elite Jounin. In the end, Neji won't even be able to keep up with Sasuke's movements. Neji has close to zero speed feats, much less any that put him on this level. Truthfully, this fight is over before it even begins; Sasuke blitzes Neji, and shoves a sword through his back.

Now even though Sasuke's speed alone is enough to take out Neji, I'll throw a few others things out there.

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Heavenly rotation will do next to nothing against Sasuke's jutsu. It has never tanked anything close to Kirin. It's only ever reflected shuriken and other projectiles. Kirin will obliterate Neji with zero difficulty.

Susano'o barely managed to tank it;

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Susano'o only began to reform here, meaning Kirin destroyed it the first time.

Not that Sasuke even needs it though, because

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rotation won't even be tanking this. If this hits Neji, or if Neji attempts to block it with Rotation, he will die. Rotation itself may be enough to block a mere fireball, but a focused Dragon Flame Technique will destroy it.

Besides, Neji has close to no offensive capabilities against Sasuke. Sasuke has mastered the 3-Tomoe sharingan, known for being able to read movements before they happen; Neji's Gentle Fist is rendered completely useless, and Sasuke will destroy him if it comes to a Taijutsu battle.

I haven't even gotten to Genjutsu yet.

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Sasuke's prowess with 3-Tomoe Sharingan is so powerful that he managed to overcome Tsukuyomi itself. If Neji is caught in Sasuke's genjutsu, it's a one-shot. Neji has displayed nothing to suggest he could break out of a Genjutsu that rivaled Tsukuyomi itself. When it comes to actually hitten Neji with the Genjutsu, again it's possible because of Sasuke's speed. While Sasuke could use his speed to simply kill Neji with a chidori or his sword, he could also use it to manuver himself into a position where he can afflict Neji with Genjutsu, and then it's over.

Byakugon is almost useless in this fight. Even if Neji manages to activate it, he still won't be able to keep up with Sasuke's speed. Just because you can see close to 360 degrees, doesn't mean you can magically react to something that is faster than you.

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Everything I stated above is only amplified once the Curse Mark comes into the picture. As soon as Sasuke activates Curse Mark, it's a zero-diff stomp for him. Neji has no counter against Sasuke flying into the air and shooting Dragon Flame Missiles, or anything with an arial advantage.

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There is also the fact that Sasuke has all of Orochimaru's techniques after he absorbed him. Striking Shadow Snakes, Snake Glare Genjutsu, and of course Oral Rebirth. Since Sasuke has Oral Rebirth, Neji can't really put him down (not that Neji would even land a hit on Sasuke thanks to the mastery of the 3-tomoe).

All in all, Hebi Sasuke is just far too powerful for Neji. The fact that Neji can't keep up with Sasuke's speed, and can't even hit Sasuke with his offensive techniqes, verifies the fact that Neji loses.

Anyways, I counter a whole lot better than I open. You're up Kinghashi.
 

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Lets start of with speed feats:

In the chunin exams, Neji was able to keep track of Naruto's 9-tails chakra coated speed:

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Which is a bigger speed feat then what you put for Sasuke. And also, lets not forget that lee considered Neji superior to himself in taijutsu even though lee is many times faster then Hebi Sasuke and Neji. Hell not to mention that Lee was saving the gates to use on Neji himself. So with that said, Neji has already been hyped up to take on someone like Lee in terms of Taijutsu.

Byakugan > Sharingan in regards to seeing and detacting.



Next you mentioned Kirin, and the Fire jutsu:

Neji's rotation is able to defect things way more bigger then that fire jutsu:
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Notice even Naruto commented on Neji being a genius, when he did that. So what makes you think a fire jutsu like that would be able to stop the rotation?


Kirin, is not a jutsu Sasuke can use any time he wants, << that is solely dependent on the battlefield we are on.

However even if Sasuke is to use that technique, neji would be able to destroy it with the technique Hinata's father used;

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Please do notice the size of the technique in the second scan top panel. It is either bigger or the size of Kirin. Infact Sasuke has nothing to tank that with.

Sasuke has been able to counter a genjutsu , but he himself has never used it. And even if he could be going to Neji would be able to detect it with the Byakugan.


CurseMark:

Curse Mark is only useful if Sasuke is able to hit. However, since Neji is the taijutsu master, if Neji gets hits on Sasuke, Sasuke will be finished making the curse mark useless.

And after the curse mark is enabled useless, and Sasuke cannot open up his chakra points he will be stuck with no chakra, and enabling Neji to deliver a kunai to the heart, which would just be a K.O.


Overall:

Sasuke lacks long range techniques that will be able to deliver impact against Neji, and in close combat, Sasuke has no chance, due to Neji actually having a style of taijutsu. Not to mention Neji is the smarter and the more intelligent one in the battle.

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Lets start of with speed feats:

In the chunin exams, Neji was able to keep track of Naruto's 9-tails chakra coated speed:

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Which is a bigger speed feat then what you put for Sasuke. And also, lets not forget that lee considered Neji superior to himself in taijutsu even though lee is many times faster then Hebi Sasuke and Neji. Hell not to mention that Lee was saving the gates to use on Neji himself. So with that said, Neji has already been hyped up to take on someone like Lee in terms of Taijutsu.

Byakugan > Sharingan in regards to seeing and detacting.



Next you mentioned Kirin, and the Fire jutsu:

Neji's rotation is able to defect things way more bigger then that fire jutsu:
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Notice even Naruto commented on Neji being a genius, when he did that. So what makes you think a fire jutsu like that would be able to stop the rotation?


Kirin, is not a jutsu Sasuke can use any time he wants, << that is solely dependent on the battlefield we are on.

However even if Sasuke is to use that technique, neji would be able to destroy it with the technique Hinata's father used;

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Please do notice the size of the technique in the second scan top panel. It is either bigger or the size of Kirin. Infact Sasuke has nothing to tank that with.

Sasuke has been able to counter a genjutsu , but he himself has never used it. And even if he could be going to Neji would be able to detect it with the Byakugan.


CurseMark:

Curse Mark is only useful if Sasuke is able to hit. However, since Neji is the taijutsu master, if Neji gets hits on Sasuke, Sasuke will be finished making the curse mark useless.

And after the curse mark is enabled useless, and Sasuke cannot open up his chakra points he will be stuck with no chakra, and enabling Neji to deliver a kunai to the heart, which would just be a K.O.


Overall:

Sasuke lacks long range techniques that will be able to deliver impact against Neji, and in close combat, Sasuke has no chance, due to Neji actually having a style of taijutsu. Not to mention Neji is the smarter and the more intelligent one in the battle.

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(1) Part 1 Cloaked Naruto is faster than Hebi Sasuke? Please.

Hebi Sasuke moved nearly instantaneously. Nobody even saw him moving. Naruto, on the other hand, could clearly be seen jumping from wall to wall.

Hebi Sasuke's speed >> Cloaked Naruto.

(2) As for his Katon, Heavenly Rotation may be able to be used a few times, but Neji doesn't have infinite chakra. As soon as he runs out, Neji is done for. And Neji will run out faster than Sasuke, since Sasuke has the extra chakra of the Curse Mark.

(3) Your argument against Kirin is laughable and complete speculation at best.

First of all, an Air Palm is not going to stop Kirin; after all, Kirin isn't something solid like the Juubi's hand. Kirin will laugh it off and continue on to destroy Neji.

Secondly, you have zero proof Neji could do an air palm on this level regardless. That's just speculation and not backed up by anything.

Lastly, Sasuke can use Kirin on a whim when he has chakra;

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Sasuke was about to use Kirin without any prep. The only reason he needed prep against Itachi was because he was running out of chakra, and needed the extra assitance of the storm.

(4) Sasuke can't use 3-tomoe Genjutsu? What are you talking about?

Of course he can. He fought off Itachi's Tsukuyomi with it.

(5) Neji won't be able to land a single hit on Sasuke thanks to the 3-tomoe mastery, in which Sasuke can read all of Neji's movements before they happen. Neji has zero chance of landing a single poke on Sasuke.

(6) Neji is smarter and more intelligent?

Manga proof of Neji's intelligence please.

Sasuke was smart enough to use the surrounding heat to form thunder clouds, because his chakra was waning and he needed the extra assitance to form and cast Kirin.

Sasuke managed to trick Itachi of all people with the Shadow Shuriken Jutsu.

Sasuke has been stated multiple times to be the prodigy of K11.


Again, you've provided nothing that suggests Sasuke can't just speed blitz Neji and shove a sword through his back. You've provided nothing to suggest Kirin won't obliterate Neji, since air palm wouldn't do anything even if Neji could use a giant air palm technique. You've provided nothing to suggest that Neji can counter Sasuke's mastery of the 3-tomoe genjutsu. You've provided nothing to suggest that Neji can get past Sasuke's 3-tomoe mastery of predicting movement and land a hit on him.

I'm still waiting for all of that.
 

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first, lets look at their abilities:

Neji Hyuuga:
byakugan
Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven
Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Wall Palm
Gentle Fist
Gentle Fist Art One Blow Body

Hebi Sasuke:
Sharingan
binding Snake Glare Spell

Chidori
Chidori Current
Chidori Senbon
Chidori Sharp Spear
Cursed Seal of Heaven
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique
Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Genjutsu: Sharingan
Hidden Shadow Snake Hands
Kirin
Lion Combo
Manipulated Shuriken Technique
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades
Orochimaru-Style Body Replacement Technique

Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Strong Fist
Summoning Technique (Hawks, Snakes)
Summoning: Lightning Flash Blade Creation
Sword of Kusanagi: Chidori Katana

so sasuke mostly likely wins this due to his S-rank katon and raiton techs, with his sharingan genjutsus, and his regeneration techs.

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1. I compared the blitz (which was basically the same, but keep in mind that was kid Neji), not their running speed, in terms of running speed Sasuke Uchiha is not that fast, surely you have seen the Itachi vs Sasuke fight, not once was Sasuke capable of blitzing him like he did to Naruto. NOT ONCE. And lets not forget the databook stats put Neji and Sasuke equals in regards to speed, both have 4.5, and also Byakugan gives Neji the ability to track him down.




2. Neji hasn't ran out so far, so hes all good. However, you keep trying to make it that Neji can't hit Sasuke, while Neji is shown a superior taijutsu person then Lee, who is times better then Sasuke in regards to speed. Neji will hit Sasuke. Neji doesn't have to waste his chakra at all. In fact that is what his taijutsu style focuses on.

3. False assumption and analysis is made on your part. Kirin is in fact lightening. If wind hits a big lightening it is split apart or completely destroyed. The size of that air palm is bigger then Kirin or atleast that size, and no way in hell is Kirin going to tank that without being split apart. IF IT WAS SOLID, IT MIGHT.... but since its pure lightening it won't.


We don't know if he was going to use Kirin or not. But Manga states clouds are needed.
" He draws natural lightning directly from thunder clouds to supplement the power of his strike and controls it with chakra. Unlike most techniques, which are based on the user's chakra, this one uses natural lightning, which — as noted by Zetsu — reaches the ground in 1/1000th of a second. However, the preparation time required also decreases the technique's efficiency. If there are no active thunder clouds, the user must create them by using powerful fire techniques to produce the necessary storm conditions. With techniques such as Amaterasu, even stronger storm conditions can be made."
4. Yes I made a mistake on that part, he used a genjutsu on Deidara. However, that genjutsu is nothing for someone like Neji Hyuuga. Who doesn't need to look into Sasuke's eyes at all. In fact he can make them utterly useless

5. Really? this so called mastery wasn't displayed by Sasuke at all. The whole "he can't touch him"... =]. He will come to attack neji, and will get owned in a taijutsu battle. Sasuke can predict it sure, but he can't do anything about a attack he can't stop..

6. Naruto calling Neji a genius isn't enough? o_O. Or lee stating Neji is strongest genin ? Or the databook stats where Neji was dominant of Sasuke until the 3rd Databook, where Neji wasn't shown any screen time. His Calmness, and critical thinking like he showed against Naruto gives him the advantage. Part 1 Sasuke would be a better competition in terms of mind-set against Neji

7. I have provided alot, but by seeing your statements it seems like you ignored them. The fact that LEE CONSIDERS NEJI TO BE HIS SUPERIOR, puts him above Lee in taijutsu, unless you have proof that Sasuke has lee's normal speed, then go ahead and claim Sasuke can't be hit by Neji. Also, lets not forget Neji is the only jounin amonst K11, while Shikamaru is still a chunin. Even the Databook put a Hebi Sasuke tied with a Neji from arc 1 of Part 2 in regards to speed.

In fact, your using the same argument other people use against Tsunade or Sakura and many others "He/she can't even touch that character".
 
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Besides, Neji has close to no offensive capabilities against Sasuke. Sasuke has mastered the 3-Tomoe sharingan, known for being able to read movements before they happen; Neji's Gentle Fist is rendered completely useless, and Sasuke will destroy him if it comes to a Taijutsu battle.

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Sasuke was about to use Kirin without any prep.

Fanfiction.

Also Byakugan will see through Sasuke's crappy genjutsu and easily.

It is superior to the sharingan in terms of genjutsu detection.
 

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1. Speedblitz IS running speed. Sasuke is faster than Neji, hands down, unless you can provide scans of Neji moving near instantaneously. Sasuke wasn't blitzing Itachi because they both had the Sharingan.

2. Neji Can't hit Sasuke. Not only is Sasuke's speed far greater than Neji's, but how does Neji get past the prediction of the mastered 3-tomoe Sharingan?

Answer: He doesn't. Sasuke predicts every move and counters it with close to zero diff.

3. What? Do you understand what lightning is? Lightning can NOT be broken by wind, that's asinine. Where is your proof wind can break lightning? You are working off speculation.

It doesn't matter, regardless. Neji won't have time to air palm the lightning since (1) it's instantaneous (2) Neji has no idea it will be coming.

Kirin absolutely fodderizes Neji. Clouds are obviously not needed, since Sasuke was about to use it on Naruto and Company.

4. How will Neji be avoiding Genjutsu? Your only reasoning here was "because he's Neji Hyuuga".

5. Don't be dense. Sasuke's prediction was at the level of countering a cloaked Naruto (who you yourself stated is faster than Sasuke Lol) when he very first unlocked the 3-tomoe, with no practice. Now that he has mastered the 3-tomoe, Predicting and countering Neji's gentle fist will be a cakewalk. The Sharingan is the perfect counter to Gentle Fist.

6. You can't be serious.

You keep bringing up feats about Part 1 Neji and Sasuke; We arn't debating Part 1 Neji and Sasuke. Even if neji was the strongest Genin (which he wasn't, he got beat by Naruto), that has not bearing on the present Neji and Sasuke.

7. Who gives a crap if Lee considers Neji superior? Sasuke is far greater than Lee in every aspect as well. Sasuke can't be hit by Neji or Lee, since Sasuke has the ultimate counter to any Taijutsu; A mastered 3 tomoe Sharingan.



The fact of the matter is Neji can't win because he can't harm Sasuke whatsoever.


Btw, let's conclude this debate at 4:00.
 
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