Naruto without Kurama is the same as Sasuke without his eyes

[saw2097]

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Like I said, his own chakra has been enhanced since birth. Another requirement of SM is a strong body which might be thanks to him being a Uzamaki, but there is no proof that it is.

Like I said, go back and reread the bit after he was first shown in the 4 tailed form, his talk with Yamato when he gives him a hard time for using the 9 tails chakra.

He tell him that his own chakra is what keeps the 9 tails at bay.

Also during Kushina's flashback, the reason she was chosen to be a Jinchuriki is because she had powerful and a large amount of chakra.

 

[ANiMUS]

Then wait did Kakashi mean by Naruto have at least twice his chakra?

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That is still measuring Naruto's own chakra after years of taking in Kurama's chakra.

 

[lanakui8]

I think it's more like naruto w/o kurama = Sasuke w/o Itachi's eyes. So MS Sasuke and SM Naruto.

But anyways, the argument about who has more given/stolen/borrowed powers is pointless since all chakra and therefore all powers have been stolen/borrowed from the shinjuu.

 

[saw2097]

That is still measuring Naruto's own chakra after years of taking in Kurama's chakra.

So you are ignoring the issue that you need large chakra reserves to contain a tailed beast?

 

[ANiMUS]

Like I said, go back and reread the bit after he was first shown in the 4 tailed form, his talk with Yamato when he gives him a hard time for using the 9 tails chakra.

He tell him that his own chakra is what keeps the 9 tails at bay.

Also during Kushina's flashback, the reason she was chosen to be a Jinchuriki is because she had powerful and a large amount of chakra.

I am sorry, but there is something you are not getting. I am saying that Naruto's chakra is indeed large, (Naruto on his own, not combined with the Kyuubi is strong) but Naruto's chakra is that large because Naruto and Kurama's chakra has been passively mixing since he was a child. The seal mixes Kurama's chakra with Naruto's and makes Naruto's own chakra pool larger, Naruto's own large chakra pool suppresses Kurama.

 

[fuuton]

Sasuke wasn't fighting someone who was trying to kill him, he tried to use it on Sakura with her back turn and was trying to use it on Naruto who wanted to clash with him so he can read his mind. Minato stated that chidori was an incomplete jutsu since you can't see the enemy's counter attack

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. Lee also said he can never use a jutsu like that even if he was able too because he doesn't have the "eyes" to see the counter Gaara gave

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I'm not talking about whether its complete or not, Sasuke atm can withstand the chidori without his sharingan.

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re-read the chap 485,486,487.. sasuke wasn't intending to chat with naruto.. as u read ull see naruto is the one who talks the most.

 

[saw2097]

I am sorry, but there is something you are not getting. I am saying that Naruto's chakra is indeed large, (Naruto on his own, not combined with the Kyuubi is strong) but Naruto's chakra is that large because Naruto and Kurama's chakra has been passively mixing since he was a child. The seal mixes Kurama's chakra with Naruto's and makes Naruto's own chakra pool larger, Naruto's own large chakra pool suppresses Kurama.

I don't think you have even understand my posts.

If Naruto wasn't born with an unusually large amount of chakra Kurama would have broken out right away.

A tailed beast can only be sealed into someone with natural large amounts of chakra, its Naruto's own chakra that keeps Kurama at bay.

If his chakra is large because of Kurama, then Kurama would have already escaped.

This was established by Yamato, and by the constant issue that there aren't many people that can be a Jinchuriki, his mother was chosen because of her strong chakra.

 

[ANiMUS]

So you are ignoring the issue that you need large chakra reserves to contain a tailed beast?

and Naruto has large chakra reserve thanks to the mechanism of the seal.

 

[saw2097]

and Naruto has large chakra reserve thanks to the mechanism of the seal.

Which slowly trickled the chakra over years, if that is how he got large chakra, then do tell how was Kurama contained when Naruto was only a baby.

You are ignoring or not understanding the issue.

IF his large chakra is a result of Kurama, then Kurama would have broken the seal years ago.

 

[MickNerks]

Sasuke without sharingan = fodder

Naruto without kurama = Sage mode + Shikaku + matabi + Isobu + Son Goku + Kokou + Saiken + Isobu + Gyuuki



So.............

 

[shadowcb]

I agree that the 9 tails adds to Naruto's chakra amount, but I disagree to people who say the 9 tails is the reason Naruto has a large amount of chakra. The manga doesn't even tell us how much of the 9 tails chakra was being added to Naruto's chakra. The 9 tails might have only increased Naruto's chakra amount by 5%.

I believe the reason the 4th designed the seal so some of the 9 tails chakra leaks out and combines with Naruto's chakra was to help him get used to handling the 9 tails chakra. The manga stated it takes time for a jinchuriki to learn how to control their tails beast powers. I believe the 4th was preparing and helping Naruto since he knew he wouldn't be their to help him in the future.

During Naruto's sage training when Pa toad told Naruto an individual needs a large amount of chakra to learn Sage mode he never stated the 9 tails was the reason behind Naruto's chakra amount.

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[ANiMUS]

I don't think you have even understand my posts.

If Naruto wasn't born with an unusually large amount of chakra Kurama would have broken out right away.

A tailed beast can only be sealed into someone with natural large amounts of chakra, its Naruto's own chakra that keeps Kurama at bay.

If his chakra is large because of Kurama, then Kurama would have already escaped.

This was established by Yamato.

So Gaara, as small as he was when he was born had large chakra reserves?

As you can see Minato designed the seal that way to protect Naruto, that is why his body could take the burden as a baby

I agree that the 9 tails adds to Naruto's chakra amount, but I disagree to people who say the 9 tails is the reason Naruto has a large amount of chakra. The manga doesn't even tell us how much of the 9 tails chakra was being added to Naruto's chakra. The 9 tails might have only increased Naruto's chakra amount by 5%.

I believe the reason the 4th designed the seal so some of the 9 tails chakra leaks out and combines with Naruto's chakra was to help him get used to handling the 9 tails chakra. The manga stated it takes time for a jinchuriki to learn how to control their tails beast powers. I believe the 4th was preparing and helping Naruto since he knew he wouldn't be their to help him in the future.

During Naruto's sage training when Pa toad told Naruto an individual needs a large amount of chakra to learn Sage mode he never stated the 9 tails was the reason behind Naruto's chakra amount.

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Its the kyuubi dude giving chakra to a baby. Ginkaku and Kinkaku only took a bite and that made them pseudo jinchuurikis

 

[saw2097]

So Gaara, as small as he was when he was born had large chakra reserves?

As you can see Minato designed the seal that way to protect Naruto, that is why his body could take the burden as a baby

Gaara didn't have such a seal but was chosen because he has naturally large amounts of chakra just like Naruto, and you are ignoring the issue.

Jinchuriki are chosen because they have large amounts of chakra, if they didn't the Tailed Beast would break out.

Yamato told Naruto that he is only able to contain Kurama, because he was born with large amounts of chakra.

Seriously read my posts and think, then go read the arc again, and while you are at it read Kushina's flashbacks again.

Honestly, I am really starting to think you are trolling.

 

[Dãrth1]

This became a hot thread
As expected

 

[ANiMUS]

Gaara didn't have such a seal but was chosen because he has naturally large amounts of chakra just like Naruto, and you are ignoring the issue.

Jinchuriki are chosen because they have large amounts of chakra, if they didn't the Tailed Beast would break out.

Yamato told Naruto that he is only able to contain Kurama, because he was born with large amounts of chakra.

Seriously read my posts and think, then go read the arc again, and while you are at it read Kushina's flashbacks again.

Honestly, I am really starting to think you are trolling.

So in other words u believe that Naruto just being born had much more chakra than Minato?

and where does it say that Gaara had large chakra as an infant?

 

[SasukeUchiha910]

I disagree...., sasuke can beat naruto(without karuma) without his eye

 

[saw2097]

So in other words u believe that Naruto just being born had much more chakra than Minato?

Naruto is a member of the Uzumaki clan which is known for having large amounts of chakra.

Its been said several times that a tailed beast can only be contained by someone with large chakra, that's why they have to be careful when they choose the new host.

That's why his mother was chosen as the previous Jinchuriki.

And as I have said several times, Yamato openly said that Naruto was only able to keep the 9 tails at bay because he has large amounts of chakra.

Honestly its not that hard to put it together.

 

[ANiMUS]

Naruto is a member of the Uzumaki clan which is known for having large amounts of chakra.

Its been said several times that a tailed beast can only be contained by someone with large chakra, that's why they have to be careful when they choose the new host.

That's why his mother was chosen as the previous Jinchuriki.

Isn't Kushina's chakra also in Naruto?

 

[saw2097]

Isn't Kushina's chakra also in Naruto?

Only a small amount and it was only there to help him with Kurama when he decided to tame it.

Its not like Minato transferred all her power into Naruto, I am really starting to think you are either trolling, or you skipped two arcs.

 

[CloyEscapade]

Why is everyone so angry today