For sure, hopefully we can continue this healthy friendship haha.
Oh I certainly can agree to what you just said. If there is just too much iron sand, Itachi just can not deal with all of it and would have to resort to other tactics while being overwhelmed. Izanami and the Sword of Totsuka are still two trump cards of Itachi's that he could pull out that Sasori just can't stop.
Regardless, the point of your thread was made that Sasori is a very powerful shinobi and that he should not be underestimated. I just think that, Itachi is a bad match up for him. Blaze brought up a some good points as well that I'd agree with in support of Itachi.
If I were to defend Sasori I think that that would have been equally fun haha!
I look forward to debating with you in the future . That reminds me, i must counter Blaze now, he might decide to check back here and find no counter or even reply to what he said.
I wonder why the thread got deleted, if anything this thread has the best debating I have seen in a looooooong time. Anyway I never got an answer to my random question, (although Knight gave it a crack ) so i'll try again.
~ The sharingan has a perceptive ability that allows it to predict the movement of objects and projectiles. As the Sharingan evolves, gaining more tomoe seals, this ability extends to being able to track fast-moving objects before finally giving some amount of predictive capabilities to the user, allowing them to see the image of an attacker’s next move from the slightest muscle tension in their body and counterattack or dodge without any wasted movement.
My question is can the sharingan perceive hidden puppet weapons? By their nature puppet weapons are hidden until they hit you. Therefore the trajectory cannot be mapped out like the sharingan mapping out the path of a shuriken or tracking a fast moving object. In addition the sharingan predicts movement from muscle tension, something puppets lack. Puppets launching kunai I can understand but things like close range smoke bombs/clouds may not be possible for the sharingan to predict, opinions?
You raise some interesting points, though i must inevitably counter them xd.
The sharingan's granted ability to forsee attacks and anticipate assualts can only take him so far. How many simulatenous attacks could it possibly react to before being overwhelmed ? Even then, some of Sasori's attacks far exceed the anticipatory capabilites of the sharingan, as Varrah stated earlier they break the sound barrier and are hypersonic.
When you consider this logically, Itachi's own enhanced reflexes can't hope to compare to the very force of magnetism.
Earlier in my thread i stated this:
"Due to being a product of magnetism's repulsive forces, it acts in such a way that can't be anticipated by anyone not even the user themselves. The forces interact in several ways, most likely producing a uniquely different shape every time effectively negating even the best of reflexes. Ordinary acts can be anticipated due to following some sort of linear pattern with each use but magnetism's sporadic nature completely negates this, at a simple turn an offensive can come out of nowhere".
From this, we can clearly see, its impossible to determine the course of attacks which are solely governed by magnetic forces, they exceed the human capability to react to the said stimuli.
As to counter your points concerning Hiruko.
Hiruko is largely underrated simply because he was destroyed by a full-powered punch from Sakura, there was no reason for her to hold back if it was a life and death situation.
Its structure even gives off an air of durability, most likely enough to completely/partially tank Itachi's Exploding clone and Fire Release Ninjutsu.
Hmm, Performance of 100 Puppets ? I doubt Sasori would have to resort to that before Itachi brings out Susann'o. My reason for this being, that Itachi has been shown to use it in an hopeless situation e.g. against a foe such as Nagato or an attack such as Kirin (undodgeable).
Iron Sand World Order, for reasons already stated in the thread is just as undodgeable as Kirin. If this is the case, then Itachi would have to bring out Susann'o as a result of this, hence trapping himself in an intricate and interbranching prison, both restricting his movements and acting as a chakra drain until the structure is released.
I'm back. First we should establish Itachi's stamina. He was able to his MS techs 4 times in his fight with Sasuke; 1 Tsukiyomi, 2 Amaterasu, and Final Susanoo at the end, as well as few fireballs and genjutsu. Keep in mind this is him nearing his death. So I'd say on a good day he can sustain MS for a bit longer OR use more ninjutsu. Now for your points:
-I highly doubt Iron Sand breaks the sound barrier or else Saskura and Chiyo would have been roflstomped. They were clearly able to avoid most the attacks.
I'll agree somewhat with Iron Sand, since I said it's easily his most powerful weapon, but I disagree on some things.
-Iron Sand unleash is not un-dodgeable. Chiyo was able to back up far enough to avoid it with proper distance.
-Also, I don't think Sasori can protect his puppet from amaterasu with iron sand like Garra, why?:
-First off, Gaara has knowledge of amaterasu and his sand defense is noted to be automatic due to his mother's spirit, whereas Iron Sand was never said to have such a quick defensive reflex.
-Also Gaara has much more fluent control over his sand and can make a much more flexible shapes such as tidal waves, sand armor and giant arms:
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Sasori has only shown the ability to manipulate the iron sand into angular geometric shapes.
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Also note the iron takes more time to coagulate than Gaara's sand.
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This is why I don't consider iron sand as viable as a defense as Gaara's sand when it comes to amaterasu. It forms slower
The issue with debating for/against iron sand is that there are so many variables. Another method Itachi could use is feinting poisoning with a crow clone and use the same misdirection as Sakura to destroy kazekage puppets.
Also, I think Itachi wouldn't get trapped from IS:U like you say, since his susanoo's sword even in the skeletal stage, could slice through kimimaro's bones steel hard bones.
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Even if Itacho activates Susanoo at this point, this would only be the 1st or 2nd time using it out of his 4 time limit. Once the kazekage puppet is out, it will be a clean sweep for Itachi.
No one, apart from Edo Madara and Hashirama could take Itachi with Low to Midd Difficulty. He was half blind, throwing up blood and was still able to beat Sasuke with a curse seal.
I noticed you touched on it slightly, but with the magnetizing abilities of the Iron Sand puppet, and given the knowledge we have that Itachi carries many metal weapons it is not out of the range of possibility, that Sasori could make those weapons attack Itachi, while Itachi is cloaked in Susanoo
Sasori like all other puppeteers weak spot is taijutsu and Sasori combats this with his weakest puppet, Hirkuo. Once Hirkuo is dead it is all longer ranged attacks. Which a sharingan is pretty freaking good at predicting. I just don't see sasori being able to actually hit Itachi
Okay I read the entire thread. I must admit this is the very first time where I have thoroughly read each and every post in a thread this big. My verdict is that the Itachi who fought Sasuke should win with high difficulty 7/10 times.
So basically a battle between the two would start off with basic ninjutsu from Itachi while Sasori uses his Hiruko puppet. That puppet is very durable but Itachi should be able to burn the Akatsuki robe with his katon, then use an exploding clone to damage Hiruko forcing Sasori to use his puppet army.
Here things would get very interesting. Itachi is one of the fastest characters in the manga and possesses the fastest hand seal speed. This will allow him to dodge poisonous attacks pretty easily and if in the event he can't, Itachi could use a water release technique to dispatch any weapons that come near him or just hit them with his shuriken. Also Itachi's shuriken mastery will allow him to cut Sasori's chakra strings momentarily whenever he wants to thereby slowing Sasori's moves down considerably.
As for countering iron sand which exceeds the sound barrier. Well I think you are either underrating Itachi's speed and reflexes if you think he will be hopeless against an attack that breaks the sound barrier. I say this because part 1 Temari was able to react to sound waves, RIGHT IN HER FACE and I do believe Itachi should have much better reflexes than even current Temari so logically speaking, he should be able to use a water dragon bullet, a clone feint or simply jump out of the way.
Once the Kazekage puppet comes out though, Itachi will need to use amaterasu, susanoo or both in order to deal with it because his basic arsenal of ninjutsu will simply be blocked. Sasori will have to cover the Kazekage puppet with iron sand or else Itachi could just lay waste to it. Since Itachi is very fast, he may just find another position from where he can use amaterasu to finish the puppet. It is very likely though that Itachi will need to use susanoo to counter the iron sand and its various wide AoE attacks so it would be illogical to assume that Itachi won't need to use it.
Once his susanoo comes out, I think Sasori could try poisoning Itachi by using poison gas because Itachi still needs to breathe while in susanoo. If he doesn't breathe, he will lose stamina even more quickly for obvious reasons which is why he'd need to constantly swat away poison gas by using susanoo swords.
Also susanoo would go on a rampage and destroy most of Sasori's arsenal IMO. The main threat is poison gas and maybe scattered iron sand that may go underneath Itachi. If it does, Itachi will need to quickly deactivate susanoo and run away but at this point, his speed will have vastly decreased. Still I think Itachi will be cautious enough to avoid walking right on top of a trap but there are still high chances that he will be finished.
I think with Itachi's ability to see Sasori's heart, he should be able to finish Sasori with either amaterasu or totsuka blade eventually even if Sasori uses defensive measures such as iron sand or blocking with weaker puppets. Just take a look at how Itachi could drag the amaterasu
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by the black flames so I think Itachi could manage to destroy many puppets and iron sand won't be able to properly defend against it since Itachi activates it wherever he looks at. Also you should know that amaterasu can spread so it is capable of taking out a massive number of puppets. What if Itachi decides to encircle Sasori and all of his puppets in a ring of black flames?
sasori's victory would depend on how long he can keep himself pretty much out itachi's vision.. as well as whether it is the sick itachi or full health itachi (the reason being the ability of itachi's reflexes for dodging need to be pretty high)... if sasori can manage to summon a multitude of pupets and stay out of itachi's genjutsu's he has a high probability of beating him... if sasori runs out of pupets before itachi runs out of chakra he will be in a lot of danger, this is based on the theory of itachi using susanoo in the battle, and having a good chance of running out of chakra fighting off all of sasori's pupets... and not being put under a genjutsu to have his pupets fighting an illusion... sasori i will say does have a very high chance of being the winner of this match... but sasori has to stay completely out of itachi's veiw/range during the battle..
Itachi wins..
Itachis inteligence and izanagi will do the work.. I read the entire post you have realy done a very nice job and i agree with all the sasoris counters that you mentioned but you underestimating itachi... Itachi is smart enough to know that susano can be countered if you manage to strike from beneath... And he is smart enough to fall in a trap like this... You also forgot that sharingans can read the enemys movements and if sasori switch bodies with any of his puppets itachi could see through this emidiately... Even if itachi get a directz hit he can activate izanagi and serve a fatal blow to sasori while he is off guard...i also think that one slash of totsuka is enough to destroy all the 100 puppets at once (but im not sure..) on the other hand i think that sasori can be outsmarted easily by itachi.. And im sure that itachi knows techniques that we dont even know.. For example if he wasnt resurected by edo then we wouldnt even know about izanami...
Itachi win this mid dif.. But you realy did a nice job so youve got my respect...
I'm back. First we should establish Itachi's stamina. He was able to his MS techs 4 times in his fight with Sasuke; 1 Tsukiyomi, 2 Amaterasu, and Final Susanoo at the end, as well as few fireballs and genjutsu. Keep in mind this is him nearing his death. So I'd say on a good day he can sustain MS for a bit longer OR use more ninjutsu. Now for your points:
-I highly doubt Iron Sand breaks the sound barrier or else Saskura and Chiyo would have been roflstomped. They were clearly able to avoid most the attacks.
I'll agree somewhat with Iron Sand, since I said it's easily his most powerful weapon, but I disagree on some things.
-Iron Sand unleash is not un-dodgeable. Chiyo was able to back up far enough to avoid it with proper distance.
-Also, I don't think Sasori can protect his puppet from amaterasu with iron sand like Garra, why?:
-First off, Gaara has knowledge of amaterasu and his sand defense is noted to be automatic due to his mother's spirit, whereas Iron Sand was never said to have such a quick defensive reflex.
-Also Gaara has much more fluent control over his sand and can make a much more flexible shapes such as tidal waves, sand armor and giant arms:
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Sasori has only shown the ability to manipulate the iron sand into angular geometric shapes.
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Also note the iron takes more time to coagulate than Gaara's sand.
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This is why I don't consider iron sand as viable as a defense as Gaara's sand when it comes to amaterasu. It forms slower
The issue with debating for/against iron sand is that there are so many variables. Another method Itachi could use is feinting poisoning with a crow clone and use the same misdirection as Sakura to destroy kazekage puppets.
Also, I think Itachi wouldn't get trapped from IS:U like you say, since his susanoo's sword even in the skeletal stage, could slice through kimimaro's bones steel hard bones.
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Even if Itacho activates Susanoo at this point, this would only be the 1st or 2nd time using it out of his 4 time limit. Once the kazekage puppet is out, it will be a clean sweep for Itachi.
The Iron Sand bullets were a product of magnetism, they did break the sound barrier, only Chiyo had prep time as he announced he was going to attack. In that time she had time to shield Sakura, its a similar scenario to Itachi and his activation of Susann'o against Kirin.
Chiyo was never the intended target for Iron Sand World Order, Sakura was. Sasori knew without a puppet, Chiyo would be an ordinary person. He clearly states this somewhere in their fighter (shortly after destroying Chiyo's puppets).
If you really go back to Sasori's fight and notice his use of this particular technique, you'll notice how devastating it actually is.
That's actually an impressive point you raise about the coagulation of Iron Sand, whilst it takes longer than ordinary sand, being governed by the force of magnetism makes up for this. There's an extent to how fast Gaara's Sand can be manipulated, but magnetism being a force separate of chakra manipulation is an whole new league together, its potentially for attraction and repulsion is limitless. That being said, if the 3rd Kazekage acts as the main magnet Sasori, with his relatively sharp reflexes could use this to attract an instantaneous shield from already present Iron Sand on the terrain.
Also the coagulation of his Iron Sand could possible be explained by the purpose he was using for in his fight against Chiyo and Sakura. Gaara tends to use free flowing sand in an attempt to overwhelm his opponent whilst Sasori aims to injure his opponent to cause them to be poisoned.
Furthermore, he was in all out offensive mood against his opponents in his only fight, against Itachi he would be cautious to remain equally defensive as offensive, possibly suggesting a new use for his Iron Sand.
All of this might sound slightly theortical, but here's some evidence to back my claims.
Sasori showing himself to use Iron Sand directly from the terrain
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The 3rd Kazekage Puppet using its chest to control varying strengths of magnetic forces (Top Right Image)
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As for your remaining points, the fact that Iron Sand is sand based makes it difficult to cut/pierce directly, Kimmimaro's bones in that picture even look hollow. If the Iron Sand is condensed, its possible the Totsuka Blade can't penetrate it (it would take a stab not a slash, which would have a considerably lower force) but i wouldn't bet on it.
Even then, the purpose of Iron Sand World Order isn't to block the slashes of the sword but rather restrict his and its movements (he can't swing it) so there would be no opportunity for such a thing.
For the 4 time limit, are you sure its not a more chakra taxing method than Amaretsu or Tsukiyomi respectively ? Also that's implying he won't attempt Genjutsu (Itachi has no knowledge of his immunity) or Amaretsu for other purposes ?
dude amaterasu is instant... the reasons gaara's sand defended again sasukes amaterasu because sasuke was using it as a shield and also as a trap so the raikage hit it. But those instant cast amaterasus are way too fast to defend your self against with the sand. But besides thats not the point itachi doesnt even need to use amaterasu. One hit from susanoo and sasori is done... ONE HIT and on top of that sasori cant get itachi inside susanoo, he cant break it. Itachi is a genius and even if all these things fail(which i doubt) im pretty sure he can come up with a strategy. I am pretty sure Masashi Kishimoto made itachi stronger. I believe they are in totally different leagues. I dont even think Sasori is kage level
I do believe that Sasuke managed to dodge a few Amaterasu flames. Therefore it is not instantaneous. Sasori also isn't an amature fighter so he won't just let himself be vulnerable. He is a puppet user so Itachi still has to get past any puppets before he can attack Sasori. He also has to directly hit the heart to kill Sasori. Don't mistake Itachi being on some other earthly level than Sasori. Sasori is, based on his two fights, a genius as well. Against Kankuro he managed to remember his own puppets weaknesses...who knows how long its been since he has seen them...more ever against Chiyo he showed extrodinary talent. He first off had to make every puppet used, as well as having to kill all of the human puppets in order to make them into human puppets. He also had to formulate the poisions he used as well as to constantly change it so no one developed a cure...only reason Sakura had one was because Sasori had to seal a tailed beast and had no time to even think of switching out considering that sand shinobi st the least would have charged off to find Gaara...being a cautious fighter it would have swapped poisions as a precaution.
That is why I would say in terms of genius that are relatively on the same level. Both are geniuses in their manor of combat...don't underestimate Sasori.
Akatsuki is somewhere around Obito, Nagato, Itachi/Kisame/Kakuzu/Sasori (all about the same level), Konan, Black Zetsu, Hidan, White Zetsu.
Itachi wins..
Itachis inteligence and izanagi will do the work.. I read the entire post you have realy done a very nice job and i agree with all the sasoris counters that you mentioned but you underestimating itachi... Itachi is smart enough to know that susano can be countered if you manage to strike from beneath... And he is smart enough to fall in a trap like this... You also forgot that sharingans can read the enemys movements and if sasori switch bodies with any of his puppets itachi could see through this emidiately... Even if itachi get a directz hit he can activate izanagi and serve a fatal blow to sasori while he is off guard...i also think that one slash of totsuka is enough to destroy all the 100 puppets at once (but im not sure..) on the other hand i think that sasori can be outsmarted easily by itachi.. And im sure that itachi knows techniques that we dont even know.. For example if he wasnt resurected by edo then we wouldnt even know about izanami...
Itachi win this mid dif.. But you realy did a nice job so youve got my respect...
True that the Sharingan csn read movements, but not every move. Itachi didn't read that Sasuke's large shuriken were rigged to blow until the last minute. Also if Sasori relocated while on fire VIA something like Amaterasu it is possible the flames obscure the vision. Izanagi is a good point, but Itachi has never been seen using it. Izanami is useless as whole trying to string the key memories he could be hit and killed. Esp Itachi was cut in half by Kabuto trying this. It is also possible that Sasori knows his true desire and self as he wanted to be the perfect puppet and puppet user.
If Itachi had techniques we don't know about who is to say Sasori doesn't have them as well?! Iron sand, fire capable of melting rock, and every blades weapon being posionous that WILL kill seeing as Itachi can't have a cure makes me believe no matter what Itachi will only win with High difficulty if he wins. They are about the same strength to me.
This is Itachi not Edo Itachi.
Izanami only worked because Itachi was immortal, if you look back he was getting stabbed by Sasukes sword in it that means dying if he were not immortal.
With 100 puppets on the go Itachi couldn't get close enough to use Izanami on Sasori he would die in the process.
It's also highly unlikely that Sasori would challenge Itachi n his Hiruko puppet and much less likely that Itachi would use Susano'o right off the bat.
It would come down to 101 puppets vs Susano'o and if nothing else Sasori would outlast him since Itachi can't use it forever.
Totsuka would have to hit Sasori's heart thing to seal him also which he has shown he can shoot in to any of his other puppets meaning his body would be destroyed but he would still live.
People seem to forget that the reason Itachi was so strong in recent chapters is because he was immortal and had infinite chakra, it doesn't count as him being good.
I'll keep it simple, since my original argument was lost when my computer failed in life. So I had to rewrite everything. To keep it simpler for me, I'm not using any manga pages nor am I going too much into details. 1. Genjutsu
As long as Sasori and hear and see, his primary functions MUST be connected to his core, either via nerves or via chakra. And what do you think Itachi’s genjutsu affects? There’s no strong evidence that say the opposite, yet I have evidence that even though a person is dead/puppet/doesn’t have normal brain functions, they can still be caught in a genjutsu. That person is Pain…well 3 of his bodies actually. They got caught by the frogs, yet normally this shouldn’t have been possible.
2. Speed
I need to state the obvious here: Itachi is faster! Let’s use some ‘mix and match’ tactics:
A. Kakashi couldn’t see Itachi’s hand seals. Kakashi is a high level shinobi who was able to predict/read Zabuza’s movements as he was perfoming them (if you remember the hand seals part). Also to top it off, Itachi wasn’t even trying to kill Kakashi, yet his movements could not be read by a 3 tomoe sharingan.
B. Sakura was pretty much able to hold her own for a while with Sasori and definitely she could see his movements. And I’m pretty sure part II Sakura is still weaker than Zabuza.
From A and B => Itachi is faster than Sasori
3. The power of amaterasu
Amaterasu is the most underrated ninjutsu in the NU. Why? Because it was introduced as being “the strongest ninjutsu” and since then, it was very misused.
Here’s how strong amaterasu is:
Do you remember A? That loud raikage…yea that’s him. A is also one of the most durable shinobi in the manga. He’s very tanky and his specialty is taijutsu. BM Naruto had trouble hurting his father and I assure you he’s got the same genes, only perhaps he focuses more on speed and less on strength. To get to the point: it only took a few seconds for amaterasu to burn Raikage’s hand.
Itachi>Sasori. I’ll just end it here because I’m a bit bored now. I'll continue with the rest some other time.
1) To counter you're points on Genjutsu, you claim he needs nerves and etc ? Not exactly his core structure is vastly different to the human brain and its been shown Genjutsu requires a specific target section of the brain to function, something that is unique only to the brains of humans and animals. Sasori is neither.
Furthermore, Nagato was personally affected by the Sound Genjutsu due to him being linked to the paths (hearing what they hear, seeing what they see). Once Jiriaya dispelled the Genjutsu, Nagato was free to act once again. Whilst this is an assumption, its logically based.
2) Sakura didn't see Sasori's movements, was saved on multiple occasions, had time to adjust to his fighting style through Chiyo's own protection and guidance. Without Chiyo, Sakura died time and time again in that fight.
Even then she didn't see his movements, just got accustomed to his fighting style by learning his key tricks after a good portion of the fight. Itachi will have neither someone to guide him or save him in this fight.
His skills of anticipation can't possibly evade something as instantaneous as sound. Imo, magnetism's infinite capacity for speed (through attractive and repulsive forces) > Itachi.
3) Amaretsu has been shown to be shielded by something directly blocking its vision. In this case, Hiruko, Sasori's Iron Sand, his Akatsuki robe should all collectively serve this purpose.
Notice how quickly he can switch bodies (even though none of the puppet army looked like this switched into body). It leads me to believe that he reacted the instant the trap was thrown and also managed to conjure up a 2nd body for himself.
You might claim this is only a viable counter when his 100 Puppet army is active, but i have reason to think otherwise. Re-read the entire fight after he unleashed his army, does even a single one, look like Sasori's 2nd switched into body ? I didn't think so either.
His core seems to act of its own accord, reassembling his body when it was scattered after Sakura's punch, ejecting itself out of his original body and even possibly spawning him a 2nd body to switch into ?
1) To counter you're points on Genjutsu, you claim he needs nerves and etc ? Not exactly his core structure is vastly different to the human brain and its been shown Genjutsu requires a specific target section of the brain to function, something that is unique only to the brains of humans and animals. Sasori is neither.
Furthermore, Nagato was personally affected by the Sound Genjutsu due to him being linked to the paths (hearing what they hear, seeing what they see). Once Jiriaya dispelled the Genjutsu, Nagato was free to act once again. Whilst this is an assumption, its logically based.
2) Sakura didn't see Sasori's movements, was saved on multiple occasions, had time to adjust to his fighting style through Chiyo's own protection and guidance. Without Chiyo, Sakura died time and time again in that fight.
Even then she didn't see his movements, just got accustomed to his fighting style by learning his key tricks after a good portion of the fight. Itachi will have neither someone to guide him or save him in this fight.
His skills of anticipation can't possibly evade something as instantaneous as sound. Imo, magnetism's infinite capacity for speed (through attractive and repulsive forces) > Itachi.
3) Amaretsu has been shown to be shielded by something directly blocking its vision. In this case, Hiruko, Sasori's Iron Sand, his Akatsuki robe should all collectively serve this purpose.
Notice how quickly he can switch bodies (even though none of the puppet army looked like this switched into body). It leads me to believe that he reacted the instant the trap was thrown and also managed to conjure up a 2nd body for himself.
You might claim this is only a viable counter when his 100 Puppet army is active, but i have reason to think otherwise. Re-read the entire fight after he unleashed his army, does even a single one, look like Sasori's 2nd switched into body ? I didn't think so either.
His core seems to act of its own accord, reassembling his body when it was scattered after Sakura's punch, ejecting itself out of his original body and even possibly spawning him a 2nd body to switch into ?
1. My claim is not a 100% full proof one, but neither is yours. We don't have specifics on how genjutsu works, but if my Jirayia vs Pain genjutsu argument isn't valid, how about Ichibi (I think is his name) capturing one of the paths in a genjutsu?
Also, I have one logic that I follow when sustaining my argument that he only caught 3 paths, because judging by how fast the other bodies got to Jirayia, it could have only happened after the genjutsu, because otherwise they would have been too close and would have been caught as well. I am not excluding summoning jutsu and that may be the only leak in my argument.
2. Sakura was more receptive to his movements than you insinuate. Yes, he would have died if not for Chyio, but a full health Sasori could be read by 2 non sharingan users. By definition, sharingan users can see faster movements.
I will agree with you that Chyio is FAST, but remember that she went for Kakashi with full intent to kill, yet he stopped he on time, even when we wasn't prepared. And Itachi is faster than Kakashi.
"His skills of anticipation can't possibly evade something as instantaneous as sound" - here's my argument crusher: A veeeery weakened Itachi was able to intercept Kirin, a jutsu that uses lighting (obviously travels at the speed of light). A solid object (unless it's Goku) cannot travel at the speed of light (by logic) because its mass would be infinite. Therefore, the magnets cannot be faster than Kirin and Itachi at normal strength can react to it.
3. for you whole argument, all I can say is this: think how Itachi burned the whole surroundings when fighting against Sasuke. All 100 puppets wouldn't be able to escape for sure am I correct? So amaterasu is still a valuable weapon in his arsenal. I'm not expecting him to deliver his final blow via amaterasu, but surely he would decimate his opponent's numbers.
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