Narutobase Mythbuster

[Migualon J.J.]

Hashirama still could be alive, but it still negates the idea of him dying at the Valley of the End, since Konoha was the first, and Onoki was obviously years older.

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There are some pages in the spoiler if you want to check ages of Onoki.

Hashirama might still be alive but he references the Konoha Hokage faces, and Hashirama didn't live that long after Konoha was founded.


As to the Kabuto thing, yes he is probably the greatest medic nin in the series, but my entire point was that some people thought that all their jutsus came from the Byakugan, which isn't true, anyone can do any of those jutsus, the Hyuga just use them more effectively because they can actually see things more clearly.

still not sure about that thing with Gentle Fist

but i think you're wrong with Hashirama not being alive for long after creation of Konoha, because Hashirama was live at the time that Tsunade was born, and she was his granddaughter, which means he died when he was more than 50 (if we consider he had his child in 25 and that child had Tsunade in 25)

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

still not sure about that thing with Gentle Fist

but i think you're wrong with Hashirama not being alive for long after creation of Konoha, because Hashirama was live at the time that Tsunade was born, and she was his granddaughter, which means he died when he was more than 50 (if we consider he had his child in 25 and that child had Tsunade in 25)

Well I was just going off what the databook said. It said he died shortly after the founding of Konoha. Could be wrong but it is still Kishi's mistake either way. But how do you know he was alive when Tsunade was born? I know that Mito was but I didn't know that Hashirama was. I mean why would Tobirama have been Hokage then if Hashirama was still around?

Because we have manga pages showing us Hiruzen becoming the third Hokage when he is fairly young, and obviously Hashirama had been dead for a while because Tobirama had been Hokage long enough to go through multiple treaties with Kumogakure.

Not saying it isn't somewhere in the manga, but if it is then Kishi doesn't know how to stick to timelines at all.

Alright I guess I didn't explain myself well enough as everyone seems to be confused about the gentle fist one.

I saw many people who believe that the Byakugan is required to do gentle fist, and heavenly rotation, and everything else the Hyuga do, just like the sharingan is absolutely required to do Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.

I just meant that they are jutsus that use the Byakugan, but that they do not come from it in the same way that jutsus come from the sharingan.

Sorry I didn't make that more clear guys I didn't really word that post well.

 

[Owarij]

Damn, Can't rep you Q.Q

Can't think of anything to add in atm, but when I do i'll tell you



edit: Maybe you can cover the whole Kakashi isn't going blind thing... Painfully enough, people believe this

 

[Beastbomb]

Nice thread man and I agree with what you stated +rep.

I have a couple of good myths for you to clear up....
1-This one is a goodie, a lot of people think that if you have the EMS that you won't go blind if you use Izanagi or Izanami since EMS never looses its light. However I believe you will still go blind since not losing its light only refers to the jutsu's used by the MS or EMS maybe you could elaborate a bit more on that.

2-Is Hashirama's DNA needed for Izanagi? at first I thought so, but if Izanami is a "twin" so to speak to Izanagi and ultimitely has the same toll on the user. Then I would have thought that it would also require the same things to use it but I'm pretty sure Itachi doesn't have any of Hashirama's DNA.

 

[ComeOnPpl]

So this should put an end to whether Sasuke has Tsukuyomi because he would have to.....but it wont change anything people will still argue that he cant because he used Sharingan Genjutsu recently with Itachi -_-

Lol good try tho maybe it will stop some fighting

 

[Owarij]

Nice thread man and I agree with what you stated +rep.

I have a couple of good myths for you to clear up....
1-This one is a goodie, a lot of people think that if you have the EMS that you won't go blind if you use Izanagi or Izanami since EMS never looses its light. However I believe you will still go blind since not losing its light only refers to the jutsu's used by the MS or EMS maybe you could elaborate a bit more on that.

2-Is Hashirama's DNA needed for Izanagi? at first I thought so, but if Izanami is a "twin" so to speak to Izanagi and ultimitely has the same toll on the user. Then I would have thought that it would also require the same things to use it but I'm pretty sure Itachi doesn't have any of Hashirama's DNA.

As for the first one, we don't know, Using the jutsu and losing your light kind of defeats the whole name of "eternal" , Then again Continuous spamming of iznagi would be OP.. So I personally believe you still lose your eye... This is just one thing never clarified..

For the 2nd..Hashirama's dna isn't needed for izanagi...

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Damn, Can't rep you Q.Q

Can't think of anything to add in atm, but when I do i'll tell you



edit: Maybe you can cover the whole Kakashi isn't going blind thing... Painfully enough, people believe this

As in people on the base believe he is or is not going blind? I thought Blaze Release made a thread about just that? I didn't really read it but it got to hottest threads.

Nice thread man and I agree with what you stated +rep.

I have a couple of good myths for you to clear up....
1-This one is a goodie, a lot of people think that if you have the EMS that you won't go blind if you use Izanagi or Izanami since EMS never looses its light. However I believe you will still go blind since not losing its light only refers to the jutsu's used by the MS or EMS maybe you could elaborate a bit more on that.

2-Is Hashirama's DNA needed for Izanagi? at first I thought so, but if Izanami is a "twin" so to speak to Izanagi and ultimitely has the same toll on the user. Then I would have thought that it would also require the same things to use it but I'm pretty sure Itachi doesn't have any of Hashirama's DNA.

Yeah using Izanagi or Izanami with the EMS will still make someone go blind. It just means that they won't go blind from using MS jutsus.

Blaze Release also made a thread about this, Senju DNA is not needed to do Izanagi and Izanami. Hashirama's DNA was used to strengthen the effects/duration of Izanagi.

 

[EliteKakashi]

The lightning > water is kinda weird. Water(although if it's completely pure, it will only conduct a very slight amount) will conduct electricity. While this would mean nothing to someone who used a suiton jutsu to attack someone, it would mean something if that person is made of water(like suigetsu) or surrounds themselves in water(like Kisame's water dome).

While the Naruto-verse has often veered away from real-life facts, I would assume that Suigetsu is not made of completely pure water given it would be impossible for him to stay that way(then again, this is Naruto) and lightning would screw him up pretty badly.

I have a feeling if a raiton technique were used while Kisame was in his water dome, he'd turn in to a fishstick...but then again, this IS Naruto.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

The lightning > water is kinda weird. Water(although if it's completely pure, it will only conduct a very slight amount) will conduct electricity. While this would mean nothing to someone who used a suiton jutsu to attack someone, it would mean something if that person is made of water(like suigetsu) or surrounds themselves in water(like Kisame's water dome).

While the Naruto-verse has often veered away from real-life facts, I would assume that Suigetsu is not made of completely pure water given it would be impossible for him to stay that way(then again, this is Naruto) and lightning would screw him up pretty badly.

I have a feeling if a raiton technique were used while Kisame was in his water dome, he'd turn in to a fishstick...but then again, this IS Naruto.

Yeah Kishi doesn't know how to be consistent in the slightest. He makes it so the elements are balanced but then changes that up constantly.

I feel like Kisame would absorb any lightning attack, because remember he can still absorb chakra in his chakra dome.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Yeah Kishi doesn't know how to be consistent in the slightest. He makes it so the elements are balanced but then changes that up constantly.

I feel like Kisame would absorb any lightning attack, because remember he can still absorb chakra in his chakra dome.

Would the water conducting the electricity not hinder his ability to do that? I don't really know. It's too confusing to even try and figure out, lol.

 

[BloodSeed]

Alright guys here I am again in my third installment of debunking some common Naruto misconceptions floating around the base.

I will include my old ones (at least for my second installment, I can't seem to find my first one)

Myth#1 - Madara got the rinnegan during his fight with Hashirama.
Truth- I see this one all the time and it is 100% not true. I can prove it logically as well. Hashirama was the first Hokage no? And he died shortly after the founding of Konoha. Well we saw Onoki in a flashback talking to the first Tsuchikage as a child. We later see another flashback where he is fighting Madara as a teen/young adult. Guess what? That would not have happened if Madara had died at the Valley of the End.

Myth# 2 - Sage Mode gives you unlimited chakra.
Truth - Chakra is made up of 2 parts, the spiritual and physical energy. Senjutsu chakra is made up of 3 parts, the first 2 (spiritual and physical) combined with natural energy. As they must be in equal parts to work, that means that each constitutes 1/3rd of the total chakra in sage mode.

So instead of using the total chakra, you have 1/3rd more chakra than normal. So in essence you could fight for longer, but considering that all sage mode moves are usually large and chakra consuming, it kind of evens out, but that last part is just my opinion, the rest is just logical fact. You use 2/3rds the chakra that you normally would.

Myth#3 - Water is weak to lightning.
Truth - Water is weak to earth. Earth is weak to lightning. The only reason suigetsu was hurt by Darui's attack was because he is literally made of water and couldn't reform after Darui put a sword through him.


Myth #4 - Raiton armor makes both of the raikages immune to genjutsu.
Truth - raiton armor is electricity. It is no longer chakra in the sense that it is part of his chakra network and flows along his chakra pathway.

It quite literally cannot dispel genjutsu. In fact it makes it harder for genjutsu to be dispelled, because genjutsu can be broken only a few ways. Either a counter genjutsu (which must be done inside the genjutsu), disrupting your own chakra, or pain that is not caused by the genjutsu.

As the raiton armor for at least the third raikage literally prevents most things from touching him no one would be able to cause him pain to disrupt genjutsu. And as I pointed out earlier, lightning =/= chakra. Augmenting your speed and strength through lightning is not the same thing as disrupting your chakra and it never will be.


Myth #5 - Kage bunshins and bunshins are the same thing.
Truth - they are two separate jutsus. One is the final test to become a genin, the other is a jounin rank jutsu that divides the users chakra evenly between the clones and the original.

Bunshins are just illusions and cannot fight for you. At best they can distract or intimidate people.

Kage bunshins are what Naruto does, however they don't have to be shadow clones, they can be made of water, lighting, earth, wood, etc. Itachi even demonstrated the use of a crow clone.

Myth #6 - Guy and Lee are faster than Naruto and A.
Truth - By the rules set down by Kishi, it is impossible for them to be going as fast as A and Naruto.

If need be I will explain why, though I don't think I should need to.

Myth #7 - Gentle fist comes from the Byakugan.
Truth - It is a jutsu that is usable by anyone. The Hyuga just have an advantage because of they can see chakra and have x-ray vision.

Things like the Hyuga's kaiten and gentle fist are just jutsus, anyone can do them with practice. The only thing that they can't replicate is having the Byakugan.

Myth #8 - Hanzo can beat the 3 Sannin at the same time.
Truth - The Sannin were teenagers when they fought Hanzo that were nowhere near their prime. It also was full scale battle with allies for both sides. The name came just because they were the only survivors on their side, and Hanzo was the only survivor on his.


Myth #9 - You don't need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to have Susanoo
Truth - Yes you do. Databook says it. That is all.


I'll add more, and hopefully alot of people view this thread to get a few things straight, but there you go for now. Feel free to disagree, but state why with logic and facts.

can you confirm that mahiru is not a fodder?

he can make 20 shadow clones and he is going to defeat a newly promoted jounin and hailed as a prodigy named kakashi by just throwing a kunai if minato wasnt there to protect them

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any thoughts about this?

 

[Tsuki]

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