Naruto without the Nine-Tails

[Inmate]

wow..this guys is really stupid...and Bias As fu.ck!

What an asinine thing to say. Is this your way of forfeiting? I hadn't even chose sides; between Sasuke and Naruto and you're already out of your breath.

I wonder.

A toddler would have better insults than yours

Nevertheless, I will explain once more:

I will put this simpler for your infinitesimal brain:

(a) When Naruto accessed Kurama's chakra, his chakra control didn't change, did it?

and what's the difference between "Naruto's" and "Kurama's" chakra, potency right?

Unless you think by accessing said chakra Naruto somehow attains chakra proficiency, which is impossible

(b) Naruto could summon Gamabunta when he accessed the chakra.

What do you suppose was the reason?

Blatantly, it was its excessiveness, and additionally and possibly, it had matured to a level Naruto's chakra hadn't reached for a 12 year old.

Now, what's so hard to grasp about that?


Naruto's reliance on Kurama was (a) its excessiveness (b) potency (it enhanced Naruto's Rasengan offensive; that's potency)


Unless you have cancer in your brain, you will get the above explanation

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

I did. Where did it say Kurama was no longer encapsulated?

Regardless, I don't believe it'd make a difference. Even without Kurama, his chakra control wouldn't be as good as Sakura's honestly until Part 2.

Still grasping at straws i see.....

What an asinine thing to say. Is this your way of forfeiting? I hadn't even chose sides; between Sasuke and Naruto and you're already out of your breath.

I wonder.

A toddler would have better insults than yours

Nevertheless, I will explain once more:

I will put this simpler for your infinitesimal brain:

(a) When Naruto accessed Kurama's chakra, his chakra control didn't change, did it?

and what's the difference between "Naruto's" and "Kurama's" chakra, potency right?

Unless you think by accessing said chakra Naruto somehow attains chakra proficiency, which is impossible

(b) Naruto could summon Gamabunta when he accessed the chakra.

What do you suppose was the reason?

Blatantly, it was its excessiveness, and additionally and possibly, it had matured to a level Naruto's chakra hadn't reached for a 12 year old.

Now, what's so hard to grasp about that?


Naruto's reliance on Kurama was (a) its excessiveness (b) potency (it enhanced Naruto's Rasengan offensive; that's potency)


Unless you have cancer in your brain, you will get the above explanation

Big fool is at it again..
Naruto basically went for more chakra,because his control was Abysmal..
Wtf are you getting your speculations on potency?
Damn...deluded shit.

You can go if you want, I don't mind. I specifically stated that Sasuke did not have the curse-mark in this scenario and yet you're clamoring about Sasuke having a form of sage chakra. Try reading the thread itself before responding out of your hurry to defend your favorite character.

And how is Naruto not having the Nine-Tails a handicap? Aren't you just proving my point?

Yea..bye!

 

[NarutoX28]

Still grasping at straws i see.....

Ironic considering you're the dismissing my argument entirely which is the essence of straws.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Sennin, you're not rooted in reality friend, just..take a vacation or something.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Naruto would've lost to anyone in the chuunin exam bar Kiba, sakura,ino, and hinata if he doesn't have kyuubi Chakra entact.

 

[Inmate]

Big fool is at it again..
Naruto basically went for more chakra,because his control was Abysmal..
Wtf are you getting your speculations on potency?
Damn...deluded shit.

Infantile

 

[Itachi Edo]

How would he have fared against Sasuke at the Valley Of The End, in part one?

Sasuke in this scenario has no curse-mark.

And Naruto has no access to any Nine-Tails chakra at all.


In my opinion, I found him lacking at the beginning of the fight when he wasn't using Nine-Tails chakra, all of his attacks were read through and countered by Sasuke and his only chance at winning was through Rasengan or Shadow-clone spam. Despite the fact that he initiated the fight, he had to tap into a foreign source twice in order to come close to winning.

And don't say Naruto was "holding back", if his only way to bring Sasuke back was through using so much power that he would end up killing Sasuke, then he's not really all that strong on his own merit is he?

VoE 1, I'd give an edge to Sasuke. No Kurama means Naruto would have better control over his chakra, meaning he wouldn't waste it, but Sasuke skills wise was still the better between the two. That fight, under this scenario, would come down to skill vs skill. Sasuke, mid to high difficulty

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

VoE 1, I'd give an edge to Sasuke. No Kurama means Naruto would have better control over his chakra, meaning he wouldn't waste it, but Sasuke skills wise was still the better between the two. That fight, under this scenario, would come down to skill vs skill. Sasuke, mid to high difficulty

high difficulty

 

[Itachi Edo]

high difficulty

I dunno. Sasuke did copy Lee's movements. You don't think he'd have the edge?

 

[Umari Senju]

I dunno. Sasuke did copy Lee's movements. You don't think he'd have the edge?

It's the clones. Naruto was really adept at, not only making clones, but transforming them as well. Add the shear number of them he can make even without Kurama's chakra and how he uses them- Sasuke can, and has, found himself overwhelmed. Like on the rooftop of the hospital. Still I believe Sasuke would take this scenario eventually.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Gamabunta wrecks Sasuke.

 

[whiteboy2345]

If Gamabunta is doing all of the killing, what does that change?

Plus, Naruto needed the Kyuubi's chakra to summon him, so that's not happening in this scenario.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

If Gamabunta is doing all of the killing, what does that change?

Plus, Naruto needed the Kyuubi's chakra to summon him, so that's not happening in this scenario.

This is why I pray to NaruJesus that his son Boruto doesn't end up like his father and get Kyuubi power to rely on.

 

[RinneBlitz]

Both of them were holding back because they really didn't want to kill each other. However, in a real death match Naruto would still win without Kurama because Gamabunta solos Sasuke hard by chopping him in half. Thank you and Naruto Uzumaki FTW.

Naruto would've summoned Gamakichi or Gamatatsu if he didn't use Kurama's chakra. The only way he could summon Gamabunta was by using Kurama's chakra. And then Sasuke would've solo'd him.

 

[davidou]

Kurama is altering Naruto's chakra control from his birth.
Who knows how strong he would become with a better chakra control from his birth.

Remember that Naruto vs Sasuke at climbing trees in part 1 was almost a draw, even with Kurama altering Naruto's chakra control.Without Kurama, Naruto's chakra control>Sasuke's.
He mastered the most difficult chakra shape manipulation in days with Kurama altering his chakra control, imagine how long it would have taken without Kurama, same for sage mode, he is a prodigy at manipulating natural energy even with Kurama altering his chakra control...Naruto without Kurama would have been taught Hiraishin by his father (not dead without Kurama)...
Naruto without Kurama>>>Sasuke.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Naruto would still end up winning and just in case you didn't notice he did hold back and still did quite a lot of damage. Hell, Naruto made his point in proving Sasuke wrong by scratching his forehead protector. Disproving what Sasuke said early that Naruto still wouldn't be able to scratch his forehead. Imagine if Naruto decided on a different course. Yeah. Then there's his summon, which he didn't use.:sdo:

Kurama for Naruto was more of a nuisance than help in part 1. In fact any chakra Naruto used from Kurama was more than well deserved.

In any case, borrowed powers aside, it's still Naruto>>>>>Sasuke.

An experienced SM Naruto is superior to an experienced MS Sasuke.

Exactly. Sausage faps would say that Sasuke spared him during VoTE 1 but that's not the case. Its Naruto who spared his life just like VoTE 2.

 

[Hakke]

Naruto (without Kurama) = Sasuke (without Sharingan and the curse-mark )

 

[whiteboy2345]

Exactly. Sausage faps would say that Sasuke spared him during VoTE 1 but that's not the case. Its Naruto who spared his life just like VoTE 2.

When Naruto was knocked out cold in the rain, Sasuke could have stabbed him to death, or suffocated him.

Just because Naruto refused to fight seriously doesn't mean hes "holding back". He fought his hardest and still lost, and even got aid from the Nine-Tails and still he lost.

Pretty pathetic.

 

[Mori Jin]

All I hear is fap fap fap fap. Why are you using the same scenario as the manga? The story would be different and Kishi would have given Naruto something else instead of Kurama and he still would have lost at that thanks to plot no jutsu. Even if Naruto had every single Kekkei Genkai known in the series was a perfect jinchuuriki and knew most known jutsu's, he still would have lost to sasuke because the author wanted a part 2, plot plot plot.

 

[Hakke]

When Naruto was knocked out cold in the rain, Sasuke could have stabbed him to death, or suffocated him.

Just because Naruto refused to fight seriously doesn't mean hes "holding back". He fought his hardest and still lost, and even got aid from the Nine-Tails and still he lost.

Pretty pathetic.

he wasn't really that pathetic , he gave Sasuke a hell of a fight , Sasuke was just too strong

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now that's really PATHETIC
even Sakura didn't stoop to such a level