NB Team Debate League Round 2: Turnt Up vs Senko

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For real .. the judges should just judge already :rage:
 
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Im ready to go! Lemme judge :)
 
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^ I mean.... who wants to spend a few hours on reading everybody's arguments and make a detailed verdict just to be flamed? I don't blame them.
 
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Forbidden Technique said:
^ I mean.... who wants to spend a few hours on reading everybody's arguments and make a detailed verdict just to be flamed? I don't blame them.
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Its actually quite fun besides the flamed part .. I enjoy judging for the most part lol ... however people should not really be scared .. your the judge so what you say goes .
 
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KOA will be judging this match in a few moments. Please no flaming and respect his vote!
 
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Zexion~ said:
Its actually quite fun besides the flamed part .. I enjoy judging for the most part lol ... however people should not really be scared .. your the judge so what you say goes .
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Lawl, well then kudos to you because I would of been out like deadbeat dad.
 
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Zexion~ said:
Lmao XD ...But i mean KOA already gave his outcome ... -.- so its not a surprise what he is going to say
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Oh yeah.. i forgot KOA basically ready said he would vote for senko. probably shud of chose someone else to judge xd

Oh well lets just wait for his reasoning
 
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My Judgement

First up the doctor

What i did not like - I dont like how you split up team gai, i dont think you have the right to do so UNLESS you give me specific ideas on how it happens. i also wish you had covered more on beating gai (the reason of the spit did not come untill pc did it and to me thats to late as Senko could not counter)

What i liked - I liked how you used the summons in this match, and out of all of the people in the match that you tried to kill i think you did the best on neji.

Next up Draegod

Overall - Not a super strong nor weak post, i liked it better then you last one because i dont see any real errors in it. I have to say your best support was useing jman for exsaples of the speed limit of pain and how they can be hit. I also must say you took neji from a lower point to a mvp level but useing his eyes to worn everyone.I think you biggest mistake is that you did not try and bring up the divided team debate like it is later and i liked the air palms part. (like i said i liked it overall better then the last one due to the last one have a pure manga error wile this one did not have one that is obvious to me)

Sasori

"since by us having the first move, we pretty much decide how the match is going to start, as well as go down. "

This is not true at all, this is not chess were one move goes then the other does its a fight with both sides going at the same time

The bird was to say the least interesting i am not sure in the page of naruto page had the rotation going fully but it was certainly a good point. Your counter to lee is really kind of meh, if you useing the bird to kill neji (and thats not even for sure gonna work) its risky to pend your plan on it for lee aswell. Useing asura's power to take on gai may be your best bet, not on the same page as proof but i like your post overall.

Anub

I agree that you can say that your team does not break up

Its a soild post, i dont have any issues with it. I want to focus on what may have been your most solid part. Hirudora, that could take out a few paths do to them thinking that preta could absorb it and fail leaving them no time to act (like what happen to kisame) I also feel like the 8th gate part is fair

like i said i like your post

MilwaukeegHost

Are you unable to hyperlink pages, wile i know the manga quite well there are 1 or 2 times were i want to look at the page but you left a note so i just looked up stuff. If possible please leave a link. (not a major issue or anything)

- i have to say you made me think Gakido gets crused
- You also show that ten ten is not useless and with the fan can even do harm to pain


I know i am not giving your post justice, to be honest its the best of not just this match but any round 2 match.

Charles

Alright here is one of my issues, i have to say that team guys stays together for the reason that they had to post twice due to times and were unable to counter you on that (as they should have been)

A Overall solid and strong post however i think after reading it all that team gai may be able to take out deva its hard to say. Best post of your team.
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With all this in mind i dont simply look at who has the "stronger" points. If i did Turnt Up would have won. I look at the full scope of the match and who was more convincing . I think that the team that had team gai was able to convince me better then team turnt up.

For that reason I place my vote to Senko


I would also like to note that i feel no bias to any team.

I come from the same era of debate as anub so i can understand were a lot of his comments come from, and i am not insulted by team turnt up cockiness its all in good fun. I wish both teams the best of luck in the future and that both sides clearly put in a good amount of work and deserve recondition.

ANY questions in regard to my ruleing MUST be addressed via a pm to me
 
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GOD FUCKING DAMN IT...While I was writing my vote, my computer ran out of batteries and turned itself off, completely erasing all of my progress so far..Since that is the case, and since it would simply be physically impossible to write all this again right now (It's 3 fucking AM) this'll be a lot shorter than usual..

All an all, I felt that this debate wasn't very interesting if I am to be honest, mainly because of my great dislike towards the match up. (A quite unbalanced match up with ten different people involved, let's face it, it's gonna be chaos) However, despite that, both teams managed to put up fairly good arguments, which they deserve some props for.

Now, let's get to it..

All in all, your arguments were fairly solid. You were however, a bit off in your first post, simply because, as Draegod stated, you don't have the ability to control the actions of the opposing team, winning a debate where you can would pretty much be like beating yourself in a game of chess.

Meanwhile however, I liked your overall strong points, you showcased that your info on the paths truly is great, and managed to create an overall strong argument.

MVP: Prince Charles
Grade: 7/10​


Your posts, similar to Turnt Up's posts, were pretty solid too. Like in their case though, I did notice some flaws, such as Pein beginning the match by having Team Gai attack them, or Lee and Gai being able to easily get to the paths even before the Animal Path slams his hands on the ground in order to summon his allies, both of which I disagreed with.

Personally however, I felt that you did good, especially considering the fact that Team Gai is the underdog here.

MVP: MilwaukeegHost
Grade: 7/10​


As you can see, I gave both teams the same grade, a seven out of ten, simply because of the fact that I felt that the match was so even. With every post I read, my opinion was swayed back and forth time and time again, which is the main reason I am having so much trouble judging this match up. (The main reason this has taken me so long)

However, in the end, I feel that Senko was a bit superior in regards of the debate. The main reason for this is simply because when I opened this thread at first I barely saw any chance of Gai winning this, and even while I still believe Pein takes this right now, my opinion on this match up has indeed been changed, and I don't see it as uneven as it used to be before. Perhaps this may have something with Senko having had made the last post, (In a way, as technically PC's post was directed at Anub's post, while MH's post seemed to be more intended as a closing post) I'm not really sure. Either way, I believe that Senko deserves my vote on this one, although this match was indeed incredibly close.

On a different note, I'd like to apologize for just how long this has taken me to post. I realize that most of you were probably expecting my post to be a lot longer and that was indeed what I had planned to do, but frankly, I don't feel like waking up tomorrow and starting to create another one simply because that'd either result in an extremely sloppy post, or it would drag the match up on even longer, and frankly, I've dragged this on for long enough.

Anyways, shortly put, the debate was extremely close, but in the end, Senko has my vote in this match.​


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I'm not a judge, and I'm sorry if my opinion is not allowed post debate, but I believe Senko edged out this win. I've been analyzing this debate since it started, and even taking out the whole ruling debacle, I feel as if, Turnt Up's usage of splitting the teams up, was wrong and like -6 Paths- said, is like facing yourself in a game of chess. However, both sides had good posts, Senko's seemed more solidified in their particular context.

On a side note, I had to make my own Madara Avatar because of you -6 Paths-. It looked so good I needed to.
 
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