Naruto without the Nine-Tails

[Inmate]

Did you mean Curse mark 2 3T Sasuke > 1-Tail bijuu cloak Naruto or are we talking Part II as well here:wut:

Part 1 and yes, I meant CM 2

 

[VVolfVVarrior]

It would be draw. Because its always only draw.

 

[Nick01]

Naruto would still end up winning and just in case you didn't notice he did hold back and still did quite a lot of damage. Hell, Naruto made his point in proving Sasuke wrong by scratching his forehead protector. Disproving what Sasuke said early that Naruto still wouldn't be able to scratch his forehead. Imagine if Naruto decided on a different course. Yeah. Then there's his summon, which he didn't use.:sdo:

Kurama for Naruto was more of a nuisance than help in part 1. In fact any chakra Naruto used from Kurama was more than well deserved.

In any case, borrowed powers aside, it's still Naruto>>>>>Sasuke.

An experienced SM Naruto is superior to an experienced MS Sasuke.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

When Sasuke's curse-mark receded, he was still able to handle Naruto's taijutsu with just a two-tomoed Sharingan. I just found it pathetic that Naruto had nothing else up his sleeve besides the Rasengan and Shadow-clones. Even before he awakened the third tomoe, he was smacking Naruto around.

Actually, only a small amount of feats were performed with the curse-mark. A punch, a chidori, and handling Naruto's One-Tailed cloak.

The rest of his feats were not involved with the curse-mark, while the majority of Naruto's feats involved the chakra of the Nine-Tails. And the fact is, even though he was 13, so was Sasuke. Sasuke's plethora of Fire techniques weren't too shabby and his taijutsu was nice and fluid, despite his clan being long dead before they could teach him anything.

They were both the same age, and yet by what we saw, Sasuke's skill was logically above Naruto's. Everything that led up to the fight paved the way for the results.

Huh God...Dude your so pathetic ...
If you still know the victor after your quivalent,why make this thread?
Bait in disquice,and nornal sauce fan over exhibiting sasukes power to repeatedly wank him...

 

[NarutoX28]

Both of them were holding back because they really didn't want to kill each other. However, in a real death match Naruto would still win without Kurama because Gamabunta solos Sasuke hard by chopping him in half. Thank you and Naruto Uzumaki FTW.

The dude can't summon Gamabunta without Kurama's chakra. Now I know you faps are trolling.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

The dude can't summon Gamabunta without Kurama's chakra. Now I know you faps are trolling.

Oh Jeeze...you like underestimating Naruto at ever turn,but its cool,means hes powerful enough for saucy fanboys to hate.
Naruto can summun Gamabunta without Kurama.'s chakra!
For God's sake,at 13 he already has 4 times kakashi's chakra,a seasoned jouinin without kurama...
And even with the lil chakra being siphoned by Naruto from kurama,it still makes Naruto chakra control wacky.
He'd have better comtrol than that...
I dont really see how he cant...
But why do i even bother,your hate has blinded the shit out of you..

 

[NarutoX28]

Oh Jeeze...you like underestimating Naruto at ever turn,but its cool,means hes powerful enough for saucy fanboys to hate.
Naruto can summun Gamabunta without Kurama.'s chakra!
For God's sake,at 13 he already has 4 times kakashi's chakra,a seasoned jouinin without kurama...
And even with the lil chakra being siphoned by Naruto from kurama,it still makes Naruto chakra control wacky.
He'd have better comtrol than that...
I dont really see how he cant...
But why do i even bother,your hate has blinded the shit out of you..

He can't because every time he's done it with his own chakra, the jutsu always failed and his best performance was summoning Gamakichi. Jiraiya stated that chakra control was irrelevant, so instead, Jiraiya prioritized Naruto's ability to harness as much chakra as he could via Kurama instead of focusing on chakra control, so I'm not sure why mentioning Naruto's inept chakra control even matters here.

Everything points towards Naruto being incapable of doing so without Kurama because Jiraiya made it implicit.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

He can't because every time he's done it with his own chakra, the jutsu always failed and his best performance was summoning Gamakichi. Jiraiya stated that chakra control was irrelevant, so instead, Jiraiya prioritized Naruto's ability to harness as much chakra as he could via Kurama instead of focusing on chakra control, so I'm not sure why mentioning Naruto's inept chakra control even matters here.

Everything points towards Naruto being incapable of doing so without Kurama because Jiraiya made it implicit.

As you mentioned,that training was only important because he lacked the necessary control to do that...he kept summoning tadpoles bevause of his inept chakra control,Jirraiya stated that while removing the seal Oro placed on Naruto.
Even Jiraiya had abysmal control when tsunade poisoned him
And jiraiya made naruto jump of the cliff so he could tap into kurama's chakra,not for something as summoning the toad boss....

 

[NarutoX28]

As you mentioned,that training was only important because he lacked the necessary control to do that...he kept summoning tadpoles bevause of his inept chakra control,Jirraiya stated that while removing the seal Oro placed on Naruto.
Even Jiraiya had abysmal control when tsunade poisoned him
And jiraiya made naruto jump of the cliff so he could tap into kurama's chakra,not for something as summoning the toad boss....

He stated this after the seal was removed. Umari Senju just refuted that.

No, Jiraiya forced Naruto off the cliff to summon Gamabunta which was only possible through Kurama's chakra. There's literally no way Naruto would've survived without Gamabunta and Jiraiya knew that.

Jiraiya was somewhat debilitated by the poison, but his chakra control still eclipsed Naruto's through experience and his ability to muster up a massive swamp that easily restrained Orochimaru's summons.

 

[Inmate]

Oh Jeeze...you like underestimating Naruto at ever turn,but its cool,means hes powerful enough for saucy fanboys to hate.
Naruto can summun Gamabunta without Kurama.'s chakra!
For God's sake,at 13 he already has 4 times kakashi's chakra,a seasoned jouinin without kurama...
And even with the lil chakra being siphoned by Naruto from kurama,it still makes Naruto chakra control wacky.
He'd have better comtrol than that...
I dont really see how he cant...
But why do i even bother,your hate has blinded the shit out of you..

We don't neglect that Naruto's chakra was immense. But wasn't "chakra control" always the issue with Naruto?

 

[NarutoX28]

We don't neglect that Naruto's chakra was immense. But wasn't "chakra control" always the issue with Naruto?

Yes, that was the reason why Jiraiya focused on Naruto's immense reserves via Kurama to compensate for that.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

We don't neglect that Naruto's chakra was immense. But wasn't "chakra control" always the issue with Naruto?

Yes it was,and the cause of Naruto's bad chakra control was kurama..
As OP said,remove kurama and you have a Naruto with a better chakra control..hes summoning the hell out of Gamabunta or any other battle toads.

 

[Inmate]

Yes, that was the reason why Jiraiya focused on Naruto's immense reserves via Kurama to compensate for that.

It's laughable how Naruto fans just don't want to accept that truth.

Naruto had insufficient chakra control to summon him. And his undeveloped chakra potency wasn't helping either. It was stated that teenagers usually had impotent chakra, which was the key requirement along with chakra control to summon without fail.

Our Naruto here lacked in both regions. How then do you suppose he was able to summon with just his own chakra and unaided ability?

Anyways, I feel I shouldn't be too much on Sasuke's side. Naruto indeed had the capacity, but it was a slim chance he'd summon Gamabunta. He'd have to concentrate all of his chakra in that one technique, and if it succeeded, his chakra pool would be utterly drained. He would be quite susceptible to Sasuke and would certainly lose

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

It's laughable how Naruto fans just don't want to accept that truth.

Naruto had insufficient chakra control to summon him. And his undeveloped chakra potency wasn't helping either. It was stated that teenagers usually had impotent chakra, which was the key requirement along with chakra control to summon without fail.

Our Naruto here lacked in both regions. How then do you suppose he was able to summon with just his own chakra and unaided ability?

Anyways, I feel I shouldn't be too much on Sasuke's side. Naruto indeed had the capacity, but it was a slim chance he'd summon Gamabunta. He'd have to concentrate all of his chakra in that one technique, and if it succeeded, his chakra pool would be utterly drained. He would be quite susceptible to Sasuke and would certainly lose

Its laughable how you can come up with you own sets of assumption,trully remarkable
Naruto had bad chajra control,yes..
But what the **** with chakra potency?
Now your just spewing nonsense to back up preposterous claims.
Dude when the hell has chakra potency got anything to do with naruto performing a summoning techniques....wow..this guys is really stupid...and Bias As fu.ck!

 

[NarutoX28]

Yes it was,and the cause of Naruto's bad chakra control was kurama..
As OP said,remove kurama and you have a Naruto with a better chakra control..hes summoning the hell out of Gamabunta or any other battle toads.

This is true except for the fact that Kurama's chakra was never explicitly stated to be removed, it seems to me that he implied that it was just restricted.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

He stated this after the seal was removed. Umari Senju just refuted that.

No, Jiraiya forced Naruto off the cliff to summon Gamabunta which was only possible through Kurama's chakra. There's literally no way Naruto would've survived without Gamabunta and Jiraiya knew that.

Jiraiya was somewhat debilitated by the poison, but his chakra control still eclipsed Naruto's through experience and his ability to muster up a massive swamp that easily restrained Orochimaru's summons.

Trying to teach Naruto chakra control wasnt working because of the influx of kurama's chakra and how well its an handicapp for him,Jiraiya in all bouts of insistence decided to forego chakra control and went with applying more power hence the pushing of Naruto into a cliff..
Imagine if kurama wasnt an inhidrance to Naruto's chakra,he wasnt even there to begin with,and Naruto would still be capable of summoning without having to by the careful utilisation of proper chakra control.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Naruto would still end up winning and just in case you didn't notice he did hold back and still did quite a lot of damage. Hell, Naruto made his point in proving Sasuke wrong by scratching his forehead protector. Disproving what Sasuke said early that Naruto still wouldn't be able to scratch his forehead. Imagine if Naruto decided on a different course. Yeah. Then

Naruto tried his hardest, he didn't "hold back". His only means of winning was by going to the second-tail which he couldn't do without killing himself and Sasuke. And unlike him, I doubt Sasuke would sit there and let Naruto's A-Rank attack hit him in the shoulder. Sasuke actually took the minimum amount of hits within the fight, and I believe Naruto landed as many as 2-4 hits in the manga fight.

Who cares if Naruto scratched the mans headband, that wasn't his mission. The facts show that Naruto in his base form would have been unable to bring Sasuke back, it wasn't within his power, but only within the power of the Nine-Tails. By the way, Naruto scratched Sasuke's headband while they were suspended in the air with neither able to move.

Naruto couldn't summon Gamabunta without the chakra of the Nine-Tails, in this scenario he can't use the Nine-Tails so summons are out of the question.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

This is true except for the fact that Kurama's chakra was never explicitly stated to be removed, it seems to me that he implied that it was just restricted.

Lol...now your grasping at straws..typical..
Read the topic of the thread again...

Naruto tried his hardest, he didn't "hold back". His only means of winning was by going to the second-tail which he couldn't do without killing himself and Sasuke. And unlike him, I doubt Sasuke would sit there and let Naruto's A-Rank attack hit him in the shoulder. Sasuke actually took the minimum amount of hits within the fight, and I believe Naruto landed as many as 2-4 hits in the manga fight.

Who cares if Naruto scratched the mans headband, that wasn't his mission. The facts show that Naruto in his base form would have been unable to bring Sasuke back, it wasn't within his power, but only within the power of the Nine-Tails. By the way, Naruto scratched Sasuke's headband while they were suspended in the air with neither able to move.

Naruto couldn't summon Gamabunta without the chakra of the Nine-Tails, in this scenario he can't use the Nine-Tails so summons are out of the question.

Handicaps Naruto and states in his base form.,.to fight a teenager with both a form of sage chakra and Sharigan..Nice..
I take back what i said..your also one of the more deluded sauce fans....am oyuta here..you have no reasonable arguement to supply...

 

[whiteboy2345]

Handicaps Naruto and states in his base form.,.to fight a teenager with both a form of sage chakra and Sharigan..Nice..
I take back what i said..your also one of the more deluded sauce fans....am oyuta here..you have no reasonable arguement to supply...

You can go if you want, I don't mind. I specifically stated that Sasuke did not have the curse-mark in this scenario and yet you're clamoring about Sasuke having a form of sage chakra. Try reading the thread itself before responding out of your hurry to defend your favorite character.

And how is Naruto not having the Nine-Tails a handicap? Aren't you just proving my point?

 

[NarutoX28]

Lol...now your grasping at straws..typical..
Read the topic of the thread again...

I did. Where did it say Kurama was no longer encapsulated?

Regardless, I don't believe it'd make a difference. Even without Kurama, his chakra control wouldn't be as good as Sakura's honestly until Part 2.