Naruto without the Nine-Tails

[whiteboy2345]

Nah..You know its a lie bro...with everything Naruto knew,and the teamwork he showed against Garra not factoring kurama's chakra..Naruto would have dealt the hurt on Sasuke if he summoned Gamabunta...

Naruto needed the Nine-Tails chakra to summon Gamabunta, it wasn't within his chakra level to do it yet. Naruto would need to tap into the Kyuubi's chakra, and one of the main stipulations of my scenario is that Naruto CANNOT use the Kyuubi so this would be impossible.

Wrong!
Jiraita pushed him in so he would be able to tap into that second nature of chakra...and Naruto was summoning tadpoles because his chakra control was out of whack thatnks to Orochimaru...
So your points are invalid Bro.

Even after Jiraiya fixed the seal Naruto was still summoning tadpoles.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

2nd nature type?....Naruto.....okay bro enlighten me. What was Naruto's 2nd Nature type in Part I pray tell?...

Kurama's chakra
Second type of chakra..thats what i meant...

Even after Jiraiya fixed the seal Naruto was still summoning tadpoles.

The seal and kurama in its entirety was more a borden to Naruto that a blessing...
It kept distabilising his chakra control.
It was even stated that without kurama,Naruto had 4 times kakashi's whole chakra,who is a seasoned jounin.
So,thats why he kept summoning tadpoles...
Even jiraiya kept summoning tadpoles when tsunade's poison messed up his chakra control.
And it was never stated Naruto lacked enough chakra on his own to summon gamabunta prior to him being pushed by Jiraiya..so ur bringing up a moot point.

Naruto needed the Nine-Tails chakra to summon Gamabunta, it wasn't within his chakra level to do it yet. Naruto would need to tap into the Kyuubi's chakra, and one of the main stipulations of my scenario is that Naruto CANNOT use the Kyuubi so this would be impossible.

As i said,Naruto's chakra being 4 times kakashi's without kurama,is more than enough to summon Gamabunta..
He lacked the chakra control,thats why...so with kurama gone,he has no such restriction...

 

[SenseiSama]

I don't think you fully understood what the OP was asking. We are talking about Part I Naruto and Sasuke. The 1st VOTE fight there is no Sage Mode for Naruto yet.

And as to the others with the argument about summoning Gamabunta. It wasn't because he was out of chakra. Jiraiya spefically pushed Naruto off a cliff for his summoning training because on his own he was only summoning tadpoles. In order to get Gamabunta he need access to his "red chakra" (Kurama) which, at the time, was only accessible when his life was in danger.

That's why Jiraiya pushed him off the cliff, and that's why he was able to summon him during the Gaara fight.

Oh ok, but still... Kishi would've just given him another power to match Sasuke because the whole theme is about Yin and Yang

 

[whiteboy2345]

Oh ok, but still... Kishi would've just given him another power to match Sasuke because the whole theme is about Yin and Yang

In this scenario there is no Kishi this or that, we're going on how strong he would be during that fight, without the Nine-Tails. If Naruto needed the Kyuubi to be even with Sasuke, then the recovery mission would have been double the failure.

 

[Mori Jin]

It would be a different story and the author would have given him some other power. But sasuke would've always won that first fight because author wanted a part 2 so you can say that fight was plot.

 

[SSStylish]

Bait thread....You didnt succeed in the previous thread...so you made a counter thread...nice.
Naruto solo's anyway...Gamabunta shatz on sasuke..

>Summons ever doing shit
>Letting some1 else beat your opponent =solo
AHAHAHAHA

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

>Summons ever doing shit
>Letting some1 else beat your opponent =solo
AHAHAHAHA

But it still shatz on sasuke tho....

 

[whiteboy2345]

SSSTylish has a point, if someone else is doing the work, it's not really a reflection of Naruto's strength.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

In this scenario there is no Kishi this or that, we're going on how strong he would be during that fight, without the Nine-Tails. If Naruto needed the Kyuubi to be even with Sasuke, then the recovery mission would have been double the failure.

Its like your being ignorant on purpose,
Without kurama,Naruto has better chakra control,and even then,he stiol has a chakra capacity 4 times larger than Kakashi's...i dont see why he cant summon gamabunta.

SSSTylish has a point, if someone else is doing the work, it's not really a reflection of Naruto's strength.

It still gets the Job done..so **** his opinion.
Tell that to Hanzo and his powerful summon Ibuse.
Also,tell that to Madara when he Used Kurama against hashirama.
Tell that to Hiruzen and enma..
I could go on bro..
Just do urself a favour an d shut this thread down.

 

[Nagi]

LMAO. Naruto didn't know the basic of Ninja skills in part 1. Jiraiya spent 3 years teaching him the basic. Without Kurama, Sasuke would've handled naruto with no problem at all in that VoTE part 1 fight.

 

[Soulsnipes]

There was a fight similar to this in the war arc flashback, it was a stalemate.

 

[Nagi]

It still gets the Job done..so **** his opinion.
Tell that to Hanzo and his powerful summon Ibuse.
Also,tell that to Madara when he Used Kurama against hashirama.
Tell that to Hiruzen and enma..
I could go on bro..
Just do urself a favour an d shut this thread down.

But Hashirama is a ten tails beast without the eye. He was Godly stupidly strong and you know it!

You just mad that Naruto ain't shit without a Kurama. It is okay. At least he won in the end of the manga!

 

[lndra]

Naruto would of lost

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

But Hashirama is a ten tails beast without the eye. He was Godly stupidly strong and you know it!

Uyea,and so?
OP is trying to be cynical and Bias,so i brought iit up..
And i havnt seen him counter shit& tt

 

[whiteboy2345]

There was a fight similar to this in the war arc flashback, it was a stalemate.

I need specifics, and I was talking about part one. Not part two.

 

[Umari Senju]

>Summons ever doing shit
>Letting some1 else beat your opponent =solo
AHAHAHAHA

Why not. Don't act like Madara didn't use Kurama to fight Hashirama while Hashirama did no such thing.

Danzo used elephant
Orochimaru snakes and Edo
Sasuke Snakes and Hawk
Hiruzen-Gemma
Tsunade-Slugs
Jiraiya-Frogs
Kakashi-Dogs
Gai-Turtle

Should I continue?

I love how you guys act like Naruto is nothing without Kurama. Part I he was what 12? And you expect him to what-summon armies of toads and go into sage mode eh?

Also half the feats Sauce performed to tag Naruto in VOTE I was him in Curse Mark I. in this scenario Sauce has no Curse mark so he needs to make it to the 3 Tomoe before he starts laying hands on Narturo.

Still the scenario would play out the same. Sasuke was dated to win that for story advancement.

 

[Inmate]

The point of this thread is to prove Sasuke would have been stronger if Naruto didn't have Kurama as his helper, right?

And you gave fundamentally scrupulous and legit evidence that Sasuke would indeed have been the victor of that fight.

The answer is yes, but what you should be asking is will the base accept that fact?

But then the narutobase has always been adamant to allow Sasuke-related information to phase through into their brains.


I'll make the info simple for "easy grasp"

2T Sasuke = Base Naruto

3T Sasuke > Base Naruto

CM 3T Sasuke = Nine-Tails Naruto

I would think too that with Sasuke getting a power-up when Naruto does he should be stronger, but somehow, Kishi wasn't concerned about their powers being on the same level, just as long as in the end they were equal somehow. So, both were equal in the end, but if you subtract Kurama out of the equal, Naruto's powers are stripped down to below Sasuke's

 

[whiteboy2345]

I love how you guys act like Naruto is nothing without Kurama. Part I he was what 12? And you expect him to what-summon armies of toads and go into sage mode eh?

Also half the feats Sauce performed to tag Naruto in VOTE I was him in Curse Mark I. in this scenario Sauce has no Curse mark so he needs to make it to the 3 Tomoe before he starts laying hands on Narturo.

Still the scenario would play out the same. Sasuke was dated to win that for story advancement.

When Sasuke's curse-mark receded, he was still able to handle Naruto's taijutsu with just a two-tomoed Sharingan. I just found it pathetic that Naruto had nothing else up his sleeve besides the Rasengan and Shadow-clones. Even before he awakened the third tomoe, he was smacking Naruto around.

Actually, only a small amount of feats were performed with the curse-mark. A punch, a chidori, and handling Naruto's One-Tailed cloak.

The rest of his feats were not involved with the curse-mark, while the majority of Naruto's feats involved the chakra of the Nine-Tails. And the fact is, even though he was 13, so was Sasuke. Sasuke's plethora of Fire techniques weren't too shabby and his taijutsu was nice and fluid, despite his clan being long dead before they could teach him anything.

They were both the same age, and yet by what we saw, Sasuke's skill was logically above Naruto's. Everything that led up to the fight paved the way for the results.

 

[Inmate]

The point of this thread is to prove Sasuke would have been stronger if Naruto didn't have Kurama as his helper, right?

And you gave fundamentally scrupulous and legit evidence that Sasuke would indeed have been the victor of that fight.

The answer is yes, but what you should be asking is will the base accept that fact?

But then the narutobase has always been adamant to allow Sasuke-related information to phase through into their brains.


I'll make the info simple for "easy grasp"

2T Sasuke = Base Naruto

3T Sasuke > Base Naruto

CM 3T Sasuke = Nine-Tails Naruto

I would think too that with Sasuke getting a power-up when Naruto does he should be stronger, but somehow, Kishi wasn't concerned about their powers being on the same level, just as long as in the end they were equal somehow. So, both were equal in the end, but if you subtract Kurama out of the equation, Naruto's powers are stripped down to below Sasuke's

 

[Umari Senju]

The point of this thread is to prove Sasuke would have been stronger if Naruto didn't have Kurama as his helper, right?

And you gave fundamentally scrupulous and legit evidence that Sasuke would indeed have been the victor of that fight.

The answer is yes, but what you should be asking is will the base accept that fact?

But then the narutobase has always been adamant to allow Sasuke-related information to phase through into their brains.


I'll make the info simple for "easy grasp"

2T Sasuke = Base Naruto

3T Sasuke > Base Naruto

CM 3T Sasuke = Nine-Tails Naruto

I would think too that with Sasuke getting a power-up when Naruto does he should be stronger, but somehow, Kishi wasn't concerned about their powers being on the same level, just as long as in the end they were equal somehow. So, both were equal in the end, but if you subtract Kurama out of the equal, Naruto's powers are stripped down to below Sasuke's

Did you mean Curse mark 2 3T Sasuke > 1-Tail bijuu cloak Naruto or are we talking Part II as well here:wut: